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Post by McKie on Mar 16, 2005 11:49:23 GMT 1
Ah sounds pretty interesting stuff. It is about time the Unions did something in the UK. They tend to be toothless and pointless most of the time nowadays.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 16, 2005 11:58:59 GMT 1
Your industry being the ranks of highly paid "human rights" lawyers and other professional liberal bigots, who ultimately are the only people to benefit from such exercises in spending taxpayers money. Apart from the 1500 women workers of coarse.
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Post by McKie on Mar 16, 2005 12:02:57 GMT 1
I think cynical conveniently forgot that part or maybe 200,000 would have no affect on his life.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Mar 16, 2005 12:12:02 GMT 1
Apart from the 1500 women workers of coarse.
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Post by TUC on Mar 16, 2005 13:47:40 GMT 1
Ah sounds pretty interesting stuff. It is about time the Unions did something in the UK. They tend to be toothless and pointless most of the time nowadays. Bit of a dilemma, really. Have massive rows with Blair, withdraw funding, and maybe end up with Howard
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Post by McKie on Mar 16, 2005 13:50:42 GMT 1
Maybe I'm just an idealist who thinks that the unions should be thinking of the rights of the workers first, ahead of any political stuff. Probably wouldn't work. Can't say i am really an expert in the area.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 18, 2005 20:39:11 GMT 1
I advise businesses (often finding funding, so they don't have to pay) on such things as employment law, equality & diversity, anti-discrimination issues and the like. This (I hope) benefits small businesses, as they can make sure they don't get themselves into any trouble and also that their staff are well treated and happy. I also work with private clients, employers and employees, advising on specific issues. I help people who have been unfairly dismissed, and companies who are facing unreasonable pressure from staff. I hold seminars for private and public sector organisations on a variety of topics, but all related to legislation and (dare I say it) Human Rights. I got in in one! OK, so you're an Apparachik in the pocket of the establishment, with a vested interest in maintaing the status quo lest you lose your 'Society Guardian' non-job. Small businesses (and large) would be most benefited by removing the massive interference of bureaucracy and legislation.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 18, 2005 20:41:54 GMT 1
An interesting thing is that married women with small children overwhelmingly wish to stay at home rather than go out to work, but modern living costs are such that they are forced back into wage-slavery to pay the mortgage etc.
40 years ago, when it was perfectly common for men and women to earn different amounts for doing excatly the same job, a family would generally be in difficulties if the mother was out at work.
Isn't progress wonderful.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 18, 2005 20:46:47 GMT 1
Very little point arguing with you any more on this one as it's clear we have polar opposite views. That said, I like to base my opinions on factual evidence, and as long as you're going to come out with statements like 'children's health was better' (check the mortality rates dude), then we're going to be on different wavelengths. Mortality rates were higher than today but on a steep downard slope. However, you fail to take into account the massive scale legal infanticide of children we see today, which must make infant mortality rather higher! Childhood diseases were near eradicated in the 1950s, and Asthma was rare, and Childhood obesity diabetes virtually unheard of.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 18, 2005 21:08:04 GMT 1
An interesting thing is that married women with small children overwhelmingly wish to stay at home rather than go out to work, but modern living costs are such that they are forced back into wage-slavery to pay the mortgage etc. 40 years ago, when it was perfectly common for men and women to earn different amounts for doing excatly the same job, a family would generally be in difficulties if the mother was out at work. Isn't progress wonderful. I dont think it has that much to do with modern living "costs", more modern living "standards". 40 years ago, most people rented council accomodation wich was relatively cheap, now everyone wants to own their home, although i accept that since the Tories sold off council houses, the oppertunity to rent is very limited. 40 years ago, a child would play for hours with a wooden spinning top or hoola hoop, now the parents need to fork out hundreds on the latest video games. 40 years ago, most people enjoyed cheap public transport ( use the word enjoyed loosely), now every household wants a car for each member of the family. 40 years ago, a child would wear a pair of black "pumps" for PE, now the parents fork out £50 a pair for Nike trainers.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 18, 2005 21:17:39 GMT 1
I dont think it has that much to do with modern living "costs", more modern living "standards". 40 years ago, most people rented council accomodation wich was relatively cheap, now everyone wants to own their home, although i accept that since the Tories sold off council houses, the oppertunity to rent is very limited. 40 years ago, a child would play for hours with a wooden spinning top or hoola hoop, now the parents need to fork out hundreds on the latest video games. 40 years ago, most people enjoyed cheap public transport ( use the word enjoyed loosely), now every household wants a car for each member of the family. 40 years ago, a child would wear a pair of black "pumps" for PE, now the parents fork out £50 a pair for Nike trainers. Whilst vast amounts of money is p**sed away on consumer baubies, that is perhaps because such worthless items are cheap compared to £1000plus council tax bills, mortgages, fuel bills etc. There is an argument that such consumerism is rampant because people simply can't afford the "essentials" of life, such as a decent home, so such cheap 'luxuries' are a compensation. Social housing is very difficult for ordinary people to obtain. Many estates of such housing are unlivable because of an excess of undesirables or rather too much 'diversity'. Cars are a fantastic waste of money, sadly they are a requirement for some for work, although many are wedded to them for reasons behond my comprehension. Public transport is - for practical purposes - more extensive than ever, but is plagued by undesirabled and anti-social behaviour (go upstairs on a bus after 8 at night!).
