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Post by morpheus on May 23, 2005 19:26:32 GMT 1
Bloody hell this thread off I still blame the parents personally ONLY THE PARENTS
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Post by aleix on May 23, 2005 19:27:02 GMT 1
How can the edcuational system be to blame? ? ? The kids have obviously been influenced! I wouldn't have known where to dip my knob at 11!!! Parents fault, end of
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Post by morpheus on May 23, 2005 19:28:41 GMT 1
How can the edcuational system be to blame? ? ? The kids have obviously been influenced! I wouldn't have known where to dip my knob at 11!!! Parents fault, end of if education is to blame for this then what about diks lexia ? had to lose the waggy ;D
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Post by john on May 23, 2005 19:29:26 GMT 1
Ok you aswell Pete
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Post by aleix on May 23, 2005 19:31:06 GMT 1
if education is to blame for this then what about diks lexia ? had to lose the waggy ;D uckf off
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2005 20:11:35 GMT 1
surely this is not what you really think? Last year over 180,000 unwanted children were destroyed in the UK I don't think making it compulsory is the answer at all? Why make the unborn child pay? Firstly Dave, there is a huge debate surrounding your above statistic and when an embryo becomes a life. Secondly, in response to your question. Abortion is something I think primarily should be of choice - I know if I was to accidently get a girl pregnant now I'd want her to have an abortion - I'm in no position financially or in terms of time to bring up a child how I would feel was right- it wouldn't be fair on the child. That last sentance would be the basis for the argument to make abortion compuslory for U-16s. How many of them could bring up a child adequately? But then there is the other side - no doubt some of the children could turn out to be very successful, decent people - some of the even stars. You Dave, would naturally argue that they all deserve a chance to life. As per usual I'm somewhat sitting on the fence, I think the current rules are the right way to go, abortion is a choice we are given and one I agree with.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2005 20:15:06 GMT 1
To add - I had sex ed first at primary school, when I was 10. Then at secondary school (Mary Webb) we had sex ed in the 2nd year (aged 12/13). Virtually all of my mates waited until they were 16 to have sex, even if in a stable relationship, and no one the mick out of em for it. Good stuff
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Post by Shrews and Royals on May 23, 2005 20:21:12 GMT 1
We are allowed to show video of an actual birth at school (with suitable advance warnings).
The one I have found shows absolutely everything tearing as the head comes out.
Mighty effective birth control for a Catholic School!
What ever happened to parents taking responsibility for sex education.......how she can blame the school I have no idea!
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Post by john on May 23, 2005 20:22:02 GMT 1
To add - I had sex ed first at primary school, when I was 10. Then at secondary school (Mary Webb) we had sex ed in the 2nd year (aged 12/13). quote] Im glad you put "Sex ed" as I so nearly put, "well i didnt realise he had it in him"
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Post by Pilch on May 23, 2005 20:26:49 GMT 1
i think all 7 should be aborted now yours cynical pilch
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Post by rob on May 23, 2005 21:14:51 GMT 1
I can see it now mum-"our Jade go and get some bread will ya" Jade-"yes mammy" Mum-" On your way back you couldnt just drop in at Terrys, he wants to have sex with you"
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 23, 2005 23:15:38 GMT 1
Firstly Dave, there is a huge debate surrounding your above statistic and when an embryo becomes a life. Secondly, in response to your question. Abortion is something I think primarily should be of choice - I know if I was to accidently get a girl pregnant now I'd want her to have an abortion - I'm in no position financially or in terms of time to bring up a child how I would feel was right- it wouldn't be fair on the child. That last sentance would be the basis for the argument to make abortion compuslory for U-16s. How many of them could bring up a child adequately? But then there is the other side - no doubt some of the children could turn out to be very successful, decent people - some of the even stars. You Dave, would naturally argue that they all deserve a chance to life. As per usual I'm somewhat sitting on the fence, I think the current rules are the right way to go, abortion is a choice we are given and one I agree with. An honest answer Ant and one which I respect, although disagree in terms of my own view, but we are used to that It is highly unlikely you would get a girl pregnant cos you know the risks and would take precautions Everything you say about not being in a position to raise a child is something I share very keenly, and even when i get married that will still be the case, that I am not yet in a decent enough financial position to consider little dave's running round the place The debate about when I life becomes a life obviously underpins anyone's opinion on this issue. I personally think it is when the