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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 18:25:06 GMT 1
AAhh well, Atleast 1 good thing came out of today, A sensible player, who deserves to start, will start our next few matches If you're talking about Granty then yup I'd agree with you, he's done well in the last couple of matches. It's amazing how us town fans sometimes seem to change our minds over night. When Grant came on as a sub just before Christmas he was practically booed everytime he touched the ball.
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Post by Ty on Jan 3, 2005 18:25:09 GMT 1
It doesn't make a difference how someone is sent off, they still get the same punishment. I'm willing to wager Mossy has spent more time suspended in recent times than Rodgers, as a result of idiotic, dangerous challenges. That is just as stupid as pushing someone, if not worse. Would you rather be shoved to the ground childishly or take a stud covered boot to the knee? The general argument here seems to be that while Mossy gets sent off lots, he still plays well. It's not often that you will see Luke Rodgers playing badly either to be fair, granted he doesn't get the goals anymore but he certainly doesn't play badly. He was a very stupid boy today and will be punished as such, but to say 'I hope he never plays for us again' and suchlike is ridiculous. I'm willing to wager Mossy spends more time in the team than Luke, therefore he may have been suspended more. What is the point in a striker playing well and not scoring? It's like having a goalkeeper playing well and not saving the ball, bloody pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 18:26:25 GMT 1
I'm willing to wager Mossy spends more time in the team than Luke, therefore he may have been suspended more. What is the point in a striker playing well and not scoring? It's like having a goalkeeper playing well and not saving the ball, bloody pointless. Kelvin Langmead should be dropped from the starting XI then as he's playing well but not scoring?
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Post by DiggerDave on Jan 3, 2005 18:29:09 GMT 1
Luke hasn t been playing well though
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 3, 2005 18:29:24 GMT 1
I'm willing to wager Mossy spends more time in the team than Luke, therefore he may have been suspended more. What is the point in a striker playing well and not scoring? It's like having a goalkeeper playing well and not saving the ball, bloody pointless. What a silly comparision. Maybe you should start slagging Langmead off for playing well and not scoring too, what a bloody disgrace eh! Thing is, if a keeper isn't saving the ball, he is failing at his one task on the football field. You can't not save the ball yet play well. As a striker, even if you aren't scoring you can still provide for others, or as Rodgers does simply pull players out of the game with his running and create space for others. You can't go from being a great player to being an awful one. Give Luke a run in the reserves to find his scoring touch then see where he goes from there.
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Post by Ty on Jan 3, 2005 18:29:54 GMT 1
Langmead scored a couple of weeks ago, Rodgers hasnt scored in 14 games, slightly different.
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Post by rob on Jan 3, 2005 18:30:03 GMT 1
Are you reffering to grant Geoff???
because up untill a couple of games ago you and many others were clamouring to tell him where he could stick his footballing performances....
As for rodgers when was his last sending off???
I honestly can't remeber.
What I don know tho' is that Mossy wasnt sent off against Chester for making a worth while tackle....
And his first booking against Notts County was for "tangling" with a County player. Then there are the constant needless yellow cards.
I remeber people after Chester saying Mossy shouldnt play for the club, that he'd spent a third of the season suspended and that he was a silly "t**t". Do they still think this???
Appropo chester-he was sent off within 20 minutes. No-one blamed him for the fact that we only drew 1-1.
Why blame Luke for the fact that our team conceded 3 goals within 14 minutes against 10 men???
consistancy.
Thought Luke was the leading goalscorer with 4 league goals.....
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 3, 2005 18:32:15 GMT 1
If you're talking about Granty then yup I'd agree with you, he's done well in the last couple of matches. It's amazing how us town fans sometimes seem to change our minds over night. When Grant came on as a sub just before Christmas he was practically booed everytime he touched the ball. you hold an opinion based on what you see we don;t love Rodgers because of what he was two years ago, we think fo him how he is now just like we don;t think of grant like he played in November, we judge him how he is now that is not being fickle, that is just seeing what is in front of you and making an opinion Rodgers has got away with murder Since the start of 2001/2002 season he has had Bookings:40 Red Cards: 5 But then I guess his 61 goals make him who he is GP has defended him to the hilt
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 3, 2005 18:32:26 GMT 1
Langmead scored a couple of weeks ago, Rodgers hasnt scored in 14 games, slightly different. Leaving him behind Jake Sedgemore in the scoring chart, and level with Richard Logan. You don't have to score goals to play well.
