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Post by dachs on Nov 28, 2004 0:36:36 GMT 1
I read the Mail and the Telegraph. Cheers for pigeon-holing me. Don't be silly.
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Post by siabod on Nov 28, 2004 1:12:04 GMT 1
Welsh Shrew, you think you have problems, I read the Mail and Telegraph AND I'm old.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 11:24:16 GMT 1
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Nov 28, 2004 12:22:20 GMT 1
Can't see the need to delete it, it's not offensive as such as it is trying to explain why racism is so prevelent in football. It's a view that obvioulsy many dont agree with but its a view nevertheless. Isint controlling free speech a part of facism?? Thanks Tim. But in amongst all sorts of self-righteous tosh has no-one explained to me how else your average whiteworkingclassmale can protest at the changes in his neighbourhood that he doesn't like (notwithstanding that turning while swathes of English towns into Asian ghettoes can only be a postitive thing and these people are just to thick to see it). Barcelona, Bilbao and Celtic fans (amongst others) have been known to make... ..ermm.., 'political' protest at the game so why is their's acceptable but those of a Port Vale fan not? Of course, racism is present at football, but in a different form to the endless 'kick it out' propoganda, part of a widespread cultural drive of "hey whitey! feel guilty for past sins real or imaginary, and don't even think about standing up for yourself". Blacks (2-3% of UK population at most) are massively over-represented in soccer, even allowing for racial characteristic and sociological factors. To the extent that any club that does not feature a black player is regarded as highly suspect. Meanwhile, there is not ONE asian professional footballer. Why no fuss? Because the 'kick it out' campaign doesn't really give a toss about ethnics and exists for reasons explained above. Re Spain. Blacks have played in the Spanish league for decades and such chanting is rarely heard. The chants were a response to the ridiculous overreaction to an off the cuff remark by the Spanish manager. Plus Spain is starting to become more 'diverse' and 'vibrant', and maybe some Spaniards decided that a football stadium is a good place to make a vocal protest at this!
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Nov 28, 2004 12:23:29 GMT 1
Sir! Sir! SIR! I bet you were popular at school!
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Post by God on Nov 28, 2004 12:32:32 GMT 1
Where were you in Church this morning cynical I needed a word
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Nov 28, 2004 12:42:06 GMT 1
Where were you in Church this morning cynical I needed a word Sorry God, I was kept awake half the night by an ill child so slept in this morning. But, being omniscient you knew that already. I hope to see you later on at Evensong, but being omnipresent you know that too. PS You (the Holy Spirit) really need to shake a leg to get the Vatican, General Synod etc. to include something about 'racism, sexism and homophobia in the Creed'. Anyone would think that being a Christian is about belief in the Trinity...
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Nov 28, 2004 13:16:32 GMT 1
Thanks Tim. But in amongst all sorts of self-righteous tosh has no-one explained to me how else your average whiteworkingclassmale can protest at the changes in his neighbourhood that he doesn't like The ballot box, perhaps? Although I'm not too sure, how fond the extremist parties are voting - 'cause they are usually stuffed Hope the child is feeling better.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Nov 28, 2004 13:27:42 GMT 1
The ballot box, perhaps? Although I'm not too sure, how fond the extremist parties are voting - 'cause they are usually stuffed Hope the child is feeling better. Not a lot of 'choice' at the ballot box, although that is improving slowly. Participation in electoral politics is generally by the more cognitively able (turnout is always lowest in 'inner-city' wards. The BNP got 52% in a council election in Dagenham recently and not too far from Salop, a certain Wolves legend is happy to pose with Councillor Edwards from Wombourne, so perhaps things are changing. Much better thanks. Although the psychological scars of having a 'racist' father will never heal.
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Post by rob on Nov 28, 2004 13:36:24 GMT 1
Fail to see how white working class males are having their livelehoods taken away from them???
Can't see a former factory working suddenly becoming a doctor or teacher, because reguardless of the ethnic minorities recruited from abroad to work within the NHS and also teach, the wroking class male would still not have the required qualifications to apply or take up such a job.
You talk of white working class males being oppressed by the elite. Well the vast majority of the government, councillors and chief executives are white middle aged men.
Cant blame the darkies for that can you?
The fact is there will always be people at the bottom of the pile.
Why dont you answer Amy123s post? Or can you not argue against it?
