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Post by shrewforever on Feb 15, 2005 23:58:05 GMT 1
no doubt a rousing reception for Mr Quinn on his return to The Meadow next season............ providing of course we stay up(just for the doubters) and genial Barry doesnt sack him first of course I need em to come down losing my local Cambridge away fixture and possibly Rushden as well? ??
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2005 1:09:31 GMT 1
Quinn is an arrogant loser
frankly a twit, and thinks he is a God
the more they lose the better for the sake of football
Barry Fry and Jimmy Quinn manage to fit just about all I hate about football into one balding fat dugout than anywhere else I know
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Post by rob on Feb 16, 2005 1:20:17 GMT 1
surprised you say this... Reguardless of what anyone says he did a job for STFC, he is probably the first manager for ages that actually did his job "properly". He also left before things went seriously wrong. Personally I would applaud him
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2005 1:27:06 GMT 1
total poppycock Robert
sit down and have a chat with GP aboput the previous regime
we are here more by luck than judgement
we are here because of Jake's youth policy and the signings of Tinson and Howie
goign back into the league and signing non league players?
playing golf during training?
bet he never learned that on his UEFA Pro licence
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Post by mysticmurray on Feb 16, 2005 1:29:08 GMT 1
Jimmy Quinn makes me want to say "Fnnnnarg!!!!"
and spit at passers by...
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Post by rob on Feb 16, 2005 3:22:03 GMT 1
reguardless of what he did and didnt do.
The record reads.
03/04 conference promotion, manager Jimmy Quinn.
And to be fair his signings that season (which were crucial) turned out to be good signings for us, most playing a part in taking us up.
Yes we were pants, yes thinks were crap off the pitch (as well as on the pitch) but we still went up.
I seem to remember people saying it didnt matter how we went up, as long as went up.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Feb 16, 2005 3:27:18 GMT 1
he is probably the first manager for ages that actually did his job "properly". Absolute B*LLOX Rob Not being there at training; not speaking to certain players for weeks on end; signing dross then paying off their contracts at great expense; senior pros questioning both his inept, disorganised training and his tactical awareness.......... the list is endless. If that is doing his job properly, then I'm a male prostitute!!!!!
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Post by mortgage hound on Feb 16, 2005 5:44:06 GMT 1
listen guys its results that count - fact.
JQ did the job asked of him but did not have the ability to progress to the next level.
By the way I would'nt advertise about male prostitutes at the gay meadow my friend
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 9:36:20 GMT 1
Quinn is an arrogant loser frankly a twit, and thinks he is a God the more they lose the better for the sake of football Barry Fry and Jimmy Quinn manage to fit just about all I hate about football into one balding fat dugout than anywhere else I know I am very surprised that such immature comment come from yourself Dave
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 9:56:46 GMT 1
total poppycock Robert we are here more by luck than judgement we are here because of Jake's youth policy and the signings of Tinson and Howie goign back into the league and signing non league players? Our decline was started by jake king signing non league players which ultimately led to relegation to the Conference under Ratcliffe. No matter how unconvincing it may appear that STFC won promotion and wether we like it or not the fact is Quinn was responsible for taking us back to league footie as much as Ratcliffe was responsible for relegation with some exciting attacking football and no defence. Finally,I don't care what anyone says but teams do not get promoted by luck. Regarding our Play off victories, it could be argued Quinn's management was pivotal in this 1, Signing Howie in the first place 2, plenty of preparation practising penalties (England national team have always failed to put enough importance on this, and we all no the result) 3 he even sent howie home with a tape of the oppositions pens. If he had'nt done this we would be in the Conference today. As has been said, the record books will state we were promoted under Quinn and he has to be given credit for that regardless of how poorly we may think he did it, but clearly he was'nt able to take us to the next level and has left graciously. I don't think Quinn deserves the abuse he is getting for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 10:22:02 GMT 1
Quinn was a lucky manager - not a good one. But at the end of the day promotion was what we needed, and got.
