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Post by Cynincal Shrew on Dec 4, 2004 22:02:30 GMT 1
I've posted all these before, but this is a recap for those of you who might have forgotten.
1/ Access. GM is in the centre of Shrewsbury. To anyone living in the town it is a matter of either a) walking in b) getting a bus in. Supporters from Wem, Telford or Stretton can get the train. There is plenty of car parking next to the Abbey.
NM is on the edge of town, not easy to get to for those coming to Shrewsbury by public transport, and not a feasible walk unless you like busy roads and/or live in Meole Brace. So, everyone will drive to the game which typically will mean 1000+ cars clogging up the bypass every fortnight.
2/ Environment Building NM is 'infilling' to the A5 and adding to the sprawl of Shrewsbury, how soon before the town stretches to the other side of the bypass and on towards Condover? Additionally, the proposed flats on the GM site are of a typical shoddy looking design, and are hardly a solution to the need for reasonably priced family housing.
3/ Pubs/Eats. Discussed elsewhere on this board at the minute. No need to add any more
4/ Tradition. STFC are known as the team who play at a tree lined ground next to the River Severn. From inside the groud one can see: The old RSI, the English Bridge, The Abbey, Severn Bridge Junction signal box, Laura's Tower, The Dana. Where else could one be but Shrewsbury? At the NM we will be indistinguishable from Sc***horpe, Chester and Northampton. Progress?
5/ No need. It's only because the club and council have given up on GM that it is written off. We already have a 4000 seat reasonably modern grandstand. Building a new stand at the Station End with various 'facilities', plus tarting up the Riverside and Wakeman with access through the Abbey Gardens would give us a ground more than sufficient for our needs. The terracing could be reprofiled for easy conversion to seating should we ever reach the Second Division again (fat chance!).
I'm preparing to be flamed and accused of wanting STFC to die...
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Dec 4, 2004 22:03:38 GMT 1
Just worry about things round your way
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 4, 2004 22:35:39 GMT 1
It's going to be built.
That's the answer to all five of your points.
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Post by Norge on Dec 4, 2004 22:57:17 GMT 1
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Post by theriverside on Dec 4, 2004 23:02:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2004 0:26:12 GMT 1
Cynical Shrew - the burning question that you have failed to answer is whether you will be attending the B&A XMAS bash on Sat 18th December?
I'm sure you will - you're not just a jumped up keyboard warrior are you??
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 5, 2004 0:54:08 GMT 1
I wonder, if one of the crane operators had a grandfather who fled the Punjab during the creation of Pakistan would that make our stadium "dirty" and prevent him from coming to games? After all, we would practically be hiding an Al Qaeda Cell in the terraces if that was the case...
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 1:21:29 GMT 1
Funny that when we ask him something he goes quiet, but when we dont say a thing he cant help but pipe up
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Post by Dale on Dec 5, 2004 1:25:11 GMT 1
1/ Access. There will be regular shuttle buses from the town centre, train station and shirehall car park which will be used as a park and ride. Although I think a railway halt should also be built alongside the NM, but it probably will never happen.2/ Environment Building NM is 'infilling' to the A5 and adding to the sprawl of Shrewsbury, how soon before the town stretches to the other side of the bypass and on towards Condover? Will this happen in our lifetime? I can never see it happening in anyone's lifetime to be honest, this aint Telford.3/ Pubs/Eats. Discussed elsewhere on this board at the minute. No need to add any more. I agree that a large social club is desperately needed for the site, but I'll admit I'll miss the chance to visit the chippy or walk into town for a quick bite to eat before the game.4/ Tradition. STFC are known as the team who play at a tree lined ground next to the River Severn. From inside the groud one can see: The old RSI, the English Bridge, The Abbey, Severn Bridge Junction signal box, Laura's Tower, The Dana. Where else could one be but Shrewsbury? At the NM we will be indistinguishable from Sc***horpe, Chester and Northampton. Progress? Well, you have a lovely view of Sharpestone Hill from the NM If the club had £20,000,000 to spare I'm sure they would love to redevelop GM, but they dont, so the NM has to be seen as the next best alternative.5/ No need. It's only because the club and council have given up on GM that it is written off. We already have a 4000 seat reasonably modern grandstand. Building a new stand at the Station End with various 'facilities', plus tarting up the Riverside and Wakeman with access through the Abbey Gardens would give us a ground more than sufficient for our needs. The terracing could be reprofiled for easy conversion to seating should we ever reach the Second Division again (fat chance!). I agree that new, bigger terraces could be built on the Station End and Riverside but the Wakeman End could never be extended and can never be covered, the club wanted to build new turnstiles from the Abbey Gardens in the mid 1990's and were blocked, logically the Wakeman End would best be served as the away end but the police probably wont allow it as it means the home fans would be walking towards the away fans after the game, so a section of home fans would have to stick with standing on a small, uncovered terrace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2004 1:37:33 GMT 1
I agree with points 1 and 3 on a personal level.
