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Post by davycrockett on Nov 13, 2023 18:20:27 GMT 1
I’ve also been asked to attend so not sure so hopefully between us we can represent all opinions on B&A. Good to know you're attending, hopefully you can put forward some of the great questions on this thread. I’ll certainly be fair and open minded. From what I know (no agenda yet) this is an initial meeting to discuss the relationship between club and fans and formulate regular meetings to discuss concerns. I’ll ask any relevant questions but don’t think all will be asked or answers initially. It takes time, I don’t think there’ll be a reading of Roland’s will but club progression, his role, commercial, communication, club shop etc Im sure will be addressed. I’ll bring up fan’s concerns re contingency plans in the event of ⚰️ respectfully (unless he’s there 😬) Regarding Early Bird ST, I always take advantage and can’t think of a way of getting income in early without making them cheaper early on. Can someone suggest a sensible way of attracting early purchases (at least maintaining income levels in April / May) than reducing the price? What do other clubs do? I’ve never bought one based on the expected performance next season but perhaps many do?
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 13, 2023 18:21:54 GMT 1
Good to know you're attending, hopefully you can put forward some of the great questions on this thread. I’ll certainly be fair and open minded. From what I know (no agenda yet) this is an initial meeting to discuss the relationship between club and fans and formulate regular meetings to discuss concerns. I’ll ask any relevant questions but don’t think all will be asked or answers initially. It takes time, I don’t think there’ll be a reading of Roland’s will but club progression, his role, commercial, communication, club shop etc Im sure will be addressed. I’ll bring up fan’s concerns re contingency plans in the event of ⚰️ respectfully (unless he’s there 😬) Regarding Early Bird ST, I always take advantage and can’t think of a way of getting income in early without making them cheaper early on. Can someone suggest a sensible way of attracting early purchases (at least maintaining income levels in April / May) than reducing the price? What do other clubs do? I’ve never bought one based on the expected performance next season but perhaps many do? Has the date for cut off not got earlier and earlier? I'm sure I saw somebody say this.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 13, 2023 19:52:44 GMT 1
I’ll certainly be fair and open minded. From what I know (no agenda yet) this is an initial meeting to discuss the relationship between club and fans and formulate regular meetings to discuss concerns. I’ll ask any relevant questions but don’t think all will be asked or answers initially. It takes time, I don’t think there’ll be a reading of Roland’s will but club progression, his role, commercial, communication, club shop etc Im sure will be addressed. I’ll bring up fan’s concerns re contingency plans in the event of ⚰️ respectfully (unless he’s there 😬) Regarding Early Bird ST, I always take advantage and can’t think of a way of getting income in early without making them cheaper early on. Can someone suggest a sensible way of attracting early purchases (at least maintaining income levels in April / May) than reducing the price? What do other clubs do? I’ve never bought one based on the expected performance next season but perhaps many do? Has the date for cut off not got earlier and earlier? I'm sure I saw somebody say this. I raised the issue of season tickets, I could go back further for research purposes but the last two seasons the early bird date has been below: 22/23 - 22nd April 23/24 - 31st March Personally I’m suspicious that the club moved it forward three weeks to either cover up financial issues that may have been occurring, or to get the fans money before the s**t hit the fan with Cotterill and co. Either way it felt deceitful and I don’t think it’s right to ask fans to commit to a new season when there’s still 6-8 weeks left of the existing one. Especially when you’re also increasing the price.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 13, 2023 20:00:00 GMT 1
Has the date for cut off not got earlier and earlier? I'm sure I saw somebody say this. I raised the issue of season tickets, I could go back further for research purposes but the last two seasons the early bird date has been below: 22/23 - 22nd April 23/24 - 31st March Personally I’m suspicious that the club moved it forward three weeks to either cover up financial issues that may have been occurring, or to get the fans money before the s**t hit the fan with Cotterill and co. Either way it felt deceitful and I don’t think it’s right to ask fans to commit to a new season when there’s still 6-8 weeks left of the existing one. Especially when you’re also increasing the price. maybe you should have doubted it at the time instead of rushing out and buying one
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Post by jamo on Nov 13, 2023 20:29:55 GMT 1
For an initial meeting I would suggest quality and not quantity is the preferred option re: questions to be asked.
This is as big a meeting for the club as it is for the fanbase, so a very few pertinent, too the point questions that will test the water so to speak, and that can produce results will allow for a base of mutual trust to be established- and let’s be honest, there isn’t much of that about from both sides.
I understand people’s wishes to go in there with a great big wish list but that may prove ultimately self destructing if quite a few targets are mixed or ignored.