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Post by pawlo on Mar 18, 2005 22:11:35 GMT 1
Whilst vast amounts of money is p**sed away on consumer baubies, that is perhaps because such worthless items are cheap compared to £1000plus council tax bills, mortgages, fuel bills etc. There is an argument that such consumerism is rampant because people simply can't afford the "essentials" of life, such as a decent home, so such cheap 'luxuries' are a compensation. Social housing is very difficult for ordinary people to obtain. Many estates of such housing are unlivable because of an excess of undesirables or rather too much 'diversity'. Cars are a fantastic waste of money, sadly they are a requirement for some for work, although many are wedded to them for reasons behond my comprehension. Public transport is - for practical purposes - more extensive than ever, but is plagued by undesirabled and anti-social behaviour (go upstairs on a bus after 8 at night!). Is "baubies" a spelling error, or is it latin for something. Sorry, secondary education, i dont get the point you are trying to make there There is also an arguement that consumerism is rampant because people a) just dont have thier priorities right, and b) because although we all moan about it, we have never been so well off. Not in shrewsbury there isnt. Let yourself down there a bit CS, nearly had a decent debate without you bringing up the race card. Shame We dont have double deckers in shrewsbury (too many low bridges). But although i am wedded to my car (corkingly fast Audi A3 Turbo), I do use the bus quite often. Only problem i have is having to sit next to someone who wants to talk to me. You seem to highlight something in your post that has often mystified me. Shrewsbury is relatively well off, very low ethnic population, zero community tension. We do you post on here, how in Gods name do you hope to convert people. Its a bit like sending a plumber into the sahara dessert.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2005 1:45:07 GMT 1
Whilst vast amounts of money is p**sed away on consumer baubies, that is perhaps because such worthless items are cheap compared to £1000plus council tax bills, mortgages, fuel bills etc. There is an argument that such consumerism is rampant because people simply can't afford the "essentials" of life, such as a decent home, so such cheap 'luxuries' are a compensation. Social housing is very difficult for ordinary people to obtain. Many estates of such housing are unlivable because of an excess of undesirables or rather too much 'diversity'. Cars are a fantastic waste of money, sadly they are a requirement for some for work, although many are wedded to them for reasons behond my comprehension. Public transport is - for practical purposes - more extensive than ever, but is plagued by undesirabled and anti-social behaviour (go upstairs on a bus after 8 at night!). Some of your points are spot on Cynical. And yet surrounded as it is in hypocritical, racist and sexist comment, backed up only by single statistics which do little support your wide-ranging rants, you end up looking a bit of a tool.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Mar 19, 2005 10:57:56 GMT 1
I got in in one! OK, so you're an Apparachik in the pocket of the establishment, with a vested interest in maintaing the status quo lest you lose your 'Society Guardian' non-job. Small businesses (and large) would be most benefited by removing the massive interference of bureaucracy and legislation. Oh dear, cynical. I go away for a couple of days (spreading social and industrial harmony throughout the land) and I get back to find yet more ill-informed, and unsubstantiated, drivel has emerged from your fevered imagination. What, by the way, have you "got in in one"? I shudder to think! You know nothing about me, nor what my contribution is. Yet you insist on making comments that imply that you have some wondrous insite. Not that I'm in any way concerned about your opinions. To be critisised, by such a blinkered bigot, with not even the vaguest perception of how the real world works, is very reassuring. Indeed, I have shown some colleagues, your comment about me being an "Apparachik". It had them in hysterics. Because, you see, they know me, and you don't. It is just another example of the way everything has to fit into your own, narrow, view of the world. If things aren't categorised into little boxes, then you