I'd be surprised if Quinn got another team promoted mind.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2005 10:27:33 GMT 1
I did say the signings of Howie and Tinson were inspired, that is true, and Ridler too
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1) poor man management 2) ridiculous approach to backroom staff 3) our young player stagnating or becoming worse players 4) player after player frozen out of the club with us picking up the bill 5) well documented training methods 6) strange tactics, poor use of 4-3-3 and a lack of cohesive approach to the team 7) Responsible for some of the most abject performances I have ever seen. Not necessarily results, but performances. 8) poor decisions on some players, Karl Murray being the obvious example
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 10:28:57 GMT 1
Quinn is an arrogant loser frankly a twit, and thinks he is a God the more they lose the better for the sake of football Barry Fry and Jimmy Quinn manage to fit just about all I hate about football into one balding fat dugout than anywhere else I know Bit harsh Dave. As others have said, Quinn had many faults and looked out of his depth in the League. But he did exactly what was asked of him. As the B&A fanzine said at the time, let's not remember Quinn for the money he cost the club paying players off or the crap football, or the dodgy few months at the beginning of the season - let's remember him for the day in Stoke. And move on. He has. As for Barry Fry - love him or hate him, this is a guy who mortgaged his own house to keep a football club afloat. And nearly lost both. He make talk tosh at times, and he may not actually be the best manager in the world, but his honesty and love of the game surely can't be questioned....can it?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2005 10:37:23 GMT 1
it is just interesting that the Quinn effect at peterborough is just as some of us predicted
his record does look good, we won promotion back at the first attempt, and that was good for his CV
did he really leave in good grace? Or did he realise his lack of managerial ability was being found out so he dumped us while he could still get another job on the back of last year?
and as for Barry Fry, I know you need characters in the game and the rest of it but frankly £800k for Ricki Otto and over 50 professionals on the books at one time at Birmingham City! The bloke is a lot of fun but an absolute nutter!
But yes, Stoke was amazing, and we should always remember that brilliant day and all it was worth to us
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Post by Oldham Shrew on Feb 16, 2005 11:23:31 GMT 1
...also with Barnet coming up next season, that will be two good games for Peterborough. Just as Quinn picked us up out of the Conference, Barry brought Barnet up first time round.
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Post by faginy on Feb 16, 2005 11:24:09 GMT 1
stella fueled dave
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Feb 16, 2005 11:43:10 GMT 1
Did Quinn listen to - and talk to- supporters the way it's quite evident that G.P. does? I'm just enquiring- because, obviously, those of you who live locally, and have met players and managers regularly, know much better than I do. Quinn- yes, very intelligent signing with Howie- (or was that luck?) But, for what it's worth, I just got the feeling that Quinn just didn't like having to hang up his boots and admit his playing days were past. (Though, to his credit, he did manage to hit the back of the net a few times.) I often felt that Quinn's heart wasn't in management. He had a sort of cool and detached demeanor- no fire, no passion. (But that's just "woman's intuition" stuff- and reading body language. It may or may not be a valid comment.) Gary Peters seems just the opposite. Very animated, full of fire and passion. Perhaps he could impulsively blurt out comments that upset a few people now and then- but it's better than being a cold fish. At least people like him have the ability to fire people up and generate an atmosphere of hope, excitement and expectancy. (I've just been laughing at the comment at the foot of Dave's post!!! I could add that I've got a picture of Scott Howie on my wall here, in the "study"!!!!! It's that one taken at Stoke and published in "4-4-2" last July. Makes me smile every time I look at it.)
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Post by faginy on Feb 16, 2005 11:51:20 GMT 1
don't pay any attention to his slanderous signature wiggy
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Post by True_Shrew on Feb 16, 2005 12:06:47 GMT 1
b******s to the lot of you who have this vendetta against Quinny, Ratcliffe took us down- Quinny took us up. Is Ratcliffe unlucky for taking us down?
Damn right I would give that man a standing ovation and shame on on anyone who would boo him, some people have very VERY short memories about what he acheived and he left us with his dignity intact, like him or not he got your club playing league football again when the wish that seemed a very far away this time last year.
Why begrudge him his success? Fair enough the infrastucture who implemented was wrong- but FFS, look at the facts
One season- One promotion.
Don't look to what he left us, look at what he gave us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 12:21:29 GMT 1
There were good points and bad points about Quinn. In the end I think they cancel each other out. He signed a couple of very decent players, got us promotion at the first attempt and he left the club at the right time giving us plenty of time to appoint a new manager and turn things around.
Yes the football was terrible to watch at times and yes he wasted a lot of talent / money at his disposal. But 20 months ago I think everyone would have have taken the league position we are in at the moment.
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 16, 2005 12:34:27 GMT 1
I will certainly applaud JQ when he returns to the Meadow, for the following reasons :-
Signing Howie, Tinson and Ridler AND Sedgemore.
Giving us two days to remember, one againt Hereford and that fabulous day at Stoke.
Leaving us, whilst there was still time to change things.
Getting Dunbavin and Jagielka out of the club, God knows what Gary Peters would have made of that pair.
