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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 0:57:49 GMT 1
it was in response to comments like the ducks shed
ill change it if you want
surely pondlife grows in a pond??
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Post by x emz x on Jan 11, 2004 0:59:58 GMT 1
dont really care!
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Post by grinfish on Jan 11, 2004 1:03:28 GMT 1
Perhaps change it to
"Our Garden Shed is better than yours, it's got a swimming pool and a tyre" ;D
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 1:05:27 GMT 1
dont really care! why bother raising the point then?
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Post by x emz x on Jan 11, 2004 1:17:19 GMT 1
haha just for the craic like!god sake!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 11, 2004 2:18:12 GMT 1
what an absolute t*** of a post from an obvious illegitimate child of a motherless goat get it sorted, TUFC have some decent fans, why do u have to be so socially incapable?
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Post by x emz x on Jan 11, 2004 2:48:44 GMT 1
awww thanks for that mate!really appreciate it! grow up!! that is disgraceful behaviour-u do realise you are givin your club a bad name, thats pathetic .
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 11, 2004 3:35:11 GMT 1
I think the idea was Lee, that your pitch seems to be suffering from surface water, and quite a lot of it (hence called of games) this could be a bit like a pond, hence the pond life that grow in it.... Doesnt look good for you,needing someone so itellectually challenged and idiotic as me having to explain such a plausable and simple post to someone such as yourself does it?
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 3:51:18 GMT 1
that was the idea of my post "the only things that grow in a garden are algae and pondlife" in reference to the garden shed chant my observation is that they are not the only things that grow in a garden, why would pondlife grow in a garden without a pond?! it was meant with humour so was my response - if you will - so i didnt need anything explaining but thanks for being so concerned - and next time you visit a garden without a pond see how many fish you can count
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Post by grinfish on Jan 11, 2004 4:23:04 GMT 1
that was the idea of my post "the only things that grow in a garden are algae and pondlife" in reference to the garden shed chant my observation is that they are not the only things that grow in a garden, why would pondlife grow in a garden without a pond?! it was meant with humour so was my response - if you will - so i didnt need anything explaining but thanks for being so concerned - and next time you visit a garden without a pond see how many fish you can count <pedant> I was referring to the observation that on frequent occasions your garden is becoming a pond, hence the only thing getting an opportunity to grow there is pondlife, as opposed, for example, to a blossoming bunch of lilies ;D </pedant>
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 8:54:08 GMT 1
Finally managing to Reply to loyalshrew
I think Andy Shaw will still be supporting the club in 2 years time if league football is not attained. However, I can't see him continuing to put the current level of money into the club unless:
Somebody or bodies come along to match his spending.
The club becomes financially viable on a day-to-day basis (i.e. income will cover the running costs and salaries at the club). If this were the case he would support transfer funds and stadium developments I would think.
I've never been utterly convinced about his motives, but I take what he does at face value and support it fully. I suppose, based on this weekend's events, we'd be in the mire without him and we've got a mire with him!!
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Post by Quote of the week on Jan 11, 2004 9:53:09 GMT 1
I suppose, based on this weekend's events, we'd be in the mire without him and we've got a mire with him!! Quality ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Jan 11, 2004 10:33:10 GMT 1
how much of the hotel's turnover is going to be pumped into the "team"?
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 10:44:18 GMT 1
I'm not sure that any of it is, but AndyJ says it is.
I have sponsored a few games and had a box etc. this season and you pay the club for the hire of the box, but you pay the hotel for the food. based on this, I would say they are totally separate entities.
Whitehouse Hotels are a chain throughout the mids, so it would be a bit strange for one of them to be affiliated to a football club, whilst the others remain part of the chain.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Jan 11, 2004 10:50:46 GMT 1
i think thats his point - hotel this year creates revenue for next years budget meaning we have more money available for wages due to the wage capping. we bring in a reserve team plus carry on with the scheme at tcat and then we progress from there good planning i think and i guess that arguments won then - well done so Lee spouts bollox as usual??
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 11, 2004 10:50:56 GMT 1
The two do operate as separate business, i did mention that that on a thread a while back on buckschat, and Andy J totally dismissed it, perhaps you could remind him Steve.
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 10:55:19 GMT 1
Andy is more in the know about club activities than I am to be honest. If he is sure the money is linked, there could be something in that, it just doesn't look like it to me on the face of it from an accountancy point of view.
I pay my money, do my bit from a sponsorship etc point of view (lucky enough to have my own business), but the internal politics etc of the club don't interest me, I've got enough on my plate. In light of that, I don't get involved with away travel club, fans forums etc I did all that years ago when I was editing "The Pies Were Cold" etc. etc.
