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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 12, 2024 17:25:47 GMT 1
Iv signed up for it today.when i heard it been announced I did have mixed feelings.
Our council is in a mess financially.
It's human nature to resent paying more, when I feel I'm paying a lot in council tax already.
The additional factors is years of cuts from the government in financial support for councils.
I also feel our council has not been well run in comparison to Telford.
At least the council are trying to find ways out of the mess they are in . what I hope is that in the future it will be better managed. It will be interesting to see what labour do about the councils as many seem to be on the brink of bankruptcy.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 16, 2024 11:13:30 GMT 1
I've turfed all my back garden. No flowerbeds left.
A guy comes every 3 weeks to mow the lawn. He takes the cuttings away.
The estate already has contractors to mow the front lawns.
So I've told them ever so politely to stuff their green bin and take it away.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 17, 2024 7:51:33 GMT 1
this is worthy of a debate
I had a big grass bank outside my house that the council seem to cut only when it gets to the point that someone has clearly reported it as overgrown
when they do cut it they just leave the cuttings where they drop
im wondering what the outcome will be if I tip my cuttings and hedge trimmings on the bank too
or what is the best way to approach this ? a community share or what ?
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Post by lynch on Sept 17, 2024 8:05:33 GMT 1
Community compost. Though what you do with all the compost is a fair question.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 17, 2024 8:43:04 GMT 1
I've signed up as my wife is a very keen gardener, so much so that we've 'annexed' a bit of land next door. I'm not particularly happy about it as pay enough in taxes as it is but I recognise that it's a small price to pay to keep her happy
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2024 9:14:47 GMT 1
Thankfully (in this case) I'm in Telford.
But extra charges like this arent really on, dont you pay community charge. It should be part of this.
I'd be inclined to put garden waste in a black bag and shove it in the normal bin, and I'd guess I'm not on my own here.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 17, 2024 9:23:15 GMT 1
We signed up, quite a big garden
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 17, 2024 9:56:43 GMT 1
Thankfully (in this case) I'm in Telford. But extra charges like this arent really on, dont you pay community charge. It should be part of this. I'd be inclined to put garden waste in a black bag and shove it in the normal bin, and I'd guess I'm not on my own here. No scrapped after poll tax riots The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of local taxation introduced by Margaret Thatcher's government whereby each taxpayer was taxed the same fixed sum (a "poll tax" or "head tax"), with the precise amount being set by each local authority. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Dothill Davy |
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 17, 2024 10:07:55 GMT 1
I've signed up. Our binmen are very good. Perhaps it's because I'm always good for a few quid at Christmas. I wouldn't want any Juan to lose their job. In the winter, I very much doubt there'll be any fing in it.
What does annoy me, is fust of all it was going to be £52.00, then it's 56. The council tax was going to be 4.99, then when it came through it was 5.2. Bit sly that.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Sept 17, 2024 12:18:34 GMT 1
My council (Harborough) have been charging for this for years but now the price has gone up to over £60 per annum. I am wondering whether its now worth it as I could bag the waste and take it to the local recycling centre which is only a few minutes drive away.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 17, 2024 12:50:09 GMT 1
My council (Harborough) have been charging for this for years but now the price has gone up to over £60 per annum. I am wondering whether its now worth it as I could bag the waste and take it to the local recycling centre which is only a few minutes drive away. All those "just a few minutes" drives will add up to a considerable cost and take a lot of your time. Will you really save anything? |
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Post by venceremos on Sept 17, 2024 12:56:41 GMT 1
It's common practice for councils to charge for green waste collections now, so I'm disappointed but not surprised Shropshire are doing it.
I think it's indicative of the lip service most of our politicians pay to environmental matters. There are always more pressing concerns for them and few take the environment seriously.
The cost should simply be included in the council tax charge (which itself urgently needs reforming but that's another subject), not become an added extra.
This backward step will result in more fly tipping, more hazardous, polluting garden fires, and more green waste being bagged into general waste collection (even though they say that's not allowed).
