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Post by HinstockWiganshrew on Jan 7, 2004 16:03:02 GMT 1
I didn't realise that the 'bus service was bad. Parking certainly is a problem. My daughter, from Hinstock shops in Telford, mainly- although she prefers Shrewsbury- why?- Parking. with 3 children, she doesn't relish the park and ride option. Also- Telford has more facilities for children - ice-rink..etc.. O.K. -I don't live in Shropshire now (more's the pity) so I can only give a limited view. It seems things are worse than they appear from outside. If these councillors don't listen, or have selective hearing- then somehow, they should be made to listen. Don't give up- there's too much at stake here.
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Post by pawlo on Jan 7, 2004 16:18:54 GMT 1
Parking is terrible. But thats another good example, a few years back NCP wanted to build a multistorey car park on their land at the bottom of the Cop, my understanding is the council said no cos they didnt want to encourage parking inside the loop of the river. Since then the council have opened two car parks in Barker Street and want another for their staff on Smithfield road!!
Im starting to go on a bit but the whole set up stinks. Double standards are the new black ( as the arty folk say ) in Shrewsbury. Shrewsbury Town I would guess ( although I dont have figures ) have attracted more people to visit the town in the last year than all the museums put together.
Just what is there in Shrewsbury for the young.
Why should I have to subsidise tourists, art lovers and farmers.
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Post by mysticmurray on Jan 7, 2004 17:35:20 GMT 1
bollocks to it....
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 7, 2004 20:58:35 GMT 1
Bad news for Pab, JP etc - having a PC and access to the internet is a principle indicator for being middle class.
Of course Shrewsbury is a middle class town, unless I missed the coal mines, steel works and ship yards last time I drove in.
And why the hostility to a theatre, why are you so scared of being exposed to culture?
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 7, 2004 23:45:17 GMT 1
Sorry I fail to see Robert Clives connection to Shrewsbury. He was born just outside Market drayton, and it is infact Market Drayton which is often featured in Clive documentories, not shrewsbury.
King Rowley would be fantastic. What could be more prestigious than have a statue of the greatest goalscore known to English League Football with a ball under his arm in his Shrewsbury Town Kit. Thats the sort of monument that many Towns just couldnt have.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 8, 2004 0:05:23 GMT 1
Rob, as Arthurs No. 1 fan, I think that's a great post
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Post by stockportershrew on Jan 8, 2004 11:08:52 GMT 1
Surely what you need is a range of facilities to cater for all tastes and with distinctive local character. As glasgow shrew (?) said shrewsbury is beginning to resemble many other medium sized former market towns.
I also can't believe people are complaining about a theatre (but as as middle class theatre goer - then I would say that wouldn't I).
The argument about not subsidising things we don't use is a dodgy one - One could say the same things about loads of services or faciltities - I seen some people complain that they don't have kids so why are they paying for schools etc. Cultural things like museums theatres etc. have wider social benefits, just because things don't make a financial profit doesn't mean they aren't valuable.
Final point in this ramble - I think wigan shrew is probably right - shropshire lacking a university in its own right has been detrimental for the county. Young people move away, and the town doesn't benefit form the additional facilities that are often drawn in by universities.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 8, 2004 11:28:05 GMT 1
Sorry I fail to see Robert Clives connection to Shrewsbury. He was born just outside Market drayton, and it is infact Market Drayton which is often featured in Clive documentories, not shrewsbury. King Rowley would be fantastic. What could be more prestigious than have a statue of the greatest goalscore known to English League Football with a ball under his arm in his Shrewsbury Town Kit. Thats the sort of monument that many Towns just couldnt have. Arthur Rowley was born and bred in Wolverhampton, so infact Clive of India is more local than he. Monument to Arthur at The New Meadow yes, up town? no If anyone should have a Statue it should be Percy Thrower.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 8, 2004 13:52:08 GMT 1
My Mum used to work for Percy and he was a really nice bloke, however he came from Berkshire - I think. He was certainly not a Salopian.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 8, 2004 13:54:35 GMT 1
Personally I think there was more chance Percy getting a staute than Arthur.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jan 8, 2004 13:55:08 GMT 1
How about a statue of Roddy Doran after he wins the World Title.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Jan 8, 2004 16:02:17 GMT 1