The new CEO had a decent reputation, let’s hope he is allowed the time and space to enhance it here.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 14, 2023 9:12:42 GMT 1
Has the date for cut off not got earlier and earlier? I'm sure I saw somebody say this. I raised the issue of season tickets, I could go back further for research purposes but the last two seasons the early bird date has been below: 22/23 - 22nd April 23/24 - 31st March Personally I’m suspicious that the club moved it forward three weeks to either cover up financial issues that may have been occurring, or to get the fans money before the s**t hit the fan with Cotterill and co. Either way it felt deceitful and I don’t think it’s right to ask fans to commit to a new season when there’s still 6-8 weeks left of the existing one. Especially when you’re also increasing the price. Get what you’re saying but don’t agree with the plan to deceive. Seem to remember the 22/23 was extended for some reason as I renewed just after deadline and asked if they’d let me renew at the early bird and BC said no it’s been already been extended. Early bird is to get money in early and aimed at fans prepared to take the risk not knowing what league we’ll be in sometimes. It’s popular and necessary to maintain income streams. Can’t think of an alternative without affecting cash flow which is used to pay the players.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 14, 2023 9:43:03 GMT 1
Good to know you're attending, hopefully you can put forward some of the great questions on this thread. Regarding Early Bird ST, I always take advantage and can’t think of a way of getting income in early without making them cheaper early on. Can someone suggest a sensible way of attracting early purchases (at least maintaining income levels in April / May) than reducing the price? What do other clubs do? I’ve never bought one based on the expected performance next season but perhaps many do? As with most things, it's about how they communicate with fans, rather than necessarily the news they are communicating Looking at last season, they announced on 10th Feb that tickets would go on sale on the 15th Feb and would have to be purchased by the end of March to get the cheapest rate. That would have come out of the blue for a lot fans, surely there is a better way at handling that? I don't expect the fans/this engagement panel to dictate to the club what the season ticket prices are, however I would like the club to work with them to try and come up with the best approach in terms of different pricing groups and then how this message is communicated to fans. To emphasise, the importance of of marketing, the kit launch for this summer was very clever and the general reaction was positive, despite the kit being a plain blue kit which some of our fans are against. Put together a vidoe with a load of legends and people will love it, put out an article at 5pm on a Friday (like they did last season) and it comes across as trying to bury the news
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Post by edgmond on Nov 14, 2023 16:40:35 GMT 1
Apologies if this has already been mentioned already, Pilch.
Please ask why the pitch remained so narrow this season and whose decision this was.
It understandably fitted the SC style of play but MT talks about his desire to see a more expansive style which is hard to achieve on our narrow pitch. I can't think of anywhere else with so much unused grass.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 14, 2023 17:07:48 GMT 1
Apologies if this has already been mentioned already, Pilch. Please ask why the pitch remained so narrow this season and whose decision this was. It understandably fitted the SC style of play but MT talks about his desire to see a more expansive style which is hard to achieve on our narrow pitch. I can't think of anywhere else with so much unused grass. again, the answer will be standard, it will be to suit the sides playing style, most sides who resort to a narrow pitch do so because they are less likely to have the big guys ( Dunkley types in the middle ) I checked checked google earth and it looks like Blackpools pitch is the same as ours, I cant find an up to date list of all sides but I doubt there is a lot of difference
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 14, 2023 17:19:26 GMT 1
Apologies if this has already been mentioned already, Pilch. Please ask why the pitch remained so narrow this season and whose decision this was. It understandably fitted the SC style of play but MT talks about his desire to see a more expansive style which is hard to achieve on our narrow pitch. I can't think of anywhere else with so much unused grass. again, the answer will be standard, it will be to suit the sides playing style, most sides who resort to a narrow pitch do so because they are less likely to have the big guys ( Dunkley types in the middle ) I checked checked google earth and it looks like Blackpools pitch is the same as ours, I cant find an up to date list of all sides but I doubt there is a lot of difference The average ‘map data’ on Google earth is up to 3 years old. I think it’s a fair question but not really for the CEO. Surely it comes under the remit of DOF together with the Head Coach? It can be asked in a way that clarifies the club ‘hierarchy’….but sure it will be down to the DOF. Maybe they just left it as it was.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 14, 2023 18:25:24 GMT 1
again, the answer will be standard, it will be to suit the sides playing style, most sides who resort to a narrow pitch do so because they are less likely to have the big guys ( Dunkley types in the middle ) I checked checked google earth and it looks like Blackpools pitch is the same as ours, I cant find an up to date list of all sides but I doubt there is a lot of difference The average ‘map data’ on Google earth is up to 3 years old. I think it’s a fair question but not really for the CEO. Surely it comes under the remit of DOF together with the Head Coach? It can be asked in a way that clarifies the club ‘hierarchy’….but sure it will be down to the DOF. Maybe they just left it as it was. I checked, towns pitch is 2023, Blackpools 2022 our pitch is the same as Cheltenhams too