What I also struggle to comprehend is why kitchen waste, which can now go into the green waste bin, can no longer be collected with green waste after this change. We now have to pay for the same service but the service is worse? I'll remember that when the next local elections come around.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2024 12:57:41 GMT 1
My council (Harborough) have been charging for this for years but now the price has gone up to over £60 per annum. I am wondering whether its now worth it as I could bag the waste and take it to the local recycling centre which is only a few minutes drive away. All those "just a few minutes" drives will add up to a considerable cost and take a lot of your time. Will you really save anything? Probably not, but he will feel better in himself spending his money how he wants to, not giving it to the council to waste on the many things that councils waste money on. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2024 13:01:01 GMT 1
Thankfully (in this case) I'm in Telford. But extra charges like this arent really on, dont you pay community charge. It should be part of this. I'd be inclined to put garden waste in a black bag and shove it in the normal bin, and I'd guess I'm not on my own here. No scrapped after poll tax riots The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of local taxation introduced by Margaret Thatcher's government whereby each taxpayer was taxed the same fixed sum (a "poll tax" or "head tax"), with the precise amount being set by each local authority. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Dothill Davy Sorry I meant Council tax not Community Charge. Couldnt think of what's it was actually called. It's an age thing..... |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 17, 2024 13:09:06 GMT 1
No scrapped after poll tax riots The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of local taxation introduced by Margaret Thatcher's government whereby each taxpayer was taxed the same fixed sum (a "poll tax" or "head tax"), with the precise amount being set by each local authority. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Dothill Davy Sorry I meant Council tax not Community Charge. Couldnt think of what's it was actually called. It's an age thing..... The way I see it is everyone used to pay the same for garden waste removal, it was collected for free by the council but paid for through council tax. Council Tax is under pressure after years of reductions in central funding so now you only pay if you need it collecting. Northwestman can choose not to pay cos he doesn’t need it, Minormorris is happy to pay cos he’s got a big garden. Seems fair. |
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Post by harboroughshrew on Sept 17, 2024 13:14:58 GMT 1
My council (Harborough) have been charging for this for years but now the price has gone up to over £60 per annum. I am wondering whether its now worth it as I could bag the waste and take it to the local recycling centre which is only a few minutes drive away. All those "just a few minutes" drives will add up to a considerable cost and take a lot of your time. Will you really save anything? The tip is less than a mile away (assuming it stays open) so its probably a saving over the year (and I do have plenty of time on my hands) but I just think the price of the service has got a bit steep. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 13:42:23 GMT 1
I've signed up as my wife is a very keen gardener, so much so that we've 'annexed' a bit of land next door. I'm not particularly happy about it as pay enough in taxes as it is but I recognise that it's a small price to pay to keep her happy Very sensible, iv been married for 35 year, I learnt very early on the Best way for a peacfull happy life, was to keep my wife happy |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 13:50:28 GMT 1
It's common practice for councils to charge for green waste collections now, so I'm disappointed but not surprised Shropshire are doing it. I think it's indicative of the lip service most of our politicians pay to environmental matters. There are always more pressing concerns for them and few take the environment seriously. The cost should simply be included in the council tax charge (which itself urgently needs reforming but that's another subject), not become an added extra. This backward step will result in more fly tipping, more hazardous, polluting garden fires, and more green waste being bagged into general waste collection (even though they say that's not allowed). What I also struggle to comprehend is why kitchen waste, which can now go into the green waste bin, can no longer be collected with green waste after this change. We now have to pay for the same service but the service is worse? I'll remember that when the next local elections come around. In response to "the council tax needs reforming" labour are looking at introducing more property bands ,at the same time they are considering introducing. A progressive property tax, your property will be revalued to reflect its current market price, for anyone who has owned a property for any length of time, the increase will be significant, the property will move up the bands and as I already pay £2,600 . I dread to think what that will mean. The final sting in the tail is your property will be valued every year. I agree with you about extra fly tipping, this happened when the recycling centers put up the price for companies to bring trade waste. |
