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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 14:31:18 GMT 1
From today in Ireland smoking is banned in many public places/ establishments.
Do people think this is a good idea or not?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 14:38:11 GMT 1
I hate going down the pub to come back stinking of smoke - it happens even when not in the company of smokers.
However, by banning smoking it may effect the social aspects of going down the pub or to other places. What, if any effects would there be on the economy?
I'm personally in favour for following Ireland's lead
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Post by robspaceman1 on Mar 29, 2004 14:46:20 GMT 1
i think its unworkable in rural ireland and will be largely ignored.
as someone who only fancies a fag when i've got a beer in my hand, this kind of thing would make me cut down to nearly zero. good idea because even buying just 20 a week is £5 i could have spent on something more worthwhile.
banning it entirely is pretty draconian. however i reckon as long as there are designated places with decent ventilation for people to smoke, that is sufficient. therefore you'd probably have to ban smoking in clubs since everyone is mixing on the dancefloor, but in a pub you can easily cordon off an area.
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 15:09:58 GMT 1
Once again, smokers are treated like second-class citizens, because we are legitimised drug-users. If you want us to stop smoking, why not just start a bloody prohibition! Why is it okay to drink in a pub (another legal drug, which has a HIGHER age limit, and can still be advertised WITHOUT massive health warnings plastered over it!), but not smoke in it? Will we end up like Mega-City One (Hello old 2000AD fans! ) , with a single "smokatorium" in each town and city, where we are allowed to light up? By all means, provide an exclusive non-smoking area IF premises allow for it, but if not possible, don't force us out into a back alley for a "fix". What next? allowing kids into the bar? I ask you....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 15:15:19 GMT 1
Why is it okay to drink in a pub (another legal drug, which has a HIGHER age limit, and can still be advertised WITHOUT massive health warnings plastered over it!), but not smoke in it? Drinking doesn't make other people's clothes smell or cause them illness thanks to second hand smoke. I respect the fact that it is a persons personal choice to smoke, so why should non-smokers be affected by it?
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 15:21:04 GMT 1
Drinking doesn't make other people's clothes smell or cause them illness thanks to second hand smoke. No, but I'm sure there are less smoke-driving related fatalities and injuries in the UK than there are caused by drink.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 15:23:01 GMT 1
I;m sure there are, but the issue here isn't about that - it's about smoking in pubs, restaurants and other public places
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 15:27:24 GMT 1
Indeed it is, so we won't include health issues at all in that case, to be fair.
so, what was wrong with having non-smoking areas? perhaps even separate rooms?
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Post by x emz x on Mar 29, 2004 15:29:35 GMT 1
to be honest, as a smoker i would not like it to be banned in pubs n restaurants etc for the main reasn that u go there 2 socialise with mates etc. Not being able 2 smoke in there does have a a negative effect on non-smokers as they are within a smokin environment and passive smokin is quite harmful. But if they dont like that then they shouldnt go in there....and they may say " well we shouldnt have 2 b forced out coz of the smokers" but there again why must us smokers have 2 go to other places because we cant smoke in there?! its a bit of a no win situation if you ask me but theres always gonna b differences of opinion on this but i spose if it happens it happens but i would prefer it if it didnt-if u catch my drift
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 15:30:59 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 15:37:25 GMT 1
To add my two pence worth, I do think smoking is a horrible, disgusting habit and yes, it's horrible to go into a pub for a drink with mates and come out smelling like shíte.
However I do understand the point of view of the smoker too; I'm sure largely in rural Ireland, as Rob says above, the new ruiling will be ignored.
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Post by x emz x on Mar 29, 2004 15:38:35 GMT 1
hehe...i just think that non-smokers seem to think that they have a right not to be amongst smokers but maybe they do or woteva but if they dont wanna b there dont b there!!!! sorry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 15:39:52 GMT 1
Maybe we could add a £2 a packet 'smoking in public places' tax eh Ema ;D
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Post by x emz x on Mar 29, 2004 15:49:31 GMT 1
haha no co thats then sayin all smokers have 2 pay for the right 2 do so which is wrong because smokers like non-smokers have the right to live their life the way they want!!!and they shouldnt have 2 pussy-foot around the non-smokers coz they dont like it -wheres mum when ya need her she'd back me up here!!!
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 15:52:05 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 16:00:02 GMT 1
Don't worry Ema was just replying to your ' ' comment But just to reply to your latest thought - should non-smokers have to pussy foot around just to avoid smokers?
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Post by petetheloon on Mar 29, 2004 16:10:41 GMT 1
Banning smoking in public places is a bit much.