get confused. You are incapable of coming to terms with complexity. If a situation, or opinion, conflicts with something that has been programmed into your, rather simplistic, thought process, it does not compute. So it is rejected, and you free-fall into denial. You are a joke cynical. Not harmful, not irritating, and certainly not to be taken seriously. Your just sad. It's even sadder that, from time to time, you make a valid point. But this is always lost because you are incapable of seperating any rational thought from the confines of these narrow little boxes. It's all such a pity. But I fear that you are destined to roam your, rather bleak, world for as long as you've got a hole in your @rse. Anyway - Back to saving the world
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Post by chrisj on Mar 19, 2005 12:18:16 GMT 1
It is just another example of the way everything has to fit into your own, narrow, view of the world. If things aren't categorised into little boxes, then you get confused. You are incapable of coming to terms with complexity. If a situation, or opinion, conflicts with something that has been programmed into your, rather simplistic, thought process, it does not compute. So it is rejected, and you free-fall into denial. You are a joke cynical. Not harmful, not irritating, and certainly not to be taken seriously. Your just sad. It's even sadder that, from time to time, you make a valid point. But this is always lost because you are incapable of seperating any rational thought from the confines of these narrow little boxes. It's all such a pity. But I fear that you are destined to roam your, rather bleak, world for as long as you've got a hole in your @rse. Wonderful stuff. Just disagree with one point - CS and his ilk are harmful if not nipped in the bud, and dealing with such noxious weeds is a never-ending task...
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 19, 2005 18:11:51 GMT 1
You know nothing about me, nor what my contribution is. Yet you insist on making comments that imply that you have some wondrous insite. Not that I'm in any way concerned about your opinions. To be critisised, by such a blinkered bigot, with not even the vaguest perception of how the real world works, is very reassuring. Indeed, I have shown some colleagues, your comment about me being an "Apparachik". It had them in hysterics. Because, you see, they know me, and you don't. It is just another example of the way everything has to fit into your own, narrow, view of the world. If things aren't categorised into little boxes, then you get confused. You are incapable of coming to terms with complexity. If a situation, or opinion, conflicts with something that has been programmed into your, rather simplistic, thought process, it does not compute. So it is rejected, and you free-fall into denial. More projection. I'll give you this, you describe the liveral-bigots worldview far better than I can!
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Post by aleix on Mar 19, 2005 18:17:05 GMT 1
You're back
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Post by benlennagain on Mar 19, 2005 18:23:18 GMT 1
Can i ask a question is there really many people as stupid as cynical, he cant have friends surely? i see him as a lonley finger sniffer with a penchant for cross dressing and donkey rape.
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Post by chrisj on Mar 19, 2005 18:28:33 GMT 1
More projection. I'll give you this, you describe the liveral-bigots worldview far better than I can! For an individual so contemptuous of psychology (because of the Jewish connection?) you do like to hint at some understanding of it, don't you? Shame you're restricted to the same old phrases; once you pick one up, you really like to get your money's worth. Or is that projection too? Now you're back, do we get any answers or are you still hiding behind specious wordplay and convenient disappearances?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 20, 2005 15:42:47 GMT 1
For an individual so contemptuous of psychology (because of the Jewish connection?) you do like to hint at some understanding of it, don't you? Shame you're restricted to the same old phrases; once you pick one up, you really like to get your money's worth. Or is that projection too? Now you're back, do we get any answers or are you still hiding behind specious wordplay and convenient disappearances? Answers to what?
