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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Feb 16, 2004 22:08:01 GMT 1
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:10:30 GMT 1
What do you reckon...a further 12 point deduction? ;D That would really p*ss em off!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 16, 2004 22:16:40 GMT 1
Tough ;D
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Post by Theoneandonly on Feb 16, 2004 22:19:25 GMT 1
"The Nationwide Conference has charged Exeter City with a breach of rules regarding the registration of Dwane Lee, who joined the club from' Yeading early in this season" Yeading?
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:20:29 GMT 1
yeading....
Near Hayes/heathrow
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:21:52 GMT 1
oops i thought it was somewhere out of west London...or are there 2?
O ris my eography crap?
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Post by Theoneandonly on Feb 16, 2004 22:22:54 GMT 1
Eography? Sorry, thought it might of been a typo for Reading. Ta all
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Feb 16, 2004 22:23:18 GMT 1
Nah, I was talking bollox (so what's new I hear you say ;D) so I deleted it TOAO stylie
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:23:18 GMT 1
oops i thought it was somewhere out of west London...or are there 2? O ris my eography crap? along with my spelling by the looks of it!
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Post by Theoneandonly on Feb 16, 2004 22:26:23 GMT 1
Nah, I was talking bollox (so what's new I hear you say ;D) so I deleted it TOAO stylie Can you feel the positive vibes? ;D
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 16, 2004 22:31:03 GMT 1
a deduction in points would be too harsh, if it were ZinedIne Zidane then maybe; but Dwayne Nobody, no.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 16, 2004 22:34:25 GMT 1
Dont the conference crack down on this pretty hard - is it burton who got deducted points for a similar thing this season - and Barnet in the Trophy - they got chucked out
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Feb 16, 2004 22:36:16 GMT 1
What do you reckon...a further 12 point deduction? ;D That would really p*ss em off! Relegation battle for Exeter?
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:41:42 GMT 1
Knowing Exeters antics recently they will probably turn it on its head and claim the player had a crap game and cost them points. In turn thay will counter claim and request that they should have points added! After all nothings their fault is it? lol Far fetched?....Nothing would surprise me with those Greasey (sorry, Grecian) whingers and the circus that has been going on far too long now. Lets hope the conference don't string this one out as long as the other saga!
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 16, 2004 22:44:57 GMT 1
lets hope Exeter don't get relegated, like ourselves a former league club with a long history, and a jolly good reason for a weekend away on the p*ss.
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Post by Dashers on Feb 16, 2004 22:47:24 GMT 1
...always Torquay instead!!! (when we are back in the league....i hope!)
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 16, 2004 22:54:20 GMT 1
I can't wait that long stevenage, keep it real.
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Post by Shakey252 on Feb 17, 2004 0:25:27 GMT 1
Knowing Exeters antics recently they will probably turn it on its head After all nothings their fault is it? lol Far fetched?....Nothing would surprise me with those Greasey (sorry, Grecian) whingers and the circus that has been going on far too long now. Lets hope the conference don't string this one out as long as the other saga! Stevenageshrew have got to reallt disagree with you there. The whole Exeter City thing has really been very poorly reported by the NLP. Many on here tonight have said the Shropshire Star is a right wing Tory rag so indicating which way they feel their political views lean. So which way do the NLP's lean Let me ask you one question and this is for JP and all those that hold the 'tough' viewpoint. If Shrewsbury Town were in a financial mess to the extent that the club could die and you could challenge these rules legally to stop the death of your team what would you do Remember when a club goes to the wall who suffers The players, the manager and coaches, the directors can all move on, but you as a fan are not going to go and support somebody else are you Exeter City is now run by fans, people who love their club as much as you love yours. I think that if we were in the same position i know what everybody would do. So just answer the question honestly and then lets debate it Also how come it has taken the conference 4 months to spot this admin error. If it could be proved that there is any connection between the 'other saga' and this then heads will surely roll within 'the competitions HQ'
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 17, 2004 0:29:07 GMT 1
The Conference are just as bad as Exeter. Im just so bloody sick of hearing about them.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 17, 2004 0:30:52 GMT 1
saying the Star fascist rag doesn't make you aleft winger
that's why most people buy it!
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Post by Shakey252 on Feb 17, 2004 0:31:43 GMT 1
But you haven't answer the question JP.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 17, 2004 0:33:50 GMT 1
Of course I would want them to fight, but we arent in that position and this is dragging on so long now, that the points if deducted will probably come off next season not this.