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Post by venceremos on Sept 17, 2024 13:55:48 GMT 1
Sorry I meant Council tax not Community Charge. Couldnt think of what's it was actually called. It's an age thing..... The way I see it is everyone used to pay the same for garden waste removal, it was collected for free by the council but paid for through council tax. Council Tax is under pressure after years of reductions in central funding so now you only pay if you need it collecting. Northwestman can choose not to pay cos he doesn’t need it, Minormorris is happy to pay cos he’s got a big garden. Seems fair. Is it fair? Is it fair that I pay for social care if I don't use it? Is it fair that I pay for schools when I have no school age children? Tax and fairness should never be paired - we pay taxes for the wider benefits they bring, not just for what suits us. |
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Post by venceremos on Sept 17, 2024 13:58:41 GMT 1
It's common practice for councils to charge for green waste collections now, so I'm disappointed but not surprised Shropshire are doing it. I think it's indicative of the lip service most of our politicians pay to environmental matters. There are always more pressing concerns for them and few take the environment seriously. The cost should simply be included in the council tax charge (which itself urgently needs reforming but that's another subject), not become an added extra. This backward step will result in more fly tipping, more hazardous, polluting garden fires, and more green waste being bagged into general waste collection (even though they say that's not allowed). What I also struggle to comprehend is why kitchen waste, which can now go into the green waste bin, can no longer be collected with green waste after this change. We now have to pay for the same service but the service is worse? I'll remember that when the next local elections come around. In response to "the council tax needs reforming" labour are looking at introducing more property bands ,at the same time they are considering introducing. A progressive property tax, your property will be revalued to reflect its current market price, for anyone who has owned a property for any length of time, the increase will be significant, the property will move up the bands and as I already pay £2,600 . I dread to think what that will mean. The final sting in the tail is your property will be valued every year. I agree with you about extra fly tipping, this happened when the recycling centers put up the price for companies to bring trade waste. Seems unworkable. Valuations are subjective and the system would quickly be clogged by people appealing. The most sensible option to me seems to be basing the tax on the amount of land you occupy, not the bricks and mortar that sit on it. Either that or abandoning the property basis altogether and having a local income and/or wealth tax. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 14:45:16 GMT 1
Be carful when the word tax is involved. £56 today will be much more in a few years time.
I haven't received the leaflet though won't be opting in.
Together with the councils natural wastage and the new Labour government, the green waste tax is very worrying.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 14:57:47 GMT 1
Be caring when the word tax is involved. £56 today will be much more in a few years time. I haven't received the leaflet though won't be opting in. Together with the councils natural wastage and the new Labour government, the green waste tax is very worrying. I agree it will go up, I expect it to go up every year. |
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Post by horse01 on Sept 17, 2024 15:13:24 GMT 1
In relation to council tax - can somebody please give me a valid reason why I pay more than someone who has a smaller property than I have??
The size of the house I have is reflected in a larger mortgage payment. If I use extra water, gas or electric - that is reflected in the amount I pay in utility bills. I don’t receive any further collections of my waste than anyone else. In the 20 plus years that I have been a homeowner, I have never had cause to call the emergency services for any reason. Yet I may pay a considerable amount more than someone just because their property is smaller??
And before people say that I must earn more - not necessarily. I earn a very average wage - which I am taxed on anyway.
So why should I pay more in council tax due to the size of my property….?
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Post by northwestman on Sept 17, 2024 15:31:30 GMT 1
This charge for green bins will pale into insignificance if Councils are allowed to remove the 25% discount from single person occupancy dwellings.
I calculate this would cost me nearly £500, and I only live in a Band B property.
Why should I and other single person occupancy residents have to pay exactly the same amount of Council Tax as a large family, who will clearly be using Council facilities far more than I am?
