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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2023 11:56:54 GMT 1
It wasn't just the audio that's inexcusable its the video of her covered in bruises and blood rushing down her face. Not denying he wasn't responsible, but we'll never know the full story. Maybe in time. I mean they are also talking about new material coming to light...so who knows.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2023 11:58:46 GMT 1
I don't quite see what that proves? Two lads message two girls and arrange a meet up ... It only proves they're both cheats as they both had partners at the time, but they're not criminals.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2023 12:06:36 GMT 1
it proves about as much as the speculation on this thread , it just adds to the debate , and if anything makes some of the opinions look a bit embarrassing back then , in the meantime it looks like he's still guilty until proved innocent
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 17:44:55 GMT 1
I am 41, married man, have done Jury service twice. Just to correct you on point 1 that is indecent exposure, Sexual assault is when somebody touches your body and rape if he penetrates you. I believe from what i read he was charged with attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Just to educate you that the "sexual assault" charge he was never on trial or suspected of. I understand you can rape your wife, girlfriend or one night stand. Do you really think that your convicting a guy on a 50 seconds recording? that shows a very small snippet of the whole conversation? Did we hear what happened afterwards? maybe nothing happened? More thinking the coercive behaviour from that clip that he could of gone down for? PS glad to have you back Appreciate your point on that, but my point remains the same about the circumstances and whether you know or don't know the perpetrator. Good to be back, I think 👍 It doesn't matter if you know the person if he/she/they/them, they are innocent until proven guilty. These things shouldn't be in the press until there charged. if there not charged then it shouldn't be reported, as my wife did point out that only 8% of rape victims get a conviction, which is shocking! "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law" Although the papers like a story, I think I posted up the girl who accused people of rape. Everyone thought he was guilty smashed up his businesses. He was then named and shamed before the trial. Again put yourself in his boots. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64150026There was a few images I saw today of bruising on her legs, now if she alleged that happened that's defiantly Assault occasioning actual bodily harm, but i still can't understand why she is back with him, all sounds very coercive controlling, that she's suddenly back with him. I suppose we will have to wait until he does it again! I just wonder if this will be a David Goodwillie story, again a guy who didn't get convicted via the CPS but was guilty in a Civil court, never to play football again. That was quite a weird story as they had enough evidence to convict in a civil casebut not via the CPS
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Post by barrynic on Feb 3, 2023 19:31:32 GMT 1
Balance of probability in a civil case.
Beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal case.
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Post by mcrshrew on Feb 3, 2023 21:23:06 GMT 1
Balance of probability in a civil case. Beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal case. Someone's going to have to explain this to me as I thought that a criminal issue (and one as serious as rape) had to go to the criminal court and that civil court was for families / divorce, debts etc.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 3, 2023 22:05:53 GMT 1
Balance of probability in a civil case. Beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal case. Someone's going to have to explain this to me as I thought that a criminal issue (and one as serious as rape) had to go to the criminal court and that civil court was for families / divorce, debts etc. A victim of rape can sue their attacker in the civil courts if they have the means to pay compensation.