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Post by duncowshrew on Jan 11, 2004 11:41:01 GMT 1
Certainly started something there then!!
How come so many tufc fans use this site? Is it because theirs is so utterley boring?
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 11:44:30 GMT 1
Maybe we feel we have something to offer the debates?
Maybe its because there's normally someone online here?
Maybe we think we can add a non-league perspective on your thinking?
Maybe we like the fact that you're intrigued as to why we post?
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Jan 11, 2004 12:03:04 GMT 1
Maybe we feel we have something to offer the debates? Maybe its because there's normally someone online here? Maybe we think we can add a non-league perspective on your thinking? Maybe we like the fact that you're intrigued as to why we post? Too....many......questions...on...sunday...morning..
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 12:05:07 GMT 1
;D ;D ;D
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 12:15:27 GMT 1
so Lee spouts bollox as usual?? ahhh, this from the guy with over 1000 posts on the longest thread ;D the way i see it, too have the budget we have at least some of the hotels revenue must be going into the club or we simply wouldnt be able to afford it based on our gates/fan base etc. as andy is part of whitehouse hotels (i think) i dont see why he doesnt pump money from that into the clubs coffers so to speak - people say the hotel funds the clubs others dont - i gave my viewpoint and doesnt mean i was speaking bolloxs now run along and post on the longest thread ill be there in a minute
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 12:26:23 GMT 1
Lee, Andy Shaw owns (I think all of) Whitehouse Hotels group. However, aligning any business to a football club does not make any sense.
Andy is, first and foremost, a businessman. Just as the paying fan chooses to invest their money in the club of their choice (via gate money, replica shirts, scarves etc.) Andy chooses to put HIS money into the club via massive inputs of cash.
A clear line needs to be drawn at this stage. Andy puts his money into Telford because he chooses to. All of Andy's businesses will be run totally seperately from any football club. By doing this, the liability for each business is totally seperate from any other activity.
If the two were aligned, and TUFC went Bust, The Whitehouse hotel could be sold off to pay creditors. The fact that there is a hotel at the ground, funnily enough, is a pure coincidence from a business point of view!
The act that it wouldn't be there if the council had not agreed to the new ground is totally unrelated to the football club.
It is unlikely that there will be any accountancy link between any of these enterprises, it is extremely niaive if there is. Any money raised from Andy's businesses will be paid to the shareholders and directors as voted at the AGM along with any salaries and benefits.
If Andy Shaw then chooses to invest that money into TUFC, The Dun Cow, TGI Fridays or The Bookies its entirely up to him as individual. Think of it as him spending his week's wages if you like!
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 11, 2004 12:34:41 GMT 1
Spot on Steve, (AS) gets 2 separate invoices off me every month by his request , if others at your club think its one business they are misled, every business man who makes money can as you say, rightly spend it how or where they like in AS case tufc, but many feel that the hotel is there to fund the club entiely.
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 12:34:42 GMT 1
thats sort of what i meant - not that the hotel money is transferred directly into the clubs account - but andy puts in as much as is needed from it otherwise how would we afford this squad on last seasons money and budget?! lets not argue between us ill raise it at the next fans forum edit! telford shrews thats what i was getting at but worded it wrong, i dont think the hotel is there to fund the club on its own
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 12:36:32 GMT 1
I didn't realise we were arguing I just think that I might have a bit more experience of business and accountancy law and how to avoid tax and horrible things like that
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 12:39:31 GMT 1
its not even that - its just i worded it wrong
hotel and club are separate hotel doesnt finance club andy pyts money possibly from hotel into club sign lee mills ;D
pints still cost too much in the bar!
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 11, 2004 12:48:44 GMT 1
Oh dear Lee just accept you're wrong and move on
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 11, 2004 12:58:45 GMT 1
oh dear rob stop....in general i agree with steve nelsons fan club (what is your name!!) my point came across wrongly - i apologise for any harm its caused you
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 11, 2004 13:20:02 GMT 1
I don't do this often but I think some of the Telford lads have a point:
-Fair enough, Telford pitch was flooded yesterday which is a poor show but let's face it, some of last debacle was due to the fact the the meadow was a swimming pool for most of last year.
-After trying to get a hotel for a customer this week in Telford, the Whitehouse was the only place with availbility. Yes the surroundings are poor, but the hotel seems fine and Andy Shaw has spotted a need for a new hotel in Telford- guaranteed income.
But just to even things up though, I hope that you remain in this god forsaken league for another 20 years and maybe one day you will reciognise the fact that you will be forever living in in our shadow ;D
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