This has shades of the Poll Tax if it is ever implemented.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 15:32:06 GMT 1
I don't know, I suspect there are big inconsistencies regarding it. However all political parties will drive a bus through the grey areas and try to make all pay more for less.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2024 15:34:13 GMT 1
This charge for green bins will pale into insignificance if Councils are allowed to remove the 25% discount from single person occupancy dwellings. I calculate this would cost me nearly £500, and I only live in a Band B property. Why should I and other single person occupancy residents have to pay exactly the same amount of Council Tax as a large family, who will clearly be using Council facilities far more than I am? This has shades of the Poll Tax if it is ever implemented. I'm similar, if anything the 25% discount should be upped to 50% depending on lack of people in a property. Britain does this badly or very well depending on how you look at it. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 15:40:02 GMT 1
This charge for green bins will pale into insignificance if Councils are allowed to remove the 25% discount from single person occupancy dwellings. I calculate this would cost me nearly £500, and I only live in a Band B property. Why should I and other single person occupancy residents have to pay exactly the same amount of Council Tax as a large family, who will clearly be using Council facilities far more than I am? This has shades of the Poll Tax if it is ever implemented. The 25% discount for single occupancy is rightly known as the widows benefit. So yet another tax on pensioners(I voted labour but I did not expect them to clobber pensioners) It will also hit all the young single people who have by a miracle managed to scrape there way on to the property ladder. I can only presume this is the governments attempt to increase revenue for all the councils on the brink of bankruptcy following cuts in central funding. Add the possibility of a progressive property tax and people are going to really get hit financially. |
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Post by mattmw on Sept 17, 2024 15:46:21 GMT 1
In relation to council tax - can somebody please give me a valid reason why I pay more than someone who has a smaller property than I have?? The size of the house I have is reflected in a larger mortgage payment. If I use extra water, gas or electric - that is reflected in the amount I pay in utility bills. I don’t receive any further collections of my waste than anyone else. In the 20 plus years that I have been a homeowner, I have never had cause to call the emergency services for any reason. Yet I may pay a considerable amount more than someone just because their property is smaller?? And before people say that I must earn more - not necessarily. I earn a very average wage - which I am taxed on anyway. So why should I pay more in council tax due to the size of my property….? There is a lot of debate in Local Government circles about Council Tax bandings and a fairer system of payment As you hint it’s actually people in the cheaper bands A-C who are more likely to heavily use Council services like adult and social care, rather than the D,E and F bands, so people in big houses do generally subsidise those in smaller properties The banding is also national which lead to disparities - a £500,000 house in Wem for example is likely to be much bigger than a £500,000 property in Islington or Harrow in London but they are all rated the same for Council tax Reform of the system has been suggested for a long time - 1991 was the last time it was reviewed, but None of the parties in the local election put forward any reforms in their manifestos. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 15:52:04 GMT 1
After I got on the property ladder
I would buy the biggest property I could strech myself financially to get untill we got the house we live in now.
The reason we have stayed in the house was we saw it as a place to bring up a family in a nice area. My wife was local and never wanted to leave Shrewsbury.
I also saw it as an investment we did without to make the step up to this house and fortunately it has payed off.
If labour look at people's property as a way for a quick tax raid. They will quickly become very unpopular.
I saw in one programme a political commentary make the observation,that Starmer is making all the unpopular decisions and policies now in the belief we will forget about them when the next election rolls around.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 17, 2024 16:05:20 GMT 1
In relation to council tax - can somebody please give me a valid reason why I pay more than someone who has a smaller property than I have?? The size of the house I have is reflected in a larger mortgage payment. If I use extra water, gas or electric - that is reflected in the amount I pay in utility bills. I don’t receive any further collections of my waste than anyone else. In the 20 plus years that I have been a homeowner, I have never had cause to call the emergency services for any reason. Yet I may pay a considerable amount more than someone just because their property is smaller?? And before people say that I must earn more - not necessarily. I earn a very average wage - which I am taxed on anyway. So why should I pay more in council tax due to the size of my property….? There is a lot of debate in Local Government circles about Council Tax bandings and a fairer system of payment As you hint it’s actually people in the cheaper bands A-C who are more likely to heavily use Council services like adult and social care, rather than the D,E and F bands, so people in big houses do generally subsidise those in smaller properties The banding is also national which lead to disparities - a £500,000 house in Wem for example is likely to be much bigger than a £500,000 property in Islington or Harrow in London but they are all rated the same for Council tax Reform of the system has been suggested for a long time - 1991 was the last time it was reviewed, but None of the parties in the local election put forward any reforms in their manifestos. Jeremy Corbyn was looking at progressive property tax in 2019. I can't find the article but a think tank linked to Labour has suggested it again, as labour foolishly promised to not raise certain taxes, they either break the promise or find other ways to raise taxes. We have a £20 billion black hole in public funding so it has to be found somewhere or we face more austerity. |
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