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Post by shrewforever on Dec 7, 2004 23:05:14 GMT 1
the negativity.......
Been going down The Meadow though for over 40 years and its never been much different,I sometimes wonder if the people of Shrewsbury deserve a Football Club.
Give the man a break,Christ we have a poor squad we all know that,and its going to take weeks to change this around.Quinn and Cooke were the worst thing to happen to STFC in my opinion in all the years I can remember,rejoice they have gone and we have a new start.
When GP brings in abit of quality,which I'm sure he will,it'll turn.Supporting a Club is about just that SUPPORTING IT.
Glad I wasnt there in a way with all the moaning I've been hearing about.
Anyway saw Cambridge lose 2-1 and it should have been 7-1 apart from some dreadful finishing.U's were absolutely clueless,and a complete and utter shambles, if they finish above us we'll have to swallow hard because we will deserve to be back in The Conference.
Onwards and upwards..........long battle ahead and it may go right up to the wire but we'll get there have some bloody faith........
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Post by DiggerDave on Dec 7, 2004 23:09:03 GMT 1
Hardly anybody has mentioned GP. Its the players that aren t good enough ,simple as.If you ve been going for 40 years you must recognise the crap thats being served up.Come on ,don t be so easily satisfied.Tell yourself you deserve better than this
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Post by get over yourself on Dec 7, 2004 23:10:55 GMT 1
i only seem to be reading posts about the lack of passion and application from certain players and as a supporter surely the least you can expect is for the players too look like they want it. i've not read any sl*gging of gp. surely as a supporter you are allowed to have an opionion on that without the thought police coming to 'mend' you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2004 23:12:15 GMT 1
I've got to agree with Dave. It's quite clear the players are the ones who are getting the flack. Has anybody said a bad word about GP?
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Post by john on Dec 7, 2004 23:15:36 GMT 1
Have to say the atmosphere wasnt great tonight, it was a bit stale...an early goal or more away fans would of changed that. There wasnt a great of stick nothing more than normal.
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Post by still not impressed on Dec 7, 2004 23:19:06 GMT 1
the negativity....... Give the man a break,Christ we have a poor squad we all know that,and its going to take weeks to change this around.Quinn and Cooke were the worst thing to happen to STFC in my opinion in all the years I can remember,rejoice they have gone and we have a new start. ...... Thought that was Ratcliffe..... then again some still say its Jake Kings fault...
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Post by shrewforever on Dec 7, 2004 23:20:30 GMT 1
Take you're point about not having a go at GP,fair enough but if you read what I said about the players I said we have a poor squad.
They are'nt good enough we all know that and hopefully GP will change things.
My point is,if its too difficult for you all to grasp,IS WHAT IS THE FECKING POINT OF MOANING ABOUT IT.
We were right to moan about it under JQ and I believe it had a part in him leaving.No I'm not satisfied either but I'm realistic enough to understand one thing.....
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE IT TIME FOR THINGS TO HOPEFULLY GET BETTER.
Rant over ,but for Christs sake what is the point of moaning about a squad EVERYBODY KNOWS IS SUB STANDARD WHEN THE NEW MANAGER CANT EVEN GET THEIR NAMES RIGHT YET.........................JESUS.
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Post by because on Dec 7, 2004 23:27:23 GMT 1
all we can do is moan. especially when you know some of the players are better than they're showing. should i tell my boss to not moan about my work when i 'go crap' for a couple of months?
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Post by pawlo on Dec 7, 2004 23:28:28 GMT 1
Have to say the atmosphere wasnt great tonight, it was a bit stale...an early goal or more away fans would of changed that. There wasnt a great of stick nothing more than normal. My Son remarked on the lack of atmos, it wasnt very inspiring though realy. By half time we where bored stiff.
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Post by texmexshrew on Dec 7, 2004 23:52:28 GMT 1
Have to say the atmosphere wasnt great tonight, it was a bit stale...an early goal or more away fans would of changed that. There wasnt a great of stick nothing more than normal. should that have a bearing on the performance of individuals or as a collective unit though? they have been off for 10days, so should be fresh energized, and have been working on game situations : also should be looking to impress the new management considering the number of players out of contract at seasons end.
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Post by timgallon on Dec 8, 2004 0:03:54 GMT 1
should that have a bearing on the performance of individuals or as a collective unit though? they have been off for 10days, so should be fresh energized, and have been working on game situations : also should be looking to impress the new management considering the number of players out of contract at seasons end. exactly Dom i expected alot more passion from the team as shown against Swansea. for me tongiht was like a return to the Jake King era
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 8, 2004 2:05:40 GMT 1
It was a dull game, and there was little to shout about
I don;t think that is too negative, essentially we have surrendered too points to a decent hard working but not overly impressive team
we are struggling
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Post by mattsnappernli on Dec 8, 2004 3:18:30 GMT 1
the players cant cut it in this league - i love gary peters
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 10:05:28 GMT 1
First half yesterday I'd say we were the better team. If we'd have scored we could have easily gone on to win the game.