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Post by Chris J on Nov 28, 2004 15:11:41 GMT 1
Thanks Tim. But in amongst all sorts of self-righteous tosh has no-one explained to me how else your average whiteworkingclassmale can protest at the changes in his neighbourhood that he doesn't like (notwithstanding that turning while swathes of English towns into Asian ghettoes can only be a postitive thing and these people are just to thick to see it). Barcelona, Bilbao and Celtic fans (amongst others) have been known to make... ..ermm.., 'political' protest at the game so why is their's acceptable but those of a Port Vale fan not? Of course, racism is present at football, but in a different form to the endless 'kick it out' propoganda, part of a widespread cultural drive of "hey whitey! feel guilty for past sins real or imaginary, and don't even think about standing up for yourself". Blacks (2-3% of UK population at most) are massively over-represented in soccer, even allowing for racial characteristic and sociological factors. To the extent that any club that does not feature a black player is regarded as highly suspect. Meanwhile, there is not ONE asian professional footballer. Why no fuss? Because the 'kick it out' campaign doesn't really give a toss about ethnics and exists for reasons explained above. Re Spain. Blacks have played in the Spanish league for decades and such chanting is rarely heard. The chants were a response to the ridiculous overreaction to an off the cuff remark by the Spanish manager. Plus Spain is starting to become more 'diverse' and 'vibrant', and maybe some Spaniards decided that a football stadium is a good place to make a vocal protest at this! 1. Not self-righteous; just loathe fascist scum like you. 2.There have been numerous campaigns and initiatives aimed at righting the under-representation of Asians in football, you're just not aware of them because they don't suit your prejudices. 3. Racist abuse is NOT uncommon in Spain. 4. Racism is not just the same as any other political protest and your saying so won't make it true. 5. You often ask to be directed to any racist post you have made; well referring to people who aren't white as 'ethnics' kind of gives the game away, doesn't it. As for joking about the scars left on your child by having a racist parent, don't kid yourself; there will be damage, you are raising a kid in a poor environment and they will either grow up to be as morally stunted as you are, or despise you for what you are. Now **** off.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 28, 2004 15:51:59 GMT 1
Sir! Sir! SIR! I bet you were popular at school! excuse the pun but now its the pot calling the kettle black
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Post by pawlo on Nov 28, 2004 16:47:59 GMT 1
Although i think you are a complete prick cynical shrew, and have nothing but contempt for you and your pathetic views, i would like to ask a question.
If you where woken at 3 in the morning in excruciating pain from say, a ruptured appendix, you went to hospital and the doctor treating you is an Asian, would you go home and wait until a white anglo saxon is available or not.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Nov 30, 2004 22:34:54 GMT 1
Although i think you are a complete prick cynical shrew, and have nothing but contempt for you and your pathetic views, i would like to ask a question. If you where woken at 3 in the morning in excruciating pain from say, a ruptured appendix, you went to hospital and the doctor treating you is an Asian, would you go home and wait until a white anglo saxon is available or not. It's always this one, else it's the 'have you ever had a curry' question. Yes I agree with you We must be grateful for the ways that centuries of painstaking research by our brown cousins in advancing the cause of medicine and eliminating disease. We are ever indebted to these people, who have eliminated childhood disease in our impoverished nations. Whitey is incapable of practicing medicine, especially white men, as thousands of young English chaps with straight As are turned away from medical schools each year will tell you.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 30, 2004 23:00:16 GMT 1
my guess is he would be trying to jump the queue and would be shouting and complaining that he pays taxes and wants treatment now along with a few racist views thrown in
i'm not wrong am i ?
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Post by pawlo on Nov 30, 2004 23:26:27 GMT 1
Whitey is incapable of practicing medicine, especially white men, as thousands of young English chaps with straight As are turned away from medical schools each year will tell you. Just answer the question dick head. Would you refuse to be treated and go home or not. If your asked this question so often, even someone as thick as you must have thought of an answer by now. Name me one white chap turned away from university who has straight As and wants to study medicine. People like you give the working classes a bad name. Thing is, most descent working class people would spit on someone with views like yours. Personally I wouldnt, i would find it much more satisfying to p**s on you.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 30, 2004 23:36:48 GMT 1
Just answer the question dick head. Would you refuse to be treated and go home or not. If your asked this question so often, even someone as thick as you must have thought of an answer by now. Name me one white chap turned away from university who has straight As and wants to study medicine. People like you give the working classes a bad name. Thing is, most descent working class people would spit on someone with views like yours. Personally I wouldnt, i would find it much more satisfying to p**s on you. i dread to think what this bloke would do to him
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Post by rob on Dec 1, 2004 0:35:07 GMT 1
i though t our "brown cousins" mostly born and raised in this country were "british" (if you can seriously be such a thing) therefore they are entitled to free healthcare, free education (upto 18) driving license etc.... As for those horrible foreigners that come over to study in this country, if anything they are helping to prop up the universities, who blatently rip them off in attempt to help cover the costs that "aren't" being paid by people like me ( the students) or more preferably the government (meaning you guys ) As ever cynical shrew, when asked a pertinant question you avoid it, and go off on an irrelevent rant (which i've now made rellevent by replying too)
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Post by cyclical shrews on Dec 1, 2004 6:10:38 GMT 1
I think mass immigration has been a very good thing for the UK, if you disagree you are of course entitled to your view.
