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Post by vladimir on Apr 23, 2024 11:14:47 GMT 1
On the Barnsley thread, the form guide was mentioned. I didn't realise how bad ours was, no wins in 6 and only 5 goals in those 6 games. Ok, it wasn't the easiest of run in's but even so, we are luckly that the only teams worse than us over the past month have been Cheltenham and Vale I make it 4 wins from 17 under Hurst, 1 home win during that time. Hurst has given us a bit of fight but let's not pretend we are only one or two good players from doing well next season. We need a major overhaul and as things stand, don't have the finances to bring in any quality. Sorry, for the depressing nature of the post, I'm delighted we have stayed up and with a week to spare. But I'd expect us to start as one of the favourites for relegation next season I might have mentioned hursts record is worse than Taylor's , then again it's all about what the fickle fans want 😀 Matty Taylor your football is s**te Paul hurst barmy army Now do Paul Hursts career record vs Matt Taylors. "Fickle fans" want their club to do well. We wernt doing that under Taylor and there is a sense of unity under Hurst. Instead of having a cheap pop with your quote a small metric every other post perhaps look at the wider picture.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 23, 2024 11:21:08 GMT 1
On the Barnsley thread, the form guide was mentioned. I didn't realise how bad ours was, no wins in 6 and only 5 goals in those 6 games. Ok, it wasn't the easiest of run in's but even so, we are luckly that the only teams worse than us over the past month have been Cheltenham and Vale I make it 4 wins from 17 under Hurst, 1 home win during that time. Hurst has given us a bit of fight but let's not pretend we are only one or two good players from doing well next season. We need a major overhaul and as things stand, don't have the finances to bring in any quality. Sorry, for the depressing nature of the post, I'm delighted we have stayed up and with a week to spare. But I'd expect us to start as one of the favourites for relegation next season I might have mentioned hursts record is worse than Taylor's , then again it's all about what the fickle fans want 😀 Matty Taylor your football is s**te Paul hurst barmy army A.Fickle Fans + Fickle owners = change B.Fickle Fans + Strong owner = no change C.Strong Fans + Strong owners = success How do you get from A to C?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2024 11:29:25 GMT 1
I might have mentioned hursts record is worse than Taylor's , then again it's all about what the fickle fans want 😀 Matty Taylor your football is s**te Paul hurst barmy army A.Fickle Fans + Fickle owners = change B.Fickle Fans + Strong owner = no change C.Strong Fans + Strong owners = success How do you get from A to C? We need to sign some strong fans I guess 😝
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2024 11:42:58 GMT 1
I might have mentioned hursts record is worse than Taylor's , then again it's all about what the fickle fans want 😀 Matty Taylor your football is s**te Paul hurst barmy army Now do Paul Hursts career record vs Matt Taylors. "Fickle fans" want their club to do well. We wernt doing that under Taylor and there is a sense of unity under Hurst. Instead of having a cheap pop with your quote a small metric every other post perhaps look at the wider picture. considering the thread is about this season, lets just stick to that Paul Hurst has a worse record than Matty Taylor this season so far ( thats a fact ) not only that, he has a worse record than him TWICE this season with 2 different clubs
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 23, 2024 11:59:42 GMT 1
A.Fickle Fans + Fickle owners = change B.Fickle Fans + Strong owner = no change C.Strong Fans + Strong owners = success How do you get from A to C? We need to sign some strong fans I guess 😝 I won’t make the obvious comment………. Im thinking of clubs like Coventry who stick with their manager through thick and thin and are now reaping the rewards.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2024 12:06:10 GMT 1
We need to sign some strong fans I guess 😝 I won’t make the obvious comment………. Im thinking of clubs like Coventry who stick with their manager through thick and thin and are now reaping the rewards. you are telling the guy who's got 20 years of abuse for suggesting we stand with the current manager Quinn, simpson, ricketts to name but a few
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 23, 2024 12:13:07 GMT 1
Some facts on Hurst being ‘outperformed’ by Taylor this season.
MT - Played 28, won 9, drawn 3, lost 16, points 30 PH - Played 17, won 4, drawn 6, lost 7, points 18
Taylor won 32% of his league games which is up on Hurst’s 24%, but also lost a whopping 57% compared to Hurst’s 41%. Points per game Taylor was 1.07, Hurst currently 1.06
MT - goals scored 18, conceded 39, goal difference -21 PH - goals scored 16, conceded 25, goal difference -9
Hurst has increased our goals per game from 0.64 to 0.94, conceded per game has also increased too but by a smaller amount, 1.47 compared to 1.39.
Basically Hurst has made us more competitive in games and generally more attack minded, all this whilst still having plenty of room for improvement. He p**ses all over Matt Taylor.