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Post by chrisj on Mar 20, 2005 18:41:37 GMT 1
OK, lets play the game then. Your 'answer' to my question about your definition of the English was as devious a bit of waffle as I've met since.. well, since the last time you posted. 'Those who define themselves as English' is a start, but the qualification that they need be accepted by all other English gives a veto to all and makes a nonsense of the whole thing. You clearly don't believe that, say Parmjit Dhanda (my MP, nice chap for a Labour member) gets to veto you. So who do you believe should have the right to judge other's qualifications in this respect? (I know what the party line is, both the public 'official' one and the one that gets sung by your leaders when they didn't know the cameras were about. What was it? Something about "shooting n*****s" if they don't get out of your town, I believe.) Next, you avoided answering the questions concerning the relationship between the level of political activity by the BNP in a particular area, and the level of racist violence in that area. (Again, I know the stats, just like to get your take.) You won't tell us your view of racist violence. You still won't tell us if you believe the Holocaust happened. You still won't tell us how long a family has to have been established in this country before you will accept it as British. I'll add one more since I'm asking: Given your concerns that for a man of your 'principles', revealing your identity would put you, your family and your employment at risk, what is your view of the neo-nazi website 'Redwatch', which publishes photos, names, 'phone numbers and addresses of anti-nazis and anyone else your average 'Stormfront' regular wouldn't like - just so the Stormfronters can 'pay them a visit'. Please don't give us the usual 'They started it' or 'What do you think I think' bullsh!t. Just answer.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 22, 2005 22:33:24 GMT 1
Ethnic minorities rarely - if ever - describe themselves as 'English' without qualification. Most prefer the term 'British', which no native of these Islands naturally uses, and would further qualify the term with a prefix or suffix: black, Asian, Pakistani etc. Few 'efnics' were seen at such English events as the Rugby World Cup Parade or Queen Mother's funeral, despite the fact these were held in London, which is one third immigrant. A white who has a foreign-born parent or parents will feel English if he is born here, owing to his physical similarity to the native population, and to a lesser culturally (similar family structure, likely to be nominal mainstream Protestant or Catholic - no mosque, temple or pentecostal churchgoing etc.) Steve Sailer (http://www.isteve.com - check him out to see that 'race exists'), a pretty 'non-racist' source, describes race as 'one big slightly inbred extended family'. Do enlighten me with the racist violence / BNP campaigning statistics. I have a feeling it may be a very old half truth relating to the Isle of Dogs. 'Racial violence' is fairly meaningless, as the definition racial attack is somewhat subjective. Certainly Burnley, Halifax, Keighly etc. have not descended into bouts of Mosque burning and pitched battles in the street since the election of BNP councillors. The vast majority of interracial violence is comitted against whites. Enough of the holocaust already Frankly, the subject is irrelevent, a crime committed in a foreign country that my ancestors risked their lives fighting. Nobody denies that the Jews suffered under the Nazis, and that huge numbers dies in concentration camps. Huge numbers died as a result of Allied bombing raids targetting civilians in Tokyo and Dresden. Historians should be free to examine historical evidence and interpret it as they see fit. People are starting to see through the "feel guilty and never stand up for yourself" subtext of the endless shoving of the Shoa down our throats. Wanting England to stay popualted by Englishmen doesn't equate with wanting non-English rounded up in cattle trucks, except in the lurid imaginations of a few. 'Redwatch' is a proscribed organisation for BNP members. It is almost certainly a state honey trap. I've not heard any of the ugly misfits featured on its pages subsequently being assualted as has happened to Councillor Marsden, Mick Treacey, female councillors in Burnley etc. Or having had the windows of their home repeatedly broken as has happened to Angela Clarke, or been beaten in their own home with an iron bar as happened to Mike Newland a few years back. Still I'm sure you are unconcerned as all these are 'Nazis', and had it coming.
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Post by islay malt on Mar 23, 2005 10:14:13 GMT 1
Cynical, I really can't be @rsed to go through your 'copy and paste' propoganda in detail, but would ask a couple of questions.
I know some families, through work, who have lived on the Indian sud-continent for 2 generations. Who should they support when England play cricket agains India?
