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Post by northwestman on Feb 2, 2023 20:57:01 GMT 1
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Post by shroppygold on Feb 2, 2023 21:06:47 GMT 1
The fact is the charges have been dropped he’s a innocent man.
I can’t see him playing for united for the next two years and they can’t sack him as he’s technically done nothing wrong
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 2, 2023 21:14:36 GMT 1
Have Utd been paying his wages since this first came to light?
I was interested to note that mr Mendy didn’t get paid by City from the moment he was charged
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Post by jamo on Feb 2, 2023 21:30:56 GMT 1
Have Utd been paying his wages since this first came to light? I was interested to note that mr Mendy didn’t get paid by City from the moment he was charged Almost certainly not. But if I was his representative I would certainly be going to them now to get that stopped salary reinstated.
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Post by shroppygold on Feb 2, 2023 21:41:56 GMT 1
Have Utd been paying his wages since this first came to light? I was interested to note that mr Mendy didn’t get paid by City from the moment he was charged At the time a employment lawyer spoke on radio. By law united only had to pay maximum of 14 days pay but after that a decision had to be made by the club. As it was a on going case they couldn’t fire him or have him back at the club so had to pay his wages in full. Think now because he been released no charge he can take his sponsors who dropped him to court for the remainder of his pay etc.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 2, 2023 22:06:54 GMT 1
Have Utd been paying his wages since this first came to light? I was interested to note that mr Mendy didn’t get paid by City from the moment he was charged At the time a employment lawyer spoke on radio. By law united only had to pay maximum of 14 days pay but after that a decision had to be made by the club. As it was a on going case they couldn’t fire him or have him back at the club so had to pay his wages in full. Think now because he been released no charge he can take his sponsors who dropped him to court for the remainder of his pay etc. they will simply have had a exit/pause clause in his contract /sponsorship that covers things like disrepute, police investigations, non delivery of contracts , cancellation, and other things that will might affect the sponsor / employer to make return from their investment, its good that he's been cleared now and not dragged through the courts like mendy has been or worse still like ched evans was and wrongly convicted ruining what was a great promising career
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Post by shroppygold on Feb 2, 2023 22:13:59 GMT 1
At the time a employment lawyer spoke on radio. By law united only had to pay maximum of 14 days pay but after that a decision had to be made by the club. As it was a on going case they couldn’t fire him or have him back at the club so had to pay his wages in full. Think now because he been released no charge he can take his sponsors who dropped him to court for the remainder of his pay etc. they will simply have had a exit/pause clause in his contract /sponsorship that covers things like disrepute, police investigations, non delivery of contracts , cancellation, and other things that will might affect the sponsor / employer to make return from their investment, its good that he's been cleared now and not dragged through the courts like mendy has been or worse still like ched evans was and wrongly convicted ruining what was a great promising career Nike have announced his contact is back on and will pay what he’s missed
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Post by Pilch on Feb 2, 2023 22:18:22 GMT 1
they will simply have had a exit/pause clause in his contract /sponsorship that covers things like disrepute, police investigations, non delivery of contracts , cancellation, and other things that will might affect the sponsor / employer to make return from their investment, its good that he's been cleared now and not dragged through the courts like mendy has been or worse still like ched evans was and wrongly convicted ruining what was a great promising career Nike have announced his contact is back on and will pay what he’s missed I heard predator want to sign him
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Post by mcrshrew on Feb 2, 2023 23:27:41 GMT 1
Alternative explanation; what if it turned out he or his representatives sat down with the victim (assuming she was the 'key witness' that pulled out) and made amends (as much as is possible in the circumstances)
That way, he gets to salvage his career, and they both avoid a gruelling several-year legal battle (also bearing in mind the plaintiff's identity often makes it online during these things and they cop a load of abuse / death threats).
Then she withheld her identity being named only as the 'key witness' (as to publicly withdraw the complaint would be controversial).
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 2, 2023 23:27:43 GMT 1
Don’t think another English club will want to touch him, so reckon get sold to a foreign club.
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Post by mcrshrew on Feb 2, 2023 23:29:01 GMT 1
This tweet sums it up quite well. She needs to be careful as she could be sued for libel for that (I believe).