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 14, 2023 18:39:35 GMT 1
The average ‘map data’ on Google earth is up to 3 years old. I think it’s a fair question but not really for the CEO. Surely it comes under the remit of DOF together with the Head Coach? It can be asked in a way that clarifies the club ‘hierarchy’….but sure it will be down to the DOF. Maybe they just left it as it was. I checked, towns pitch is 2023, Blackpools 2022 our pitch is the same as Cheltenhams too MT was asked this at the pre season open meeting and he said the players had been asked if they wanted it to remain as the previous season and they did .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 15, 2023 11:47:32 GMT 1
again, the answer will be standard, it will be to suit the sides playing style, most sides who resort to a narrow pitch do so because they are less likely to have the big guys ( Dunkley types in the middle ) I checked checked google earth and it looks like Blackpools pitch is the same as ours, I cant find an up to date list of all sides but I doubt there is a lot of difference I think it’s a fair question but not really for the CEO. Surely it comes under the remit of DOF together with the Head Coach? That might also be the case for a number of the other questions we have seen included on the thread too. I guess this meeting will tell us more and we'll have a better idea of the scope of such meetings going forward but it could be that Dooley might not be best placed or comfortable answering questions on the playing side of things. And that might also be the case for any plans relating to the ownership, he might think those questions ought to be answered by the chairman himself. Good questions being asked for sure but not sure this will be the forum where such questions can or will be addressed. Thanks to all those giving up their time to attend anyhow. Not entirely sure what will come of it but its good that we have such a dialogue between the club and the supporters open again.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 15, 2023 13:38:01 GMT 1
I think it’s a fair question but not really for the CEO. Surely it comes under the remit of DOF together with the Head Coach? That might also be the case for a number of the other questions we have seen included on the thread too. I guess this meeting will tell us more and we'll have a better idea of the scope of such meetings going forward but it could be that Dooley might not be best placed or comfortable answering questions on the playing side of things. And that might also be the case for any plans relating to the ownership, he might think those questions ought to be answered by the chairman himself. Good questions being asked for sure but not sure this will be the forum where such questions can or will be addressed. Thanks to all those giving up their time to attend anyhow. Not entirely sure what will come of it but its good that we have such a dialogue between the club and the supporters open again. Think Jamo hit the nail on the head :- “For an initial meeting I would suggest quality and not quantity is the preferred option re: questions to be asked.
This is as big a meeting for the club as it is for the fanbase, so a very few pertinent, too the point questions that will test the water so to speak, and that can produce results will allow for a base of mutual trust to be established- and let’s be honest, there isn’t much of that about from both sides.
I understand people’s wishes to go in there with a great big wish list but that may prove ultimately self destructing if quite a few targets are mixed or ignored.
The new CEO had a decent reputation, let’s hope he is allowed the time and space to enhance it here.”
We’re being asked to submit questions by this Friday so bearing in mind the meetings with a new CEO what ‘pertinent’ questions should we ask. Remember the purpose is for ‘Fan Engagement’ so let’s be positive. I personally feel there should be ‘subjects’ to discuss like communication rather than a specific question.This is an initial meeting very much testing the water, quarterly (fans panel) and monthly (SP guys) will follow.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 15, 2023 14:07:37 GMT 1
By no means set in stone but here are 5 I think we want to know , no4 is my own but after the Colchester game I'm sure anyone who used it will agree it can be a hazard and needs addressing again
1 is the club for sale ? If so , are there currently any potential buyers interested ?
2 has the chairman had to put his own money in this season or last season to keep us afloat ?
3 can the club elaborate a little more about why BC & SC left ?
4 can the club chase up the maintenance of the superblues way as its like paddling through a ford after heavy rain ? ( and dark in places )
5 what plan is in place should our chairman suddenly move on ? ( can someone put some spin on that so it doesn't sound so ...well you know)
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Post by tarporleyblue on Nov 15, 2023 14:16:12 GMT 1
By no means set in stone but here are 5 I think we want to know , no4 is my own but after the Colchester game I'm sure anyone who used it will agree it can be a hazard and needs addressing again 1 is the club for sale ? If so , are there currently any potential buyers interested ? 2 has the chairman had to put his own money in this season or last season to keep us afloat ? 3 can the club elaborate a little more about why BC & SC left ? 4 can the club chase up the maintenance of the superblues way as its like paddling through a ford after heavy rain ? ( and dark in places ) 5 what plan is in place should our chairman suddenly move on ? ( can someone put some spin on that so it doesn't sound so ...well you know) Good questions. For 5), may I suggest, "what succession plan is in place in respect of the ownership of the club?"