I have family in New Zealand. They can't wait for the Lions tour, and have had shirts sent over to them. Should they be deported, or astracised?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 23, 2005 11:53:43 GMT 1
Ethnic minorities rarely - if ever - describe themselves as 'English' without qualification. Most prefer the term 'British', which no native of these Islands naturally uses, and would further qualify the term with a prefix or suffix: black, Asian, Pakistani etc. Few 'efnics' were seen at such English events as the Rugby World Cup Parade or Queen Mother's funeral, despite the fact these were held in London, which is one third immigrant. A white who has a foreign-born parent or parents will feel English if he is born here, owing to his physical similarity to the native population, and to a lesser culturally (similar family structure, likely to be nominal mainstream Protestant or Catholic - no mosque, temple or pentecostal churchgoing etc.) Steve Sailer (http://www.isteve.com - check him out to see that 'race exists'), a pretty 'non-racist' source, describes race as 'one big slightly inbred extended family'. Do enlighten me with the racist violence / BNP campaigning statistics. I have a feeling it may be a very old half truth relating to the Isle of Dogs. 'Racial violence' is fairly meaningless, as the definition racial attack is somewhat subjective. Certainly Burnley, Halifax, Keighly etc. have not descended into bouts of Mosque burning and pitched battles in the street since the election of BNP councillors. The vast majority of interracial violence is comitted against whites. Enough of the holocaust already Frankly, the subject is irrelevent, a crime committed in a foreign country that my ancestors risked their lives fighting. Nobody denies that the Jews suffered under the Nazis, and that huge numbers dies in concentration camps. Huge numbers died as a result of Allied bombing raids targetting civilians in Tokyo and Dresden. Historians should be free to examine historical evidence and interpret it as they see fit. People are starting to see through the "feel guilty and never stand up for yourself" subtext of the endless shoving of the Shoa down our throats. Wanting England to stay popualted by Englishmen doesn't equate with wanting non-English rounded up in cattle trucks, except in the lurid imaginations of a few. 'Redwatch' is a proscribed organisation for BNP members. It is almost certainly a state honey trap. I've not heard any of the ugly misfits featured on its pages subsequently being assualted as has happened to Councillor Marsden, Mick Treacey, female councillors in Burnley etc. Or having had the windows of their home repeatedly broken as has happened to Angela Clarke, or been beaten in their own home with an iron bar as happened to Mike Newland a few years back. Still I'm sure you are unconcerned as all these are 'Nazis', and had it coming. I describe myself as British, on census forms i class myself as "white British", i could put English, but thats not what i consider myself. I didnt go to the queen mums funeral nor did i have any interest in it. Didnt go to the rugby parade, nor cheer when we won the world cup, beat germany in footy, cry at Dianas funeral, fly a union jack during the falklands war, because none of these things intersted me that much. Am i not English/British. Does this mean that i have no right to be here, i am an alien and should be deported. A white with foreign born parents is white and will therefore mix quite readily, ie, will not stand out in anyway and be subject to the same decrimination (an easy target) as someone with dark skin. Can i ask, how do french, germans, americans, italians, ect fair in your world view when they come to live here. They are immigrants and have a different culture to us. Does there skin colour matter then or not? Checked out Steve Sailers web site. Do you really expect me to take seriously the race relations ramblings of a man who is pictured proudly standing next to margaret thatcher, the queen of equality and social harmony Racial violence is meaningless? well didnt see that one coming. We are not talking about interracial violence, we are talking about racial violence. The two are completely different. Holocaust. Yes i believe that historians should be allowed to interpret what happened. Can you name me one historian who has examined the death camps and come to the conclusion that it never happened, which is the line that your kind seem to favour. What is "shoa" England populated by Englishmen? should we send the welsh and scots home to? As for BNP members being assaulted, then that of coarse should be subject to the full force of the law, but if you live by the sword then you die by it. Cynical, i asked your mate Aryan a question about St Georges day, he was a turkish immigrant. Will you be celebrating St Georges day?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 23, 2005 12:01:19 GMT 1
absolute tosh from Cynical once again
I was in Coimbra with the England fans and there were hundreds of asian, black, chinese, whatever you want to call them, in with the england fans, wearing england shirts, supporting england because they are from england