However, screaming abuse at black footballers is not going to change anything, and most football fans do not want the game they love to be used as a platform for this type of "political protest."
To get back to "pre-1945 Britain" you have two electoral options. The BNP advocate "voluntary repatriation" of non-whites, and they reckon that most will take up this offer. If this is a little "soft" for you, you could always check out the National Front who would "send home" all non-whites and any mixed race children - no exceptions.
Both parties are always looking for candidates, maybe you could put yourself up in Shrewsbury to test the depth of support for your views.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Dec 4, 2004 21:27:20 GMT 1
Just answer the question dick head. Would you refuse to be treated and go home or not. If your asked this question so often, even someone as thick as you must have thought of an answer by now. Name me one white chap turned away from university who has straight As and wants to study medicine. People like you give the working classes a bad name. Thing is, most descent working class people would spit on someone with views like yours. Personally I wouldnt, i would find it much more satisfying to p**s on you. Leaving aside your alarming prediliction for (homosexual?) watersports , you seem to be alarmingly rattled by my answer to this, the oldest 'anti-racist' effort at fools-mate in the book. You should raise your horizons above schoolboy efforts of cheap point-scoring, and ask is it ridulous to suppose that it would be perfectly easy to obtain medical treatment without - and lets be conservative here - 5-6 million foreigners in the country with goodness knows how many more to come. And if you think competition for places in medical isn't intense, you are living in another world! I wonder why the paper keeps running ads for potential medical students to study overseas, at the University of the West Indies and elsewhere?
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Post by shrewinjapan on Dec 4, 2004 22:25:45 GMT 1
Although there may well be millions of foreigners in the country there are also millions of Brits in other countries (Myself, TexMex, CuyahogaBlue, Bazeus, Stuttgarter, Aleix's Dad, McKie for a few examples off here). So the argument that all these foreigners are depriving people of jobs/medical care is lame. That's not to mention that half the people you would probably deem "foreign" were born and raised in the UK. Going by your loathesome view of things I should probably by kicked out of Japan and repatriated to England, leaving my wife here, and presumably our daughter in limbo somewhere over Siberia since she doesn't really belong in either country - or perhaps you would suggest she doesn't even deserve to live?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Dec 4, 2004 22:44:47 GMT 1
Although there may well be millions of foreigners in the country there are also millions of Brits in other countries (Myself, TexMex, CuyahogaBlue, Bazeus, Stuttgarter, Aleix's Dad, McKie for a few examples off here). So the argument that all these foreigners are depriving people of jobs/medical care is lame. That's not to mention that half the people you would probably deem "foreign" were born and raised in the UK. Going by your loathesome view of things I should probably by kicked out of Japan and repatriated to England, leaving my wife here, and presumably our daughter in limbo somewhere over Siberia since she doesn't really belong in either country - or perhaps you would suggest she doesn't even deserve to live? Strange how one resident in Japan (a country where tiny numbers of Koreans and Chinese are viewed as suspect_ would be blind to the benefits of mono-ethnic socities. Although the NWO is today pressuring Japan to take in immigrants to counter low birth rates and the like.
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Post by Chris J on Dec 4, 2004 23:02:32 GMT 1
You should raise your horizons above schoolboy efforts of cheap point-scoring, and ask is it ridulous to suppose that it would be perfectly easy to obtain medical treatment without - and lets be conservative here - 5-6 million foreigners in the country with goodness knows how many more to come. Might be hard without the contribution they make the economy. You people always try to portray 'immigrants' (by which you mean anyone not included in your nasty little set, including many people born in this country) as net takers. In fact just about every economist, not a notably liberal gang, will tell you immigration has a vitalising effect on the economy. So in fact not so much ridiculous as disingenuous. But put all this bulls**t aside; if you had a shred of intellectual honesty (as a fascist such a concept will be completely alien to you) you would have to admit that all this crap you write is simply an attempt to justify your hatred for those whose skin is a different colour to yours. Having said that, I've decided I quite like having you around. I always worry that fascism's best hope is that the rest of society becomes complacent about its threat. The s**te you write is never liable to actually recruit anyone to your cause but does act as a useful reminder of where you end up once you start believing in racial supremacy. You're a sort of unfunny Alf Garnet.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Dec 4, 2004 23:15:55 GMT 1
Might be hard without the contribution they make the economy. You people always try to portray 'immigrants' (by which you mean anyone not included in your nasty little set, including many people born in this country) as net takers. In fact just about every economist, not a notably liberal gang, will tell you immigration has a vitalising effect on the economy. So in fact not so much ridiculous as disingenuous. But put all this bullsh!t aside; if you had a shred of intellectual honesty (as a fascist such a concept will be completely alien to you) you would have to admit that all this cr@p you write is simply an attempt to justify your hatred for those whose skin is a different colour to yours. Having said that, I've decided I quite like having you around. I always worry that fascism's best hope is that the rest of society becomes complacent about its threat. The sh!te you write is never liable to actually recruit anyone to your cause but does act as a useful reminder of where you end up once you start believing in racial supremacy. You're a sort of unfunny Alf Garnet. Fascism was the ideology of the government of Italy between 1923-1944. It's days were numbered when it's prime mover was hung upside-down from a garage forecourt with his mistress, sixty years ago. I'd love to see my posts where I proclaim racial supremacy, such a philosophy would be ludicrous. You can prove what you like with statistics, but according to the government's own propoganda immigrants contribute a net of £2bn pa to the UK economy. Leaving aside any qualms about methodolgy, this sounds impressive, no? Until you do the sums, and realise that it is less than £1 a week for every man, woman and child. Not really worth losing your country for, is it?