And fingers crossed we win on Sat and then even the most straw man statistical argument that Taylor was better will be blown out of the water.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2024 12:20:03 GMT 1
Some facts on Hurst being ‘outperformed’ by Taylor this season. MT - Played 28, won 9, drawn 3, lost 16, points 30 PH - Played 17, won 4, drawn 6, lost 7, points 18 Taylor won 32% of his league games which is up on Hurst’s 24%, but also lost a whopping 57% compared to Hurst’s 41%. Points per game Taylor was 1.07, Hurst currently 1.06 MT - goals scored 18, conceded 39, goal difference -21 PH - goals scored 16, conceded 25, goal difference -9 Hurst has increased our goals per game from 0.64 to 0.94, conceded per game has also increased too but by a smaller amount, 1.47 compared to 1.39. Basically Hurst has made us more competitive in games and generally more attack minded, all this whilst still having plenty of room for improvement. He p**ses all over Matt Taylor. And fingers crossed we win on Sat and then even the most straw man statistical argument that Taylor was better will be blown out of the water. It's not an argument at all , I also hope hurst wins on Saturday and I also prefer hurst as our manager anyway I'm just pointing out as I always do , some fans just see what they want to see , they can create stats about , xg , shots , shots on target , goals for and against , possession % , goals from subs , penalties you name it The only stats that really counts is points
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 23, 2024 13:03:03 GMT 1
The only fact that matters, we will be a league one club next season.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Apr 24, 2024 15:43:49 GMT 1
Sum up our season in one word - s**t! Favourite game - Reading (h) Favourite moment - Winning at Reading. Best goal - Shipley @ Reading Worst performance - so many and too many! Player of the season (and why) Carl Winchester - just Mr Consistent Worst player of the season (and why) Taylor Perry - just hides for me Would you class the season a success after what happened in the summer? Well we stayed up! What would be the minimum next season you would class as a successful season? Midtable
Lastly what do you plan to do on a Saturday during the close season? Jolly Boys 2024 @ Stratford
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Post by GlosShrew on Apr 24, 2024 16:34:59 GMT 1
Sum up our season in one word Frustrating Favourite game Derby - Home Favourite moment To be honest not sure I have one!!! Best goal Bloxham away to Reading Worst performance Bristol Rovers away - there are probably worse ones but I was there for that!! Player of the season (and why) Marco Morosi - mr consistent!! Worst player of the season (and why) There are a number of options for this - prefer not to say! Would you class the season a success after what happened in the summer? No! What would be the minimum next season you would class as a successful season? To win more than we lose, to score more than we concede and finish above Wrexham!!!
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 24, 2024 17:17:30 GMT 1
**** me ......looks like we'd better bring Matty Taylor and bignot back,and give em another go next season.......Hurst out.....s**t!!!!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2024 21:01:29 GMT 1
**** me ......looks like we'd better bring Matty Taylor and bignot back,and give em another go next season.......Hurst out.....s**t!!!! I'm not sure anyone wants that , Matty Taylor was dead man walking long before he even had an interview with us , and hurst was the saviour without winning a game , seems the results are irrelevant
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 25, 2024 6:21:22 GMT 1
**** me ......looks like we'd better bring Matty Taylor and bignot back,and give em another go next season.......Hurst out.....s**t!!!! I'm not sure anyone wants that , Matty Taylor was dead man walking long before he even had an interview with us , and hurst was the saviour without winning a game , seems the results are irrelevant You were saying to me recently on a thread that fans see what they want to see and I'd say the same applies here I saw Taylor being given a chance by the majority of fans, even those who were underwhelmed by his appointment (myself included). There were very few fans who were vocally against the appointment which surprised me considering his record in his only other managerial appointment. Fans did of course turn against him because the football was dire Whereas I saw the opposition for Hurst, I saw plenty of opposition to his appointment, partly for the way he left us but then because it felt a poor appointment because of his record since leaving us. He's been afforded the luxury of not too much criticism but as I've explained this is because he inherited the mess. Come September, if things haven't improved then I'm pretty sure the knives will be out quickly.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 25, 2024 8:48:06 GMT 1
I'm not sure anyone wants that , Matty Taylor was dead man walking long before he even had an interview with us , and hurst was the saviour without winning a game , seems the results are irrelevant You were saying to me recently on a thread that fans see what they want to see and I'd say the same applies here I saw Taylor being given a chance by the majority of fans, even those who were underwhelmed by his appointment (myself included). There were very few fans who were vocally against the appointment which surprised me considering his record in his only other managerial appointment. Fans did of course turn against him because the football was dire Whereas I saw the opposition for Hurst, I saw plenty of opposition to his appointment, partly for the way he left us but then because it felt a poor appointment because of his record since leaving us. He's been afforded the luxury of not too much criticism but as I've explained this is because he inherited the mess. Come September, if things haven't improved then I'm pretty sure the knives will be out quickly. I'd love to bring back a few threads to disclaim most of what you said but hey people don't like the truth on here , so let's just pretend you are right for the sake of peace
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 25, 2024 9:04:39 GMT 1
Taylor won one game in his last eight as Town manager, we were dropping like a stone, playing awful football, couldn't score for toffee and there was no suggestion he knew how to turn things around. Just as he wasn't able to do at Walsall either. He was unable to stop the rot, Hurst was. Plenty of us had reservations because of his previous experience and success as a manager (as in, next to none) but he had his chance. Its not the fans fault, fickle or otherwise, that he wasn't good enough, he just wasn't good enough.