One of the most surreal experiences of my life was a young Asian from london leading a couple of hundred England fans in a rendition of "There were ten German bombers in the air"
oh yeah, when I watched England vs Croatia on the big screen in Porto city centre the only difference between me and the other England fans was that I was not wearing a turban
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Post by chrisj on Mar 23, 2005 18:58:15 GMT 1
Ethnic minorities rarely - if ever - describe themselves as 'English' without qualification. Most prefer the term 'British', which no native of these Islands naturally uses, and would further qualify the term with a prefix or suffix: black, Asian, Pakistani etc. Few 'efnics' were seen at such English events as the Rugby World Cup Parade or Queen Mother's funeral, despite the fact these were held in London, which is one third immigrant. A white who has a foreign-born parent or parents will feel English if he is born here, owing to his physical similarity to the native population, and to a lesser culturally (similar family structure, likely to be nominal mainstream Protestant or Catholic - no mosque, temple or pentecostal churchgoing etc.) Steve Sailer (http://www.isteve.com - check him out to see that 'race exists'), a pretty 'non-racist' source, describes race as 'one big slightly inbred extended family'. Which is a waffly way of avoiding the question yet again; I asked what your criteria were. Still, you have given enough hints that it is based on colour of skin, so no surprises there. (Oh, btw, Steve Sailer, non-racist? ) Do enlighten me with the racist violence / BNP campaigning statistics. I have a feeling it may be a very old half truth relating to the Isle of Dogs. 'Racial violence' is fairly meaningless, as the definition racial attack is somewhat subjective. Certainly Burnley, Halifax, Keighly etc. have not descended into bouts of Mosque burning and pitched battles in the street since the election of BNP councillors. Really? I seem to remember Burnley, Bradford and Oldham as having quite a few problems since your nasty little vermin targetted the area. The vast majority of interracial violence is comitted against whites. Most racially motivated attacks are commited against blacks or Asians. Enough of the holocaust already Frankly, the subject is irrelevent, a crime committed in a foreign country that my ancestors risked their lives fighting. Nobody denies that the Jews suffered under the Nazis, and that huge numbers dies in concentration camps. Huge numbers died as a result of Allied bombing raids targetting civilians in Tokyo and Dresden. Historians should be free to examine historical evidence and interpret it as they see fit. People are starting to see through the "feel guilty and never stand up for yourself" subtext of the endless shoving of the Shoa down our throats. Wanting England to stay popualted by Englishmen doesn't equate with wanting non-English rounded up in cattle trucks, except in the lurid imaginations of a few. I'll bet you hate people bringing it up, don't you? You really hate the fact that the Holocaust, along with the Balkan 'ethnic cleansing' is an unambiguous demonstration of wwhat happens when you base your politics on race. The BNP strategy for a few years now has been to try to distance itself publically from that sort of stuff, but it's done nothing to change the private views of its members. (It was "shooting n*****s" that chap was singing about, wasn't it? Or are you going to claim the liberal media tricked him into it? Funny, I can't imagine how I could be tricked into that sort of thing...) I don't expect anyone who wasn't there to feel guilty for the holocaust. I do expect people to take responsibility for their words and actions. If you treat people as representatives of a racial category rather than as individuals, (which you clearly do) you have begun to dehumanise them. There's enough hard research in the psychological literature about where that leads to tell me I don't need to look for cattle trucks in the BNP manifesto. That's what racism is all about. 'Redwatch' is a proscribed organisation for BNP members. So is C18. I seem to remember Militant was proscribed for Labour members too. As you like making up statistics, tell us how many members of the BNP were actually expelled solely for membership of the organisation it founded? It is almost certainly a state honey trap. Nice one, Centurion! I've not heard any of the ugly misfits featured on its pages subsequently being assualted as has happened to Councillor Marsden, Mick Treacey, female councillors in Burnley etc. Or having had the windows of their home repeatedly broken as has happened to Angela Clarke, or been beaten in their own home with an iron bar as happened to Mike Newland a few years back. Still I'm sure you are unconcerned as all these are 'Nazis', and had it coming. D'you know, you might, finally, have said something true. I really don't give a flying f*** for the physical wellbeing of any member of the BNP. Do you really want me to weep for people who support those whose political tactics include racially motivated assault, murder and arson? Those who live by the sword and all that. And you still haven't answered all the questions, but you never will because you can't.
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