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Post by Chris J on Dec 4, 2004 23:40:09 GMT 1
Fascism was the ideology of the government of Italy between 1923-1944. It's days were numbered when it's prime mover was hung upside-down from a garage forecourt with his mistress, sixty years ago. I'd love to see my posts where I proclaim racial supremacy, such a philosophy would be ludicrous. You can prove what you like with statistics, but according to the government's own propoganda immigrants contribute a net of £2bn pa to the UK economy. Leaving aside any qualms about methodolgy, this sounds impressive, no? Until you do the sums, and realise that it is less than £1 a week for every man, woman and child. Not really worth losing your country for, is it? 1. Been on Google again have we? I don't think you're qualified to give lessons on political history; if you actually knew anything about it you'd know where your poison leads. 2. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... 3.There you go again Alf! Who is losing whose country? I don't have one to lose. Not sure how being treated by a 'foreign' doctor constitutes losing it if I did. This whole 'fatherland' thing is the key to your psychology isn't it? "Ein Volk, ein Reich"and all that. 4. I wouldn't believe government propoganda if I were you, you'll end up looking stupid. Oh, wait a sec... 5. So we can finally agree on something; your philosophy is ridiculous. 6. Are you actually going to answer my point about intellectual honesty? Naaah. Thought not. 7. Racist 8. Liar
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 5, 2004 0:51:20 GMT 1
Every sentence uttered by Cynical Shrew is another nail in the coffin for racism
A few long words and a couple of stats ripped off the 2001 census won't sway opinion here
For all its disguises and moral high ground what Cynical Shrew is saying is that to be British you have to be white.
I wonder if CS has ever thought about the amount of Indians who died for King and Country in WW1?
No, didn't think so
The BNP will always use this tactic, take a few middle of the road stats and make them prove something that simply is not true to hide their fascist agenda.
The BNP sent me a leaflet just before the last elections aying "Asylum Bombers" were entering the country.
No, they are asylum seekers, and are very different from terrorists. Just like when I go on Holiday I am a holiday maker not a holiday bomber. Some terrorists may use the same method of entering the country but it doesn't make me the same thing.
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 1:19:27 GMT 1
Still failed to give an adequat response to this post?
are you ever going to bother, or will you just change the direction of your rant everytime you run out of rheteric???
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Post by pawlo on Dec 5, 2004 15:52:29 GMT 1
Leaving aside your alarming prediliction for (homosexual?) watersports , you seem to be alarmingly rattled by my answer to this, the oldest 'anti-racist' effort at fools-mate in the book. Im not Gay, that was just an unfortunate choice of phrase. ( Out of curiousity, is that another section of our society that you hate?) Answer my question and i will answer yours. My father was an immigrant from eastern europe, would you have him deported? Why dont you buy a soap box and spread you message in the middle of Wolverhampton?
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Post by rob on Dec 5, 2004 16:40:52 GMT 1
or failing that, Tipton, after all three or so members of the community were held by the americans for "committing" acts of terrorism, or for just being the wrong colour on in the wrong country at the wrong time
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Post by CYnical Shrew on Dec 6, 2004 21:02:59 GMT 1
or failing that, Tipton, after all three or so members of the community were held by the americans for "committing" acts of terrorism, or for just being the wrong colour on in the wrong country at the wrong time Tipton is the stomping ground of Steve Edward's, of the Freedom Party whose South Staffs councillor is backed by none other than Steve Bull! Unfortunately alleged massive electoral fraud denied Steve a council seat in June. www.freedompartyuk.net
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