As many people know I have an on off smoking habit. but a complete ban in public seems a bit harsh. But then again my on off smoking habit would be solved as I never smoke at home or work.
As with anything there are pro's and cons and it needs to be thought out before it is implemented.
But are we no supposed to be living in a free society?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 16:19:43 GMT 1
We do indeed live in a free society. Surely non smokers should not be put at risk of passive smoking though?
Having once been a smoker I can see both sides of the arguement. I do however think there should be designated smoking / non-smoking areas set out in pubs / clubs / resteraunts and maybe even an area where the two can mix. That way everyone can be kept happy. The onyl problem is that smaller establishments would not have the space to be able to do this sort of thing.
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 16:21:39 GMT 1
We do indeed live in a free society. Surely non smokers should not be put at risk of passive smoking though? Having once been a smoker I can see both sides of the arguement. I do however think there should be designated smoking / non-smoking areas set out in pubs / clubs / resteraunts and maybe even an area where the two can mix. That way everyone can be kept happy. The onyl problem is that smaller establishments would not have the space to be able to do this sort of thing. Already a place everyone can mix - we smokers are an indiscriminate bunch, and have no qualms with letting non-smokers stand with us ;D
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 29, 2004 16:28:16 GMT 1
As from April 1st (when I pack in) I think smoking should be banned full stop. Bloody disgusting habit. Even though I have smoked for 30 years, I must admit that ive found coming home from the pub and stinking off smoke horribe. I don't think we will ever go as far as banning smoking in Pubs & Clubs because this would encourage smokers to pack in and the government would lose millions of pounds in tax. A good comment from a customer in an Irish Pub in a TV interview said "if the Irish Governement are that anti-smoking why not ban it through out the land" and yet again for the same reason as above there is to much revenue to be gained from the poor drug addicts.
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Post by Young_Shrewster on Mar 29, 2004 16:54:44 GMT 1
to be honest, as a smoker...... Ema smoke? Never! Anyway back to the point i, i personaly agree with Ant and others that when going to a Pub (obviously not having a drink at my age ) you do come back smelling like you smoke yourself, which is terrible and disgusting and I HATE IT! BTW: Just to rub it in for all the smokers out there here are some facts....... 1) Smoking is an addiction. Tobacco smoke contains nicotine, a drug that is addictive and can make it very hard, but not impossible, to quit. 2) More than 400,000 deaths in the U.S. each year are from smoking-related illnesses. Smoking greatly increases your risks for lung cancer and many other cancers. 3) Smoking harms not just the smoker, but also family members, coworkers and others who breathe the smoker's cigarette smoke, called secondhand smoke. 4) Secondhand smoke from a parent's cigarette increases a child's chances for middle ear problems, causes coughing and wheezing, and worsens asthma conditions. 5) Quitting smoking makes a difference right away - you can taste and smell food better. Your breath smells better. Your cough goes away. This happens for men and women of all ages, even those who are older. It happens for healthy people as well as those who already have a disease or condition caused by smoking. 6) Quitting smoking saves money. A pack-a-day smoker, who pays $2 per pack can, expect to save more than $700 per year. It appears that the price of cigarettes will continue to rise in coming years, as will the financial rewards of quitting.
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 29, 2004 16:59:18 GMT 1
3) Smoking harms not just the smoker, but also family members, coworkers and others who breathe the smoker's cigarette smoke, called secondhand smoke. Look out HarmerHill_Shrew..... Stay away from me, cus I smoke
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 17:00:04 GMT 1
" A pack-a-day smoker, who pays $2 per pack can"
I think at lot more people would have taken up smoking if it cost that in the UK (just over £1 a pack!). A pack a day smoker in the UK would save around £1500 per year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 17:45:32 GMT 1
my choice to smoke, your choice to stay where i am, your only a student and should not be able to afford to go to a pub anyway.........and without the tax paid on ciggies where would you get your grants from?? ;D
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Post by Young_Shrewster on Mar 29, 2004 17:53:00 GMT 1
my choice to smoke, your choice to stay where i am, your only a student and should not be able to afford to go to a pub anyway.........and without the tax paid on ciggies where would you get your grants from?? ;D Yeh i know but come on!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 18:03:45 GMT 1
my choice to smoke, your choice to stay where i am, your only a student and should not be able to afford to go to a pub anyway.........and without the tax paid on ciggies where would you get your grants from?? ;D Grants - I wish mate!
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 21:00:07 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 29, 2004 21:05:52 GMT 1
I'm so stressed by this argument that I've had to light another cigar
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Post by Young_Shrewster on Mar 29, 2004 21:25:26 GMT 1
Hey Young_Shrewster! No guarantee you will outlive us! No theres not, but im sure i will!
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