I mean Ratcliffe might well have had a better win ratio than both Taylor and Hurst right up to the point when things started to go Pete Tong, when we dropped off a cliff and should have got rid. Yet we stuck with him and got relegated. Stats whilst important, don't tell the whole story.
As to how I would sum up our season in one word, I would go with shambles.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 25, 2024 9:20:40 GMT 1
Yes,I agree there was plenty of opposition of Hurst coming back......but no one gave an answer to which manager they wanted.....so really there is no argument to be had.i will agree,our home form has been poor,which I can't understand,nor anybody else, hopefully this will improve next season.our away from tho,had been very good,and basically kept us up
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Post by Pilch on Apr 25, 2024 9:23:20 GMT 1
Taylor won one game in his last eight as Town manager, we were dropping like a stone, playing awful football, couldn't score for toffee and there was no suggestion he knew how to turn things around. Just as he wasn't able to do at Walsall either. He was unable to stop the rot, Hurst was. Plenty of us had reservations because of his previous experience and success as a manager (as in, next to none) but he had his chance. Its not the fans fault, fickle or otherwise, that he wasn't good enough, he just wasn't good enough. I mean Ratcliffe might well have had a better win ratio than both Taylor and Hurst right up to the point when things started to go Pete Tong, when we dropped off a cliff and should have got rid. Yet we stuck with him and got relegated. Stats whilst important, don't tell the whole story. As to how I would sum up our season in one word, I would go with shambles. there's so much spin on that post I need a Paracetamol after reading it 😵💫
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 25, 2024 9:33:06 GMT 1
I liked Matty Taylor.... unfortunately with this group of players,the writing was on the wall,after the Blackpool away game..a totally inept display.....of which Hurst has also found out on a number of occasions 🤷🤷
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 25, 2024 9:38:14 GMT 1
Yes,I agree there was plenty of opposition of Hurst coming back......but no one gave an answer to which manager they wanted.....so really there is no argument to be had. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if Paul Hurst was appointed because B&A were unable to agree on a suitable alternative.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 25, 2024 10:12:01 GMT 1
At least we weren't cast adrift at the bottom of the table when Taylor & Bignot left.
They had got some points on the board and so gave Hurst & Doig some breathing space.
If we had managed a half decent home record under Hurst we would have been safe weeks ago.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 25, 2024 10:43:35 GMT 1
Yes,I agree there was plenty of opposition of Hurst coming back......but no one gave an answer to which manager they wanted.....so really there is no argument to be had. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if Paul Hurst was appointed because B&A were unable to agree on a suitable alternative. Its not so much "agree on a suitable alternative" but that others wouldn't wish to come here having had a read of B&A. Or at least that's how some would try and spin it. Same with potential owners apparently.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 25, 2024 10:49:56 GMT 1
Yes,I agree there was plenty of opposition of Hurst coming back......but no one gave an answer to which manager they wanted.....so really there is no argument to be had. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if Paul Hurst was appointed because B&A were unable to agree on a suitable alternative. Always remember that Paul Hurst was appointed after Micky Moore’s thorough and exhaustive new manager search led him to recommend this relatively unknown name to the chairman.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 25, 2024 11:08:48 GMT 1
You were saying to me recently on a thread that fans see what they want to see and I'd say the same applies here I saw Taylor being given a chance by the majority of fans, even those who were underwhelmed by his appointment (myself included). There were very few fans who were vocally against the appointment which surprised me considering his record in his only other managerial appointment. Fans did of course turn against him because the football was dire Whereas I saw the opposition for Hurst, I saw plenty of opposition to his appointment, partly for the way he left us but then because it felt a poor appointment because of his record since leaving us. He's been afforded the luxury of not too much criticism but as I've explained this is because he inherited the mess. Come September, if things haven't improved then I'm pretty sure the knives will be out quickly. I'd love to bring back a few threads to disclaim most of what you said but hey people don't like the truth on here , so let's just pretend you are right for the sake of peace ‘The truth’ is owned by whoever selects and edits (the posts). - George Orwell
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 25, 2024 11:27:02 GMT 1
Don't think Moore had much say into the appointment of Hurst....all down to Roland I'm afraid.....well done Roland👏👏👏
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