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Post by Pilch on Feb 2, 2023 23:52:26 GMT 1
Alternative explanation; what if it turned out he or his representatives sat down with the victim (assuming she was the 'key witness' that pulled out) and made amends (as much as is possible in the circumstances) That way, he gets to salvage his career, and they both avoid a gruelling several-year legal battle (also bearing in mind the plaintiff's identity often makes it online during these things and they cop a load of abuse / death threats). Then she withheld her identity being named only as the 'key witness' (as to publicly withdraw the complaint would be controversial). alternative explanation ? sounds like just yet another accusation of him being guilty to me
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 3, 2023 0:24:13 GMT 1
Alternative explanation; what if it turned out he or his representatives sat down with the victim (assuming she was the 'key witness' that pulled out) and made amends (as much as is possible in the circumstances) That way, he gets to salvage his career, and they both avoid a gruelling several-year legal battle (also bearing in mind the plaintiff's identity often makes it online during these things and they cop a load of abuse / death threats). Then she withheld her identity being named only as the 'key witness' (as to publicly withdraw the complaint would be controversial). alternative explanation ? sounds like just yet another accusation of him being guilty to me If anything like that went on would it not be considered "Attempting to pervert the cause of justice."
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 3, 2023 0:30:21 GMT 1
they will simply have had a exit/pause clause in his contract /sponsorship that covers things like disrepute, police investigations, non delivery of contracts , cancellation, and other things that will might affect the sponsor / employer to make return from their investment, its good that he's been cleared now and not dragged through the courts like mendy has been or worse still like ched evans was and wrongly convicted ruining what was a great promising career Nike have announced his contact is back on and will pay what he’s missed Interesting, there's plenty of people who will now lobby Nike, try to arrange boycotts, etc. This one is going to run and run.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2023 0:50:08 GMT 1
I understand everyone on this board is from different backgrounds, ages, generations etc, but I just want to make sure everyone is clear on one thing: 1) Your wife is walking down the street, a stranger asks her for sex, she says no, a male then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. 2) A husband asks his wife for sex, she says no, the husband then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. It doesn't matter whether it's a stranger or your nearest and dearest, if you say no and somebody sexually advances on you it's sexual assault. I'm not going to lambast anybody on here, we're all from different generations, it's about education. I am 41, married man, have done Jury service twice. Just to correct you on point 1 that is indecent exposure, Sexual assault is when somebody touches your body and rape if he penetrates you. I believe from what i read he was charged with attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Just to educate you that the "sexual assault" charge he was never on trial or suspected of. I understand you can rape your wife, girlfriend or one night stand. Do you really think that your convicting a guy on a 50 seconds recording? that shows a very small snippet of the whole conversation? Did we hear what happened afterwards? maybe nothing happened? More thinking the coercive behaviour from that clip that he could of gone down for? PS glad to have you back Appreciate your point on that, but my point remains the same about the circumstances and whether you know or don't know the perpetrator. Good to be back, I think 👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2023 8:32:33 GMT 1
they will simply have had a exit/pause clause in his contract /sponsorship that covers things like disrepute, police investigations, non delivery of contracts , cancellation, and other things that will might affect the sponsor / employer to make return from their investment, its good that he's been cleared now and not dragged through the courts like mendy has been or worse still like ched evans was and wrongly convicted ruining what was a great promising career Nike have announced his contact is back on and will pay what he’s missed I'm surprised at that. That audio clip that was shared on this thread alone would have seen me cut all ties.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 3, 2023 9:35:50 GMT 1
This tweet sums it up quite well. I think we can all guess what has happened here. The victim is the key witness, if she continues to testify with the video evidence it would be an easy guilty verdict. I cant think of many reasons she would withdraw her testimony. She withdrew her statement last April, 8 months ago, so maybe not the only reason…..
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Post by block12massive on Feb 3, 2023 9:43:34 GMT 1
I read somewhere that Greenwood's contract runs out in the Summer. The issue will dominate every press conference until United come out and clarify their position but one presumes they will likely not renew his contract at the end of the season and maybe keep him out of the fold until then. The fact they're in decent form and have similar players in abundance probably makes it easier to do that. Like the Benjamin Mendy case, Greenwood is another one that falls into the category of not guilty in accordance with the law but pretty guilty by public opinion and although I don't often agree with that position, the 'evidence' that we all saw and heard was pretty damning in this case. What's the situation with Mendy at Man City does anyone know? Edit: Looks like he is under contract until 2025. United have a big decision on their hands.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 3, 2023 9:48:05 GMT 1
It wasn't just the audio that's inexcusable its the video of her covered in bruises and blood rushing down her face.