How do you outline parts of other people's posts to reply to? I did try once- it didn't work. Couple of points:- Point (1) Class? Someone said that Shrewsbury is a middle class town. are you saying that because a town has no mines or many factories, that there are few, if any working-class people living there? There are council estates in Shrewsbury; what about Harlescott, for example. One of my students was researching nineteenth century factory condirtions and turned up an account of conditions endured by children working in two factories in Shrewsbury. In our Encyclopaedia, it says that Shrewsbury was (or is) noted for brewing!! There was a T.V documentary about a factory (now disused, admittedly) in Ditherington. My father was a Railway clerk working at Shrewsbury. The station was very busy in those days. I've just read a magazine article by a man who once worked as a shunter at Shrewsbury station. Railway workers are not middle class, are they? Point (2.) Museums:- Wigan is most definitely a "working class" town- and so is St Helens. (We live in Billinge- midway between but officially Wigan.) Wigan has a terrific museum at the so called Wigan Pier. It is both a tourist attraction and serves the local community; a lot of schools from surrounding districts take parties of children there. It's different, in that it employs actors - and visitors can join them in re-enactments of 19th century schoolroom scenes..etc.. St Helens is an ugly little town; it depresses me it's so drab- yet it still has some "culture" in the form of a museum, an art gallery and The Citadel, which is the more "arty"of the two theatres. People could say that St Helens and Wigan are working class towns and therefore the people don't need a theatre or a museum!! You'd be surprised who likes "culture". It's difficult- but don't make the mistake of stereotyping people according to some set of criteria dreamed up by sociologists or sections of the media, who keep changing the criteria, anyway!! Yes- I've done it myself, put people in categories- ( I think they almost encourage student teachers to study "socio-economic status" ..etc..) But, the older I get, the more I realize that people are more complex than that. It leads to unecessary divisions between people, too- people work too hard at the upkeep of their "Middle-class status"-and look down on others- and others protest that they're working class and develop an "inverted snobbery." Surely the thing that matters is how people behave and whether or not they respect others. (One thing I like about supporting Town is that our supporters come from all walks of life!) What's this got to do with Shrewsbury's future? Well- obviously the council need to provide facilities for a wide range of people with diverse needs and diverse tastes. Forget "class," think, "people"
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Jan 8, 2004 16:05:09 GMT 1
Now I need a lie-down!!
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 8, 2004 20:03:43 GMT 1
Jp you tart ;D
I said Rowley in his STFC shirt. He is more prevelent to Shrewsbury than Clive. As Rowley broke the goalscoring record here at STFC. He also played for the club and managed it over a distinguished period of time.
Clive was a crook who spent most of his time in india on the fiddle and had very little if anything to do with Shrewsbury.
As for a uni. Shropshire has HArper Adams, its an agricultural uni, but still one that appears to be held in high esteem. The university of Wolverhampton has branched out into Telford forming the university of Telford (I think).
As wells as this Shropshire has a number of top performing schools (public/private or just grammar) in the form os Shrewsbury High, Shrewsbury Boys, Newport High, Adams Newport and Thomas Telford to name but a few (altho' TT slighly demands that all new pupils take an 11+ type test amongst other things) Oh and there is in Shrewsbury sixth form, the 6th best sixthform collage in the country or something.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 8, 2004 20:18:42 GMT 1
"Clive was a crook who spent most of his time in india on the fiddle and had very little if anything to do with Shrewsbury"
I have looked at his bio and there is nothing about him playing the violin, you made that part up ;D
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Post by matt on Jan 8, 2004 20:25:39 GMT 1
shrewsbury suffers badly from not having a significant student population in my opinion. you can see this in the lack of diverse things to do here of an evening and in the ridiculous door policies that nearly all the pubs/clubs have in this town. i dont know anywhere else in the uk that has so many places with dress codes, its just stupid, and means the only pubs me and my mates frequent when back here are the few without such policies. the upside of this is that you tend to avoid all the knobs out to cause trouble i guess!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 8, 2004 20:50:00 GMT 1
Pauline, you my comments much too seriously. I was simply poking fun at the lazy use of 'middle class' as an insult.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Jan 8, 2004 22:35:45 GMT 1
I'm taking everything too seriously at the moment, Dave- I've got my January head on- and January is a real bummer- especially after a fantastic Christmas holiday and all that fun!! C'mon- tell us a joke then!!!!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 8, 2004 22:49:04 GMT 1
Let the town crier have his statue - but after he snuffs it.
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