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Post by Ty on Jan 3, 2005 18:33:11 GMT 1
You can't go from being a great player to being an awful one. Give Luke a run in the reserves to find his scoring touch then see where he goes from there. When was Luke a great player? If he was a great player he wouldnt still be here, he was fairly good when he got in the team, but he aint the same now, he isnt as quick, defenders have cottoned on to his game, and he isnt the player he was.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 3, 2005 18:35:25 GMT 1
When was Luke a great player? If he was a great player he wouldnt still be here, he was fairly good when he got in the team, but he aint the same now, he isnt as quick, defenders have cottoned on to his game, and he isnt the player he was. He's not here because we wouldn't let him go to Crewe. He scored a stupid amount of goals 2 seasons running, Quinn arrives and Jemmo leaves, all goes downhill. I'm starting to think that maybe you really are Duncan from Blue....
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Post by rob on Jan 3, 2005 18:35:50 GMT 1
he's here Ty because at various times Crewe,Derby and cardif have had bids rejected along with PNE I think (?)
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Post by gra on Jan 3, 2005 18:36:40 GMT 1
gp has said it WAS NOT a sending off the ref has f*cked up again, the 4th official has supported gp`s opinion, gp is taking the positives out of the match, let us all do the same, a win on saturday at rushden is vital, lets not get too disheartened after 2 good home performances and pushing the league leaders closely
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Post by Ty on Jan 3, 2005 18:37:18 GMT 1
He's not here because we wouldn't let him go to Crewe. He scored a stupid amount of goals 2 seasons running, Quinn arrives and Jemmo leaves, all goes downhill. I'm starting to think that maybe you really are Duncan from Blue.... So this great striker off ours can only play well when playing with Jemson? Bit of a worry seeing Jemmo is pushing 40 now.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 3, 2005 18:39:48 GMT 1
So this great striker off ours can only play well when playing with Jemson? Bit of a worry seeing Jemmo is pushing 40 now. I think he did well with Cramb aswell at the start of the promotion season (I could be wrong), and it wasn't until Quinn started ****ing about playing himself and bringing in Darby that the problems started. No coincidence that Lukes downfall came under Quinn, who didn't have a clue how to bring the best out of him.
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Post by Ty on Jan 3, 2005 18:40:39 GMT 1
Leaving him behind Jake Sedgemore in the scoring chart, and level with Richard Logan. You don't have to score goals to play well. You have to do your job in the team to play well, if your Tinson or Walton you defend and stop the other team scoring, if your Rodgers or Grant your score goals.
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Post by duncowshrew on Jan 3, 2005 18:40:41 GMT 1
The answer is simple. Stick him on the transfer list and lets see if any managers share the same feelings as some of those on these boards who think he is a great player. Any club offering K10 should have their hands ripped off.Failing that,shove him in the reserves for the rest of his last season at the Meadow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 18:43:15 GMT 1
gp has said it WAS NOT a sending off the ref has f*cked up again, the 4th official has supported gp`s opinion, gp is taking the positives out of the match, let us all do the same, a win on saturday at rushden is vital, lets not get too disheartened after 2 good home performances and pushing the league leaders closely Excellent post
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 18:44:01 GMT 1
Its amazing how selective football fans can be when they have someone that is flavour of the month. John Grant a few weeks was considered a laughing stock but because he has a couple of good games which we win then he is a good player. Had we lost and Grant still had the same level of performance then I can almost guarantee that people would be criticising him because of their perceived impression of him Luke Rodgers a few weeks ago was a class, hard working player and it eventually will come right, a different league to someone like John Grant. Now because of todays stupidity (no other word for it) he is a liability, waste of space, shouldn't play for us again Trevor Challis a few months ago was one of the best players at the club, a model pro, one of the best left backs we've had for a long time. Now because he's moved back to Bristol, given a stupid interview and had a go at a fan he is overrated, not good enough for league footbakll etc. Kelvin Langmead is currently flavour of the month (rightly so after his performances) but I can guarantee you that in a few months if he isn't scoring and we aren't getting results people will be saying that if he isn't scoring he shouldnt be in the team (despite him still having the excellent performances) As I've said before its just amazing how selective people want to be. Im just as guilty as anyone because had it been an average player I don't particuarly like (I won't name names and he had got sent off and arguably cost us the game then I would be shouting for him to never play for us again, however as it was Rodgers who is still one of our better players then I don't want that to happen.
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Post by pawlo on Jan 3, 2005 18:44:07 GMT 1
He got sent off, doesnt mean he has done anything wrong.
Cant help thinking peole may be being a bit quick to condemn him.