Rochdale controlled the game second half but still only had three decent chances all game, they're on a 5 match winning streak - did people expect us to steam roll them?
The reaction of the fans at the match yesterday was truely shocking. Call yourselves supporters? - well get behind the team and for gods sake start supporting the lads. (that may sound harsh - sorry if people are offended by it).
I lost count of the number of times someone said "watch out he'll muck this up" or "we'll bugger up this attack, I just know it".
Come on Town fans one and all, get behind the team. We know some of the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be but Peters will sort this out with time - don't expect any miracles just yet but in the mean time show your true colours and back the lads 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 10:12:19 GMT 1
First half yesterday I'd say we were the better team. If we'd have scored we could have easily gone on to win the game. Rochdale controlled the game second half but still only had three decent chances all game, they're on a 5 match winning streak - did people expect us to steam roll them? The reaction of the fans at the match yesterday was truely shocking. Call yourselves supporters? - well get behind the team and for gods sake start supporting the lads. (that may sound harsh - sorry if people are offended by it). I lost count of the number of times someone said "watch out he'll muck this up" or "we'll bugger up this attack, I just know it". Come on Town fans one and all, get behind the team. We know some of the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be but Peters will sort this out with time - don't expect any miracles just yet but in the mean time show your true colours and back the lads 100%. Floreat SalopiaThat's right Phil. At Histon, the lack of effort by the players was distrurbing. I cannot say the same about last night. Gary Peters came here promising that we would be organised, hard-working and get crosses in the box. He has made a hell of a start on getting us to do that. The next stage is to get people scoring goals.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 8, 2004 10:13:46 GMT 1
Peters knows some players are not good enough and so do we
Get behind the lads and it will be ok isn't the answer
voice your approval of what is good
voice your disapproval of what is not good
The problem is last night the atmosphere never got going so when everything went wrong people were a bit grumpy
a 4th defeat in 5 games hurt, and people are a bit down about it, and "come on everyone support the lads or you aren't a true supporter" is not going to change my mind
If I wasn;t a true supporter it wouldn;t hurt so much
I back Gary Peters 100%, but 4 defeats in 5 take its toll on even the most positive people
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Post by Minor on Dec 8, 2004 11:38:51 GMT 1
Peters knows some players are not good enough and so do we Get behind the lads and it will be ok isn't the answer voice your approval of what is good voice your disapproval of what is not good The problem is last night the atmosphere never got going so when everything went wrong people were a bit grumpy a 4th defeat in 5 games hurt, and people are a bit down about it, and "come on everyone support the lads or you aren't a true supporter" is not going to change my mind If I wasn;t a true supporter it wouldn;t hurt so much I back Gary Peters 100%, but 4 defeats in 5 take its toll on even the most positive people If we were not TRUE supporters we would not have travelled 50 mile round trip spent £12 admission, £2.50 on a prog & £5 on food /drink at ripoffalot buffet, people must realise that just because we say negative things does not mean we are any less loyal than any other supporter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:16:06 GMT 1
If we were not TRUE supporters we would not have travelled 50 mile round trip spent £12 admission, £2.50 on a prog & £5 on food /drink at ripoffalot buffet, people must realise that just because we say negative things does not mean we are any less loyal than any other supporter Not at all, but I would encourage everyone to create a positive atmosphere at the Meadow over the next few games. PS Surely spending £5 at the buffet just makes you hungry rather than a loyal supporter?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:16:33 GMT 1
Fair enough point Minor.
However I personally think that if you're going to be a supporter of a team you should support them all you can when they are playing on the pitch. It anoys me when 'supporters' are giving players grief during the game.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 8, 2004 12:29:41 GMT 1
Minor feel free to express what ever feeling you have at the meadow be they positive or not - i am a firm beliver that it makes no difference and the crowd only turns on the team when they are treated to crap like last night
And Phill are you saying that by getting on a players back you are less of a supporter than if you just blindley accept rubbish??? I dont get you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:31:48 GMT 1
Minor feel free to express what ever feeling you have at the meadow be they positive or not - i am a firm beliver that it makes no difference and the crowd only turns on the team when they are treated to cr@p like last night And Phill are you saying that by getting on a players back you are less of a supporter than if you just blindley accept rubbish??? I dont get you? Who's blindly accepting rubbish? Read Gary Peters comments. He has asked us to get behind the team. We did in at Swansea and Sc***horpe. Last night we failed the team.