If the CPS won't take it to the criminal court it's another option.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 3, 2023 22:14:58 GMT 1
The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2023 22:24:31 GMT 1
The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club. I totally agree, and I thought the same about Steve Gerrard , did you ?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 3, 2023 22:41:33 GMT 1
The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club. I totally agree, and I thought the same about Steve Gerrard , did you ? Unsavoury incident, I abhor violence of all-kind and anyone acting the hard man when drunk needs taking down a peg or two. Not sure why you’ve chosen to bring that up though unless you were going for some gotcha, it’s completely off-topic?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2023 22:58:37 GMT 1
I totally agree, and I thought the same about Steve Gerrard , did you ? Unsavoury incident, I abhor violence of all-kind and anyone acting the hard man when drunk needs taking down a peg or two. Not sure why you’ve chosen to bring that up though unless you were going for some gotcha, it’s completely off-topic? off topic ? , well when you mentioned The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find ( insert name here ) guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club steve gerrard sprung to mind as that's how i feel about him so i thought i'd ask you what you think of gerrard , it's quite relevant as i believe you support liverpool and are still very fond of gerrard and have never said a bad word about him
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Feb 3, 2023 23:43:37 GMT 1
Quite abhorrent for anyone whose life has been touched by domestic or sexual violence to see a false equivalence logical fallacy to Gerrard being a little scrote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 23:48:00 GMT 1
Unsavoury incident, I abhor violence of all-kind and anyone acting the hard man when drunk needs taking down a peg or two. Not sure why you’ve chosen to bring that up though unless you were going for some gotcha, it’s completely off-topic? off topic ? , well when you mentioned The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find ( insert name here ) guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club steve gerrard sprung to mind as that's how i feel about him so i thought i'd ask you what you think of gerrard , it's quite relevant as i believe you support liverpool and are still very fond of gerrard and have never said a bad word about him Bobby Grant and Ian Dunbavin were both with him during the affray in Southport, both represented our club…
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2023 0:38:14 GMT 1
off topic ? , well when you mentioned The case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find ( insert name here ) guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club steve gerrard sprung to mind as that's how i feel about him so i thought i'd ask you what you think of gerrard , it's quite relevant as i believe you support liverpool and are still very fond of gerrard and have never said a bad word about him Bobby Grant and Ian Dunbavin were both with him during the affray in Southport, both represented our club… dunbavin is the biggest disgrace our club has ever had
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 4, 2023 8:40:13 GMT 1
Quite abhorrent for anyone whose life has been touched by domestic or sexual violence to see a false equivalence logical fallacy to Gerrard being a little scrote. It’s irrelevant whataboutery at best, at worst it’s as you say, quite abhorrent Perhaps a Steven Gerrard thread could be started, and said post moved to its own thread? Can a Mod sort this please? Not sure this thread topic can be any clearly than it’s title “Mason Greenwood”
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 4, 2023 9:04:14 GMT 1
There’s probably quite a few nasty pieces of work who have played for us over the years, if we only but knew the truth.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 4, 2023 10:00:29 GMT 1
Quite abhorrent for anyone whose life has been touched by domestic or sexual violence to see a false equivalence logical fallacy to Gerrard being a little scrote. It’s irrelevant whataboutery at best, at worst it’s as you say, quite abhorrent Perhaps a Steven Gerrard thread could be started, and said post moved to its own thread? Can a Mod sort this please? Not sure this thread topic can be any clearly than it’s title “Mason Greenwood” How about a sub board? We could call it Irrelevant Irrelevances with Liverpool connections. Think it might catch on.
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Post by MetaShrew on Feb 4, 2023 10:12:51 GMT 1
Maybe this thread should be deleted. It's just B&A members tearing into each other, overlooking the highly sensitive topic at hand.