It's going to be a bugger for me to get to the new ground and it will result in me going a lot less. But I am sure it will be convenient for a lot more fans.
I like to go and do a bit of shopping, maybe eat, maybe go to a couple of pubs etc before heading to the match. I won't be able to do that in the future.
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Post by somersetshrew on Dec 5, 2004 9:57:02 GMT 1
its ok in you walk to the GM, but often, especially for night matches, I have to go straight to the ground, I get to Shrewsbury about 7:30, and parking then, is a nightmare.
Roll on the NM with a big car park!
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 11:30:37 GMT 1
park at the car park opposite The Abbey, or failing that Netto.
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 11:31:52 GMT 1
park at the car park opposite The Abbey, or failing that Netto.
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Post by salop si on Dec 5, 2004 14:41:06 GMT 1
failing that, there is that street the other side of those bill boards oppisite the turn in for belle view ... behind thoe bill boards are always a few spaces we usually park outside that pub .... and you can walk out passed that motor bike place and onwards to the meadow
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Post by somersetshrew on Dec 5, 2004 14:57:14 GMT 1
I know, Im just saying that is will be easier just to go to a big car park at the place where Im going!
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Post by Guest on Dec 5, 2004 15:04:55 GMT 1
Parking at the New Meadow will be very restricted in terms of who is allowed to use the car park on match days.
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 15:51:09 GMT 1
on street parking
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Post by kickinpretty on Dec 5, 2004 17:26:05 GMT 1
Lets clear one thing up - nobody in their right mind WANTS to leave the Gay Meadow, howevr, we find ourselves in the position we HAVE to move to survive.
Therfore it doesn't matter how many arguments against the move are put up on the messageboard the fact is we are moving - get used to it, what we can do is try and dictate the facilities at the new site so that fans are catered for in a way that actually allows people to justify attending games despite the inconvieniance of the location.
i could personally list at least a hundred reasons against the move, but its totally futile unless i can fund staying at the Gay Meadow, i havn't got a spare £5 million, so move we must.
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Post by Dale on Dec 5, 2004 18:09:31 GMT 1
Lets clear one thing up - nobody in their right mind WANTS to leave the Gay Meadow, howevr, we find ourselves in the position we HAVE to move to survive. My sentiments exactly
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2004 18:19:55 GMT 1
Lets clear one thing up - nobody in their right mind WANTS to leave the Gay Meadow, howevr, we find ourselves in the position we HAVE to move to survive. Therfore it doesn't matter how many arguments against the move are put up on the messageboard the fact is we are moving - get used to it, what we can do is try and dictate the facilities at the new site so that fans are catered for in a way that actually allows people to justify attending games despite the inconvieniance of the location. i could personally list at least a hundred reasons against the move, but its totally futile unless i can fund staying at the Gay Meadow, i havn't got a spare £5 million, so move we must. Very good post Kickin.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Dec 5, 2004 19:47:02 GMT 1
I am sad enough to sit with a photograph of Gay Meadow on my desk at work. I love the place. It will be terrible to leave. But if Town are going to be anything other than a Conference club that might be able to survive in the FL for a brief spell - like a Halifax - we've got to move. This has been totally done to death. A new access through Abbey Gardens will not add one person onto the capacity. There cannot be a 10,000 capacity stadium at Gay Meadow. If we are talking about getting into the Championship then we need 10,000 seats. There is a lot of talk about the tradition of the club. The tradition is being able to emulate the achievement of the past. That is being able to complete in the football league at (the old) third and second division level. It would be a betrayal of our history if we allowed the club to drift into a non-league normality. It that means moving well we must move, even if it means that the old familar match day routine changes.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 5, 2004 20:23:32 GMT 1
>>>what we can do is try and dictate the facilities at the new site so that fans are catered for in a way that actually allows people to justify attending games despite the inconvieniance of the location.<<<
Quite. So get rid of some seats and allow us to stand - I'm sure I'll come along to a lot more games if I can watch them how I want to.