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Post by Dashers on Feb 17, 2004 1:33:17 GMT 1
Sorry shakey, not 100% sure what you getting at. What i said was tounge in cheek..... This sorry saga has been dragging on for too long now and whilst i feel sorry for the fans and would not wish to be in Exeters position, at the end of the day if they take on the liability they take on the consequences. End of story in my eyes (rightly or wrongly). In any other business, i understand this would be the case. I fully agree with you that its the fans that suffer...but thats footie. The fans always get shafted....Lets face it Rats isn't in charge anymore so does that me we should not be in the conference. I felt shafted last season alomg with everyone one else on here. Many have moaned and whinged, true, but we have all accepeted where we should be.............so should Exeter in terms of their finances! If i were in their position id actually be happy with a 12 point deduction....at least we would still be in business....and unfortunately business is exactly what football is these days, be it at Prem level or our level. Whatever the NLP report (and i don't always read it), clearly someone has to pick up the legal bill. I just don't want it to be us or any other conf team just because Exeter and their previous board couldn't manage there finances. If Town were in their position, yes , i would want them to explore every loophole/avenue etc but not at the potential expense of others. Sorry if this sounds harsh. If they get off on a technicality, good for them and their legal team....but i certainly won't hold them in the same light as i had done since that emotional day back in May 2000 Whatever, lets hope its all sorted sooner rather than later, one way or the other as it is now getting very embarrassing for the conference Rant over
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Feb 17, 2004 1:38:46 GMT 1
Exeter were party to the vote to bring in the points deduction, they shouldn't be complaining about it now
If Exeter go unpunished what is there to stop other teams, e.g. Leicester City, progressing at the expense of well run clubs?, where is the incentive to be a well run club?
It's very tough on the Exeter supporters that is true, but something has to be done to stop financial mismanagement in football before it gets out of hand
Exeter have broken the rules and should lose 12 points, end of story!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 17, 2004 1:43:31 GMT 1
Spot on PPP - the fact reamins rules were broke and punishment must be accepted - there should not even be an appeals process!
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Post by Dashers on Feb 17, 2004 1:44:10 GMT 1
Well put ppp. Thats what i wanted to summarise as, but got carried away on the old keyboard!!
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Post by guest on Feb 17, 2004 1:53:55 GMT 1
shakey i dont think anyone on here will begrudge exeter their points,just as soon as we are guranteed finishing above them. us shrewsbury folk are the sons of Darwinism - its the survival of the fittest.
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Post by theoldcodger on Feb 17, 2004 3:34:44 GMT 1
The conference has now reduced the penalty for going into adminstration etc to 10 points to bring it into line with the football league ( 9 points in the premiership as they have fewer clubs).
Understand that with Exeter the player has been a regular since august. If charges are proved then could they face having points gained from their matches where he played deducted ? This has already happened to Burton Albion. Adds up to one hell of a lot more points docked than from going into administration. Could also be thrown out of the trophy as has happened with Barnet and Leigh.
On top of this, from the reports it seems that it is alledged that the transfer document though dated earlier was actually not signed until they were under a transfer embargo. Looks like one hell of a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2004 11:03:26 GMT 1
Shakey - Of course I, along with the other town fans would fight to keep STFC afloat if we were in the same scenario; however that wouldn't mean the club hadn't broken any rules.
If it did happen I'd be gutted that our board could run a club so poorly financially - that's obviously what's happened at ECFC.
At the end of the day I have a lot of sympathy for the Exeter supporters BUT their club has broken a set of rules and as a result their club are gaining an advantage - hence they should be dealt with properly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2004 11:58:55 GMT 1
It would be a 10 point deduction.
There is also the serious matter of the Inland Revenue waiting to swoop, which is much more serious for the whole administration issue.
Shakey, I admire your thoughts (which have often been echoed by Seanbrosely) about clubs like Exeter where the fans have got involved to save their clubs. Had this club been Oldham, who have twice had non-fans take control of them, would you be of the same mind? Maybe you would - even I'm not sure!
But does mean we do away with a points penalty totally? And if so, where does it leave us in our fight to control football finances?
Football should be in its healthiest state ever. Attendances are up and show no sign of dropping away. Fans are more educated than ever before about influencing their club (look at us - it's a slow process, but we're getting there).
This will be a very important 2 or 3 years in the history of professional football in our country I feel - more so than any time since around 1990.
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