If he has punched someone and deserves to get sent off, then fine, but it doesnt sound quite so clear cut from what ive been hearing.
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Post by soupie on Jan 3, 2005 18:47:16 GMT 1
Right i'm sure someone in the 'clique' ( ) will be slating Rodgers big time tonight. Just remember the number of goals he has scored for this club in the past. Many players have been sent off in games before, don't just jump on the bandwagon because we lost the game today - we didn't expect anything from the game so concentrate on the positives from the match Well done Phil - the best post of this thread. As someone said - when was the last time Rodgers got sent off? His discipliniary record - although not perfect - has improved considersbly (I think : in the last twelve months. As for the comments that he has been playing badly - well each to his own opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's been missing from his game has been goals. Alright, an important part of a striker's game I know, but as I posted on another thread, now that Town have started scoring a few, when Luke does get an extended run, the pressure won't be on him so much and the goals will strt coming again. A text on Radio Shropshire said that Town fans are among the most fickle - I agree, and a lot of them have posted here tonight.
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Post by rob on Jan 3, 2005 18:51:04 GMT 1
great post soupie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 18:52:59 GMT 1
Well done Phil - the best post of this thread. As someone said - when was the last time Rodgers got sent off? His discipliniary record - although not perfect - has improved considersbly (I think : in the last twelve months. As for the comments that he has been playing badly - well each to his own opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's been missing from his game has been goals. Alright, an important part of a striker's game I know, but as I posted on another thread, now that Town have started scoring a few, when Luke does get an extended run, the pressure won't be on him so much and the goals will strt coming again. A text on Radio Shropshire said that Town fans are among the most fickle - I agree, and a lot of them have posted here tonight. Don't say this often, but I agree with you 100% Dad Hopefully, Luke may be available for selection on Saturday.
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Post by dachs on Jan 3, 2005 20:13:10 GMT 1
striker Almost everyone agreed Cramb was moody and he should leave the club, after 7 bookings in 39 games last season I don't recall many saying he should leave because he'd racked up some bookings. There's far too much overreaction on here, some people honestly don't seem able to remember anything that happened more than two games ago. Suddenly Sedge is great, Grant is great, Edwards is amazing, Moss and Rodgers are liabilities. It's beyond idiotic in places.
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Post by The anti clique on Jan 3, 2005 20:27:46 GMT 1
The typical awful standard quality of debate usually offered up by the clique on B&A. Pathetic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 21:12:13 GMT 1
The typical awful standard quality of debate usually offered up by the clique on B&A. Pathetic Yes, god damn us all for having differing opinions on a controversial subject. Loser. Or wind-up merchant. Or both.
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Post by Hampshire Supporter on Jan 3, 2005 21:50:45 GMT 1
Clearly the turning point was his departure. I would however take a good few things out of today. When I compare the way we played against Leyton Orient we were dire. Today we were not. Yeovil clearly the best side in the league on possibly the best surface in the league as well. We could have been 2 or 3 down at the break but we battled and hung on in there. I thought Luke made the difference in the 2nd half. If GP can manage him I am sure he will come through this and play his part. Impressed with Langmead and the re-born Tolley and Edwards.
Keep the faith everyone!
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Post by jamo on Jan 3, 2005 22:06:29 GMT 1
The typical awful standard quality of debate usually offered up by the clique on B&A. Pathetic Anyone else think that this knob is that professor type bloke who used to lecture everyone on here...still sulking it would appear.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 3, 2005 22:17:24 GMT 1
Great to see Luke back, he scared the s**te out of the Yeovil back four with his pace and help turn the game our way...shame he were sent off but I'm glad he's back and I hope he starts on saturday...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2005 22:22:38 GMT 1
Thought the Yeovil fans were great today, really vocal, really supportive and in general were a pleasant well informed group of supporters! I THINK NOT Yeovil were 1-0 up, top of the league, playing great passing football and I could hear individual insults from the stands! Terrible atmosphere. On the serious side, think Luke did cost us a point doubt we would have held it at 2-1 as Yeovil looked a well drilled team and were excellent on the ball. End of the day he raised his fists and you can't do that, daft and needless. Kinda strange feeling coming back because I was disappointed but proud if that makes sense. Disappointed we didn't get a point at least after wataching an encouraging battling display and proub becuase I honestly thought we were gonna get a whopping-that scoreline certainly fails to reflect the fight we put up. IF we play like that on Sat we'll easily beat Rushden (i hope). Final note, thought the ref was spot on very fair had no choice with either sending off-how often can we say that after a game!
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