Sure, he made mistakes, but he also gave us some good times - be grateful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 12:55:17 GMT 1
Quinn was a lucky manager - not a good one. But at the end of the day promotion was what we needed, and got. I'd be surprised if Quinn got another team promoted mind. A good point. In fact you could argue that if we had had a good manager we might still be in the Conference as its a bit of a lottery (look at GT at Hereford still struggling to get out). No, in that league it is better to be lucky! Or even better still- good and lucky I have nothing against Quinn, after all he achieved his/our objective by getting us out of the Conference as quickly as possible. OK I think we all know we would have probably gone back there if he had stayed but he also did us a favour by leaving at the right time giving someone else plenty of time to save us. I hope he can get his career going somewhere else, thats if his luck has not all run out
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 13:05:50 GMT 1
I will certainly applaud JQ when he returns to the Meadow, for the following reasons :- Signing Howie, Tinson and Ridler AND Sedgemore. Giving us two days to remember, one againt Hereford and that fabulous day at Stoke. Leaving us, whilst there was still time to change things. Getting Dunbavin and Jagielka out of the club, God knows what Gary Peters would have made of that pair. Sure, he made mistakes, but he also gave us some good times - be grateful. And he had you thinking Tolley was a bad player for a while didnt he
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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 16, 2005 13:29:29 GMT 1
total poppycock Robert sit down and have a chat with GP aboput the previous regime Don't be such a gullible pratt TBH. GP isn't going to tell us the previous regime was brilliant is he? First law of taking over, blame the previous administration. Tony Blair got reelected in 2001 by doing exactly that. Yes, things weren't right under JQ, but he inherited problems too. And he quit sooner rather than later, unlike, say, Ratcliffe.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2005 13:38:15 GMT 1
I will certainly applaud JQ when he returns to the Meadow, for the following reasons :- Signing Howie, Tinson and Ridler AND Sedgemore. Giving us two days to remember, one againt Hereford and that fabulous day at Stoke. Leaving us, whilst there was still time to change things. Getting Dunbavin and Jagielka out of the club, God knows what Gary Peters would have made of that pair. Sure, he made mistakes, but he also gave us some good times - be grateful. This is a fair post I am preparing a Blair-esque U-Turn on this one
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Post by scooter on Feb 16, 2005 13:46:02 GMT 1
JQ did what he was brought here to do, and will deserve a round of applause if he returns.
I always liked Barry Fry, but I would never want him as manager here
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 16, 2005 13:47:43 GMT 1
I have never thought of Tolley as a bad player, ( well maybe Glen is ), but one that was not fulfilling his potential. Gary Peters said recently that both Jamie and Luke had not progressed over the last couple of years. I have been full of admiration for the way that Jamie has started to perform recently. Football is all about opinions, so it may be, Chaz, that you have been happy with Jamie's performances, prior to this season.
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Post by john on Feb 16, 2005 13:50:26 GMT 1
and as for Barry Fry, I know you need characters in the game and the rest of it but frankly £800k for Ricki Otto and over 50 professionals on the books at one time at Birmingham City! In the Rothmans annual of 94/95 Birmingham had a section as all clubs did in alphabetical order then an extra section at the back because of their "over sized" squad. I met Barry Fry when he was at Barnet, found him to be a really nice bloke which was surprising with all the run ins he was having at the time with Stan Flashman...I would of thought he would be grumpy. at Birmingham Fry became a loud mouth who could spend money "willy nilly" and traet players anyway he liked. Now see who Quinn takes after.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 14:08:25 GMT 1
I have never thought of Tolley as a bad player, ( well maybe Glen is ), but one that was not fulfilling his potential. Gary Peters said recently that both Jamie and Luke had not progressed over the last couple of years. I have been full of admiration for the way that Jamie has started to perform recently. Football is all about opinions, so it may be, Chaz, that you have been happy with Jamie's performances, prior to this season. Excuse my flippant remark Exkeeper (I think its called making hay while the sun shines). Not wanting to sabotage the thread- we have all seen Jamie have good and bad spells in the past but you are right, his development stalled under the likes of Quinn and now seems to have kick started under GP. Hes still only 21 and I am sure there is plenty of learning left in him yet. I said on another recent thread that he should be looking to emulate Bernard McNally's achievement in the game at a minimum (thats excluding becoming manager of Telford of course )
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 16, 2005 14:16:00 GMT 1
Chaz, he has improved beyond belief under GP. I said to my mate IRJBA coming away from Bury, "we missed Tolley, tonight". It's unlikely that I would have thought that last season.
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