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Post by Pilch on Nov 15, 2023 14:33:00 GMT 1
Thanks
I think we also need to take the opportunity to ask for something that improves the match day experience , not sure what but fire away , here are some previous examples ( toilet seats , chips , real ale ) It will be good if we can always take away a small improvement on the cards after every meeting
Also might be an idea to ask the club if there is something they would like the fans to do for them , must be something petty that really annoys them , but maybe we can start improving as fans too , I'm sure it would be great in bringing us closer together
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 15, 2023 14:41:15 GMT 1
Thanks I think we also need to take the opportunity to ask for something that improves the match day experience , not sure what but fire away , here are some previous examples ( toilet seats , chips , real ale ) It will be good if we can always take away a small improvement on the cards after every meeting Also might be an idea to ask the club if there is something they would like the fans to do for them , must be something petty that really annoys them , but maybe we can start improving as fans too , I'm sure it would be great in bringing us closer together I think we need a discussion rather than specific questions. Communication, Match Day Experience, Plans to increase turnover, Shrewsweb… Re your last line I agree we should be looking to the future not the past
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 15, 2023 14:42:23 GMT 1
Also think we should make comments/observations rather than just questions, such as the exclusive use of X.
Communication/promotions need to be across all platforms of social media and email.
I don't use any social media so unless it's posted here or via email, I won't see it.
I think it's important the club acts on the above, whilst it's not a question, it's important.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 15, 2023 15:29:50 GMT 1
By no means set in stone but here are 5 I think we want to know , no4 is my own but after the Colchester game I'm sure anyone who used it will agree it can be a hazard and needs addressing again 1 is the club for sale ? If so , are there currently any potential buyers interested ? 2 has the chairman had to put his own money in this season or last season to keep us afloat ? 3 can the club elaborate a little more about why BC & SC left ? 4 can the club chase up the maintenance of the superblues way as its like paddling through a ford after heavy rain ? ( and dark in places ) 5 what plan is in place should our chairman suddenly move on ? ( can someone put some spin on that so it doesn't sound so ...well you know) Whilst we'd all love to know the answers to points 2 & 3, I'd imagine that any new CEO would say its happened before his arrival and he's not in a position to comment. So going back to Daveys point, I'd agree that at this point it should be less about low level questions and more about areas for conversation. And as part of that it should be stated that the events of last season/the summer have left a big cloud hanging over the club because the fans have been told very little (but theres a lot of rumours out there).The CEO obviously can't turn back time but at least it tells him what he's up against.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 15, 2023 17:51:42 GMT 1
Thanks I think we also need to take the opportunity to ask for something that improves the match day experience , not sure what but fire away , here are some previous examples ( toilet seats , chips , real ale ) It will be good if we can always take away a small improvement on the cards after every meeting Also might be an idea to ask the club if there is something they would like the fans to do for them , must be something petty that really annoys them , but maybe we can start improving as fans too , I'm sure it would be great in bringing us closer together I think we need a discussion rather than specific questions. Communication, Match Day Experience, Plans to increase turnover, Shrewsweb… Re your last line I agree we should be looking to the future not the past it will almost certainly be a discussion but I guess they still want questions up front so as to polish the answers first ;-)
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 16, 2023 14:59:18 GMT 1
I notice on the Facebook page fans are waiting a long time for their online orders and can't communicate with Elite Sport to check the status of their order.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 16, 2023 16:13:16 GMT 1
I notice on the Facebook page fans are waiting a long time for their online orders and can't communicate with Elite Sport to check the status of their order. With due respect, these are nitty gritty things, likely on a per user basis and they're not going to be answered in this forum. We need the big hitting and important questions answering, or at least asking.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Nov 21, 2023 22:21:40 GMT 1
Any news from tonight from anyone?
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 21, 2023 22:25:11 GMT 1
Any news from tonight from anyone? Forgot it was the meeting tonight, although I did think it was quieter than usual on here 😂
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2023 22:49:40 GMT 1
Any news from tonight from anyone? all will become apparent in the coming weeks or months ;-) cant remember too much at the mo anyway, I did remind them about Black Friday this week and WE WANT SOME DEALS lol, oh well I tried I asked if we are going to win this week but they declined to answer seriously we've been asked not to talk about it until the minutes are out, hopefully by the weekend, so cant even say anything soz
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2023 22:52:28 GMT 1
Any news from tonight from anyone? Forgot it was the meeting tonight, although I did think it was quieter than usual on here 😂 aww bless always thinking about me, I've only been gone 3 hours son, stop worrying
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 21, 2023 22:52:32 GMT 1
I hope the minutes won’t only be released on twitter!!
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2023 22:54:07 GMT 1
I hope the minutes won’t only be released on twitter!! no, tik-tok ;-)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 21, 2023 22:58:40 GMT 1
One ground rule for the meeting should if anyone from the club prefixes anything they are about to say with, "this mustn't go outside of this room, but.." they should be stopped and told to keep the information to themselves. We might never know what was ‘not for minuting’.
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