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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 15, 2023 11:02:28 GMT 1
Should there be a points deduction for a gratuitous mention of Liverpool?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 15, 2023 11:08:36 GMT 1
Irrespective of the rights and wrongs in this particular case, we have always known ref's sometimes get it wrong and lived with it. The authorities present VAR as the ovriding judge, just get rid of it, it isn't.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2023 11:17:17 GMT 1
If you don't think that's a penalty I'm afraid you have no idea about football.
You can't just come out as a keeper and clatter everything in front of you whilst totally missing the ball. 60 years ago maybe, but not for the last 10 years at least.
It's an absolute stonewall penalty.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 15, 2023 11:21:51 GMT 1
Not sure about stonewaller……. Isn’t it relevant that the keeper clattered the players after they’d played the ball not before, also the keeper was already in the air ‘attempting’ to reach the ball and had no way of ‘pulling out’. They wouldn’t have scored if he didn’t make contact as the two players collided with each other and headed the ball away from the goal.
Just asking
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2023 11:50:24 GMT 1
Isn’t it relevant that the keeper clattered the players after they’d played the ball not before, In that same logic, a player plays the ball round the keeper and is brought down and it's not a penalty because he's already played the ball? Liverpool fans are completely intolerable but United fans aren't half getting worse now they're finally flirting with the top four again.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 15, 2023 12:10:12 GMT 1
Isn’t it relevant that the keeper clattered the players after they’d played the ball not before, In that same logic, a player plays the ball round the keeper and is brought down and it's not a penalty because he's already played the ball? Liverpool fans are completely intolerable but United fans aren't half getting worse now they're finally flirting with the top four again. Not sure what Liverpool have to do with it apart from Pilch calling anyone who thinks that’s a penalty a scouser!
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2023 12:17:13 GMT 1
The ref, VAR and assistants being dropped for the next round of fixtures tells you everything you need to know.
Case closed.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 12:26:00 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 15, 2023 12:45:42 GMT 1
The ref, VAR and assistants being dropped for the next round of fixtures tells you everything you need to know. Case closed. I agree breaking news refs make mistakes 👊
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2023 13:01:20 GMT 1
The ref, VAR and assistants being dropped for the next round of fixtures tells you everything you need to know. Case closed. I agree breaking news refs make mistakes 👊 The referee can make mistakes, he's human, however that's the whole point of VAR Unless you've been living under a rock? They've got what appears to be unlimited time and multiple cameras angles, replays and the ability to send the referee for another look. Again, it's ridiculous.
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Post by jamo on Aug 15, 2023 13:49:10 GMT 1
Carlsberg don’t do penalties, but if they did ….
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 15, 2023 14:23:54 GMT 1
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 15, 2023 14:47:30 GMT 1
Yet another good advert for "Should have gone to specsavers".
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Post by wookeywombat on Aug 15, 2023 15:08:30 GMT 1
Yet another good advert for "Should have gone to specsavers". Probably why Scotland knows a thing or two as their refs are sponsored by Specsavers
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 15:18:02 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 15, 2023 15:20:24 GMT 1
As someone who is completely ambiguous towards Man Utd, Liverpool and the Premiership as a whole I think that Utd were very fortunate to get away with that decision. As others have said VAR is supposed to be there to cut out the human error, but in many cases it exacerbates the issues and gives the impression that certain clubs get decisions that other clubs don't. Our 'goal' at Anfield being a case in point. Had the Liverpool goal had an infringement over 60 seconds prior would that have been picked up by VAR?
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 15:47:59 GMT 1
As someone who is completely ambiguous towards Man Utd, Liverpool and the Premiership as a whole I think that Utd were very fortunate to get away with that decision. As others have said VAR is supposed to be there to cut out the human error, but in many cases it exacerbates the issues and gives the impression that certain clubs get decisions that other clubs don't. Our 'goal' at Anfield being a case in point. Had the Liverpool goal had an infringement over 60 seconds prior would that have been picked up by VAR? watch it again, and ask yourself what the player the keeper collided was doing ? did he get the ball or did he block the keeper I guess VAR all depends what colour tops they had on at the time maybe town defenders should throw themselves around aimlessly in front of burtons keeper on corners tonight in hope he bumps into one of them attempting to actually win the ball
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Post by block12massive on Aug 15, 2023 15:50:20 GMT 1
What would Cotterill do in the situation?