For me I'd rather see money ploughed into that direction than for a large social club that I'm unlikey to use very often. (No doubt I'll get lynched for that remark though)
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Post by scooter on Dec 5, 2004 23:39:25 GMT 1
I know, Im just saying that is will be easier just to go to a big car park at the place where Im going! If there is a crowd of 3500/4000 the new club car park will be full well before kick off (630/650 places ?). Anyone arriving by car with 10/15 mins to go will be parking where ever they can, which will be interesting with SARA going on about the 106 agreement
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Post by CaptainGlassback on Dec 6, 2004 0:02:49 GMT 1
A welcome thread Cynical. You don't need to list the reasons why STFC should not move. I am waiting to hear 1 real reason why STFC should move other than to fill the pockets of dishonest folk. My first reaction to the plans was that Roland Rat would 'fiddle while STFC burned' to such a degree that STFC would be dragged into the Conference by him within 3 years. I was right....except it only took him 2 years! There can only be one set of winners in this dodgy deal and it can't be the STFC fans or the future of the town itself. Why don't The Board disclose the settlors, trustees and beneficiaries of all trusts, (and their locations / IBC numbers), associated with Alaska etc? Why all the secrecy?
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Post by HandsOffMeadowEnjoyment on Dec 6, 2004 0:36:25 GMT 1
A welcome thread Cynical. You don't need to list the reasons why STFC should not move. I am waiting to hear 1 real reason why STFC should move other than to fill the pockets of dishonest folk. My first reaction to the plans was that Roland Rat would 'fiddle while STFC burned' to such a degree that STFC would be dragged into the Conference by him within 3 years. I was right....except it only took him 2 years! There can only be one set of winners in this dodgy deal and it can't be the STFC fans or the future of the town itself. Why don't The Board disclose the settlors, trustees and beneficiaries of all trusts, (and their locations / IBC numbers), associated with Alaska etc? Why all the secrecy? shhhhh! dont give the game away. limited parking for fans. no corners in ground. no terracing. small club shop. small supporters bar. no reductions for cup games.ok we were promised them,whats the odd lie?. poor quality replica kits. less amber no stripes. this new ground shows just how much the club love us. lets hope people dont find out who the riverbank behind the ground is owned by or we could be back to square one.
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Post by rob on Dec 6, 2004 1:43:05 GMT 1
seem to remember prices for Chelsea and Everton remaining the same, as well as some a rather important play-off second leg against Barnet.
All three chances for the club to do the fans over ala Kidderminster and many other lower league clubs, however they kept prices the same.
I've got gripes with parts of the club, however ticketing prices cant be faulted.
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Post by HandsOffMeadowEnjoyment on Dec 6, 2004 2:18:27 GMT 1
seem to remember prices for Chelsea and Everton remaining the same, as well as some a rather important play-off second leg against Barnet. All three chances for the club to do the fans over ala Kidderminster and many other lower league clubs, however they kept prices the same. I've got gripes with parts of the club, however ticketing prices cant be faulted. when we were relegated the board promised reduced prices for lesser games such as the trophy,we have never had this promise fulfilled.one director exscused this by saying that they had to say the right things to keep fans happy. local firms had their advertising boards covered up for the chelsea match and were asked for more money to avoid this.prices for sponsorship were also greatly increased for these games.mike thomas was the only person from the club to explain this to sponsors and the club have repaid him by releasing him from his duties.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 9:34:45 GMT 1
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Dec 6, 2004 10:37:10 GMT 1
cynical shrew
WHEN WILL U GET IT INTO UR THICK HEAD THAT IF WE DONT GET A NEW STADIUM THERE WILL BE NO SHREWSBURY TOWN. IT IS THAT SIMPLE
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Post by McKie on Dec 6, 2004 11:31:46 GMT 1
It may also encourage a better standard of player to come to us. We have a good manager (now) and if we can get to a decent position, the chances of getting better quality players when you have better facilities is improved. I don't want to leave the meadow, but it is pretty important that a team has somewhere to play. As for people saying they like to have something to eat before the match and do some shopping, do that and then get the bus. A 15 minute journey is not a chore. They have to make sure there are plenty of buses for all 10,000 of the fans
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