Anyone wanting to follow the story can do so at BBC News.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 4, 2023 10:17:29 GMT 1
Maybe this thread should be deleted. It's just B&A members tearing into each other, overlooking the highly sensitive topic at hand. Anyone wanting to follow the story can do so at BBC News. The thread was ok, there were respected opinions back and forth, then it went O/T with Liverpool. Greenwood plays for, or in fact may never play again for Manchester United.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 4, 2023 10:33:15 GMT 1
Maybe this thread should be deleted. It's just B&A members tearing into each other, overlooking the highly sensitive topic at hand. Anyone wanting to follow the story can do so at BBC News. It’s a popular claim on here that Liverpool related threads get deliberately ‘derailed’ so that they get closed/removed, is that what’s happened here by one poster?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2023 10:37:30 GMT 1
Maybe this thread should be deleted. It's just B&A members tearing into each other, overlooking the highly sensitive topic at hand. Anyone wanting to follow the story can do so at BBC News. The thread was ok, there were respected opinions back and forth, then it went O/T with Liverpool. Greenwood plays for, or in fact may never play again for Manchester United. speaking of O/T didn't you involve a blue and amber members wife walking down a street and a stranger getting his dick out at one point ?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2023 10:38:35 GMT 1
Maybe this thread should be deleted. It's just B&A members tearing into each other, overlooking the highly sensitive topic at hand. Anyone wanting to follow the story can do so at BBC News. It’s a popular claim on here that Liverpool related threads get deliberately ‘derailed’ so that they get closed/removed, is that what’s happened here by one poster? stop crying like a big baby
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 4, 2023 11:30:58 GMT 1
Hold on, the Gerrard comment was made in contrast to a man whose "case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club,"
That's how it should be compared. Some of the responses to the Gerrard post are assuming Greenwood is a convicted man, he isn't. Other "odious despicable excuses for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club," are available and they are not limited to men accused of a sex attack.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2023 11:48:28 GMT 1
Hold on, the Gerrard comment was made in contrast to a man whose "case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club," That's how it should be compared. Some of the responses to the Gerrard post are assuming Greenwood is a convicted man, he isn't. Other "odious despicable excuses for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club," are available and they are not limited to men accused of a sex attack. someone spoke about Nick Kyrgios who actually admitted beating his girlfriend ( no one batted an eyelid ) someone mentioned Gary Glitter, we all know what happened there and yet nothing again Someone mentioned Stevie G
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Post by WATR on Feb 4, 2023 13:02:04 GMT 1
Yes in future nobody should comment on Mason Greenwood’s sexual assault case without first condemning a drunken Steven Gerrard punching a DJ 14 years ago.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 4, 2023 13:31:28 GMT 1
Hold on, the Gerrard comment was made in contrast to a man whose "case might have fallen apart but there’s enough evidence to find Greenwood guilty of being an odious despicable excuse for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club," That's how it should be compared. Some of the responses to the Gerrard post are assuming Greenwood is a convicted man, he isn't. Other "odious despicable excuses for a man and somebody I would loath to see representing my club," are available and they are not limited to men accused of a sex attack. someone spoke about Nick Kyrgios who actually admitted beating his girlfriend ( no one batted an eyelid ) someone mentioned Gary Glitter, we all know what happened there and yet nothing again Someone mentioned Stevie G Nice try, but you’d already mentioned Gerrard twice and nobody batted an eyelid. But if you’re going to reply to a post of mine referencing it then of course I’ll respond. Third time lucky for you.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 4, 2023 13:34:18 GMT 1
Yes in future nobody should comment on Mason Greenwood’s sexual assault case without first condemning a drunken Steven Gerrard punching a DJ 14 years ago. Would you want either of those type of characters representing your club? I think that is the point. Collins went because he had a wee, we also had a guy who allegedly had a punch up in a pub in his own town who fell out of favour.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2023 13:40:59 GMT 1
Yes in future nobody should comment on Mason Greenwood’s sexual assault case without first condemning a drunken Steven Gerrard punching a DJ 14 years ago. good idea, lets make it a board rule
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Post by WATR on Feb 4, 2023 13:45:41 GMT 1
Yes in future nobody should comment on Mason Greenwood’s sexual assault case without first condemning a drunken Steven Gerrard punching a DJ 14 years ago. Would you want either of those type of characters representing your club? I think that is the point. Collins went because he had a wee, we also had a guy who allegedly had a punch up in a pub in his own town who fell out of favour. I’m sure most of us could make an extremely long list of people we wouldn’t want associated with our club. To bring up Steven Gerrard three separate times in the context of this thread is just bizarre in my opinion.
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 4, 2023 13:46:32 GMT 1
Would you want either of those type of characters representing your club? I think that is the point. Collins went because he had a wee, we also had a guy who allegedly had a punch up in a pub in his own town who fell out of favour. I’m sure most of us could make an extremely long list of people we wouldn’t want associated with our club. To bring up Steven Gerrard three separate times in the context of this thread is just bizarre in my opinion. The obsession and contempt clearly runs deep, as you say, bizarre
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