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Post by block12massive on Aug 15, 2023 15:50:30 GMT 1
Or Pyke?
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Post by block12massive on Aug 15, 2023 15:53:37 GMT 1
Wolves may find themselves on the right side of a generous decision at the weekend.
I can't remember the exact game, but after our umpteenth red card was rescinded last season, one of the reffing performances at home suggested someone had had a quiet word in their ear beforehand.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 16:00:13 GMT 1
I know you like to get pyke into every conversation going but trying to shoehorn him into a VAR thread about this weekends VAR decisions is stretching it even for you, I only just got salah in through the back door
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Post by mattmw on Aug 15, 2023 18:14:51 GMT 1
I had £10 on United to win so was desperately trying to cash out my bet when the incident happened, as my initial thought was clear penalty. Quite glad it wasn’t as my bet wouldn’t cash out
Think the introduction of some kind of explanation in the women’s World Cup about decisions helps fans understand the decisions more.
Despite watching football for over 40 years I’m increasingly puzzled what the rules are and genuinely would have liked an explanation as to why the VAR officials didn’t refer the incident for review last night.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 18:20:04 GMT 1
I had £10 on United to win so was desperately trying to cash out my bet when the incident happened, as my initial thought was clear penalty. Quite glad it wasn’t as my bet wouldn’t cash out Think the introduction of some kind of explanation in the women’s World Cup about decisions helps fans understand the decisions more. Despite watching football for over 40 years I’m increasingly puzzled what the rules are and genuinely would have liked an explanation as to why the VAR officials didn’t refer the incident for review last night. perhaps they came to the correct conclusion it was 2 opposing players coming together after the ball had long gone after both getting nowhere near it how did you see it ?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 15, 2023 19:21:52 GMT 1
I know football is a game of opinions but based on the fact Jon Moss (manager of the Premier League's elite group of officials) said it was a blatant penalty and apologised to Gary O'Neil, it would suggest that its a fairly safe bet that Utd got away with one last night.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 15, 2023 20:30:30 GMT 1
I had £10 on United to win so was desperately trying to cash out my bet when the incident happened, as my initial thought was clear penalty. Quite glad it wasn’t as my bet wouldn’t cash out Think the introduction of some kind of explanation in the women’s World Cup about decisions helps fans understand the decisions more. Despite watching football for over 40 years I’m increasingly puzzled what the rules are and genuinely would have liked an explanation as to why the VAR officials didn’t refer the incident for review last night. perhaps they came to the correct conclusion it was 2 opposing players coming together after the ball had long gone after both getting nowhere near it how did you see it ? My initial though was penalty (closely followed by there goes my bet) That was based on the keeper not touching the ball before the player and not really being in control of the challenge But on repeated viewing you could make a case that the keepers actions didn’t necessarily stop the wolves player from heading the ball, and as such didn’t affect that passage of play or stop a goal Just purely for my own interest would just like to know the process VAR went through in making the decision to be better informed as a fan what the rules are.
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 15, 2023 20:47:21 GMT 1
The process was, the referee got in touch with VAR, but fergie said it wasn't a foul👍👍🤷🤷😂🥳
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Post by shroppygold on Aug 15, 2023 20:52:14 GMT 1
Penalty or no penalty wolves should of hammered united
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 15, 2023 21:53:22 GMT 1
Should of been at least 5-0 up, the strikers need shooting, brilliant otherwise👍
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2023 22:15:15 GMT 1
Penalty or no penalty wolves should of hammered united penalty or no penalty, they would have missed the target anyway based in the previous 100 minutes
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 15, 2023 22:24:58 GMT 1
This thread is absolute gold 😂
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