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Post by Minor on Dec 8, 2004 12:32:09 GMT 1
PS Surely spending £5 at the buffet just makes you hungry rather than a loyal supporter? True , but if people didn't use it then no doubt we would lose it
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Post by Lufbra Salop on Dec 8, 2004 12:32:40 GMT 1
"If you ve been going for 40 years you must recognise the cr@p thats being served up.Come on ,don t be so easily satisfied.Tell yourself you deserve better than this "
This must be the most typical debate on this board (the footballing chicken (support) and egg (performance)) and frankly im just about sick of it!
Firstly refering to the comment ive quoted above, why do you deserve better? If 3-4,000 of you turn up and moan for 90 minutes how do you deserve more than a support of even 1000 that cheer on their team whatever? We have a poor team, not much money and are in the bottom half of the table in terms of attendances, again, why do we deserve better?
We would deserve better if we had the best supporters or best players in the league but this debate has just proved the point, we dont have either.
I had a feeling this might happen though, Gary Peters comes in and attempts to lift the gloom by encoraging a hostile atmosphere, the supporters hopes and expectations are lifted (too high maybe) and then people turn up just expecting it to happen.
Did this happen at Preston and Exeter, i doubt it! Was that a major factor in them staying up? according to Peters, undoubtably.
You have to increase your support either vocally or numerically to deserve anything better. Just paying the money at the gate doesnt give you the right to expect to beat teams that have a higher incomes, a better team or a more vocal support!
Im sure we were all down after last night but you must leave that at the gate every time you turn up because this negativity, i think we are all agreed, will do us no good on matchdays!
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Post by Minor on Dec 8, 2004 12:35:13 GMT 1
Fair enough point Minor. However I personally think that if you're going to be a supporter of a team you should support them all you can when they are playing on the pitch. It anoys me when 'supporters' are giving players grief during the game. Which is why I did not open my mouth once during last nights game, mind you it was probably because i was so stunned by the mediocrity of the fare on display, on what I have seen this season I'm afraid the 3 visits i have made to the Maesydre to watch Welshpool in Leagoe of Wales action have been far more enjoyable and only £5 inc. programme.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:39:17 GMT 1
I thought it was a fiver to get into Welshpool now? Are you stealing programmes?.........
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 8, 2004 12:41:57 GMT 1
Who's blindly accepting rubbish? Read Gary Peters comments. He has asked us to get behind the team. We did in at Swansea and Sc***horpe. Last night we failed the team. Come On - your kidding right Its the other way round - they failed us!!!!!!!! Peter is kidding him self if he thinks were going to get Swaseas like atmos every week - IT will never happen (unless we start playing brilliant football) If he thinks that its as easy as getting the crowd on side were in trouble - hes more work to do and he has do something to get the crowds up - like an expected point at least against a team like Dale. Sorry but im all for backing the team up untill they start playing cr@p - i only got really angry at 2-0 cos at times were doing ok But im not going overbaord - last night was quite a big set back and we got lucky with the kiddy cambridge results - but this weekend Chester are going to want to hammer us and if they do and we play bad and anyone around us picks points up were in trouble!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2004 12:46:17 GMT 1
I'm not disputing that the side were poor in the last 3rd last night.
However, if come the New Year and we're bottom I'd love to be able to say that at least the fans gave it their all.
Booing at games isn't helping. Simple as.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 8, 2004 12:48:18 GMT 1
I'm not disputing that the side were poor in the last 3rd last night. However, if come the New Year and we're bottom I'd love to be able to say that at least the fans gave it their all. Booing at games isn't helping. Simple as. But apparently nor is cheering???
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Post by pawlo on Dec 8, 2004 12:49:20 GMT 1
should i tell my boss to not moan about my work when i 'go cr@p' for a couple of months? Of coarse not, tell him to blame the customers for not rallying behind you, tell him he needs to get more of an atmosphere inside your workplace, tell him that you will perform much better if the customers never complain about the service you provide, just blindly support you.
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Post by Lufbra Salop on Dec 8, 2004 12:52:27 GMT 1
Has it occured to you Pricey that we are crap period and that maybe all we can expect at the moment is the players trying their best (which i dont think has been questioned).
Hell, if they work hard and do their best i'll cheer them on anyday but that doesnt always convert into great performances and results. If your waiting for a performance I think you might be waiting a while, maybe until the conference!
If they are doing their best, in what way does moaning help?
(P.S. you can do it on here all you like, in the ground is my beef)
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