egg implants and starts to multiply. That si the start of the process of a human being growing and I do not see whether physical little hands have been shaped yet makes a difference. It is my opinion and I respect other people's democratic right to believe different. Last year nearly 500 abortions a day were carried out but apprently only 300 kids in the whole country in the year were put up for adoption (that stat sounds a bit low!). The whole thing is massive ethical issue because some people are saying it is the girls' fault, the parents, the schools, abort, keep the kids or whatever but at the end of the day real people are facing real issues and people are being hurt and having their lives damaged, either by unwanted kids, being an unwanted kid or the effect of abortion. I have my own theories as to the real solution to this situation, but you'd all think I was crazy so i will keep them to myself, except of course to say that while I hold my own opinions strongly and will defend them strongly I think we need to debate these things maturely and not point the finger of blame too quickly
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 23, 2005 23:18:10 GMT 1
Not conservative Rob, it is Catholic thinking. It was a papal decree, not something found within most conservative evangelical thinking. Abortion on the other hand is something where the religious right in America have a field day. As ever what the bible says becomes politicised and then the meaning gets skewed, but the message is still pretty clear
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Post by rob on May 24, 2005 9:26:32 GMT 1
Sorry Dave, I didnt want to explicitly offend Catholics on here, so thought I'd make it a bit more vague in my description
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Post by tom_leather on May 24, 2005 10:50:35 GMT 1
To me, it blatantly is the fault of the parents, you cannot blame the education system, cause if it was education's fault then surely all kids would be having babies aged 12?? PS i don't know who's fault it is for calling their kids T-Jay and Amani!!
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Post by john on May 24, 2005 10:53:59 GMT 1
To me, it blatantly is the fault of the parents, you cannot blame the education system, cause if it was education's fault then surely all kids would be having babies aged 12?? PS i don't know who's fault it is for calling their kids T-Jay and Amani!! The names T-Shirt and Anal had already been taken up in their family ;D
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Post by carsonshrew on May 24, 2005 11:40:12 GMT 1
I'm a teacher in a secondary school. We teach sex education from Year 7 onwards. It's not a particularly good school, nor a good area, and yet our pregnancy rates are not particularly high. As far as I know, there's one pregnant girl in Year 11. Surely if our sex education was poor, we'd have more teenage mothers in our school? To say that it's the school's fault really annoys me. I'm sick of parents blaming us for everything. Even the government do that - at one point the plan was to keep Year 11 in school AFTER their exams, i.e. no study leave. The reason? Apparantly the crime rates go up when kids are on study leave. I'm not doubting that, I just don't see why we should be responsible for them after the exams. Thankfully they've abandoned the idea in our school.
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Post by Minor on May 24, 2005 11:58:48 GMT 1
I know a friend of mine who never had sex till he was 32, in a stable relationship etc etc etc, I'm fed up with these cases of child mothers, knowing my taxes are being wasted like this, the one father is allegedly over 30 , so should surely be locked up. And yes of course my friend..... was me , sex is not the be all & end all, far too much drinking, playing cricket , footie etc etc to do.............oh and have been celibate since September 2001, and great fun it is, but I do have a lovely daughter (I am now single obviously
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Post by rob on May 24, 2005 12:26:31 GMT 1
As ever with the rising rates of yobbish behaviour, tax fraudsters, single mothers, assylem seekers etc.. we only ever hear the bad, we only ever hear the most absurd and rediculess stories. I wonder what the bigger picture is like. As for blaming schools, well I'm pretty sure it differs. At an all boys school we were only taught the different methods of contraception in yr 11, about condoms splitting and putting them on in year 11 and about the various diseases and how they can go undetected in year 11. Having said that no one in my year was pregnant so they must have done a decent job ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2005 12:45:53 GMT 1
I know a friend of mine who never had sex till he was 32, in a stable relationship etc etc etc, I'm fed up with these cases of child mothers, knowing my taxes are being wasted like this, the one father is allegedly over 30 , so should surely be locked up. And yes of course my friend..... was me , sex is not the be all & end all, far too much drinking, playing cricket , footie etc etc to do.............oh and have been celibate since September 2001, and great fun it is, but I do have a lovely daughter (now single obviously Great post Minor
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Post by Minor on May 24, 2005 15:54:26 GMT 1
Great post Minor Thank you
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