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Post by block12massive on Feb 3, 2023 9:57:00 GMT 1
It wasn't just the audio that's inexcusable its the video of her covered in bruises and blood rushing down her face. "Allegedly". Not denying he wasn't responsible, but we'll never know the full story. I read somewhere that Greenwood and his ex both "follow" each other on Instagram, so it's likely some form of reconciliation has taken place.
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Post by jamo on Feb 3, 2023 11:02:15 GMT 1
No question that Utd have a very real dilemma on their hands now, and it will need handling sensitively and assuredly.
They are a worldwide ‘brand’ with a large female fanbase and a top female team as an integral part of the club. Any brushing under the carpet of this matter will have serious repercussions.
There is also the issue of whether Ten Hag would want Greenwood back in the fold with all the associated baggage that would bring. Since his arrival at old Trafford ETH has worked massively on getting the fanbase onside with his playing philosophy, he has a talented squad that he has complete control of, would he want to risk all that by re-introducing a player he has not worked with nor actually needed. Also, how would his teammates view his return? Would they all be totally accepting? I doubt ETH wants to introduce any chance of squad disharmony.
All that, and yet Greenwood, given the turn of events has an absolute right to earn a living. And Utd being Utd, they will want some return on their investment. Greenwood should now take a little time, take expert advice and then publicly- via one of Utd’s many media outlets, make a full apology for his actions. And then move onto to ply his craft somewhere else, hopefully not in this country, can you imagine the abuse that would follow his every game !
One thing I am certain of though. He should never play for England again wherever his career takes him and despite whatever he achieves in the game
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Post by Dancin on Feb 3, 2023 11:05:35 GMT 1
Cracking Phone In on Nicky Campbells show currently on this subject. A real split 50/50 on what should happen now.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2023 11:20:19 GMT 1
No question that Utd have a very real dilemma on their hands now, and it will need handling sensitively and assuredly. They are a worldwide ‘brand’ with a large female fanbase and a top female team as an integral part of the club. Any brushing under the carpet of this matter will have serious repercussions. There is also the issue of whether Ten Hag would want Greenwood back in the fold with all the associated baggage that would bring. Since his arrival at old Trafford ETH has worked massively on getting the fanbase onside with his playing philosophy, he has a talented squad that he has complete control of, would he want to risk all that by re-introducing a player he has not worked with nor actually needed. Also, how would his teammates view his return? Would they all be totally accepting? I doubt ETH wants to introduce any chance of squad disharmony. All that, and yet Greenwood, given the turn of events has an absolute right to earn a living. And Utd being Utd, they will want some return on their investment. Greenwood should now take a little time, take expert advice and then publicly- via one of Utd’s many media outlets, make a full apology for his actions. And then move onto to ply his craft somewhere else, hopefully not in this country, can you imagine the abuse that would follow his every game ! One thing I am certain of though. He should never play for England again wherever his career takes him and despite whatever he achieves in the game Pretty balanced post, I don't want him hung off Victoria Station but I equally never want him representing England. He may as well jet off to America and ply his trade over there, they'll have anyone.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2023 11:23:48 GMT 1
Cracking Phone In on Nicky Campbells show currently on this subject. A real split 50/50 on what should happen now. There's a lot of disturbing comments online, 90+% male it has to be said. There's people genuinely suggesting she should be sued and jailed because he's "totally innocent", it's sickening. The country and probably the world has a huge problem on it's hands with sexism and misogyny, people like Andrew Tate don't help spouting foul ideologies online that have filtered into young teenage boys who think his ideas are acceptable. I'd urge you to look into Andrew Tate and the dangerous influence he's had on young boys/men if you haven't already it's an eye opener.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2023 11:26:30 GMT 1
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Post by block12massive on Feb 3, 2023 11:31:07 GMT 1
Teenage lad chats to girl on social media and arranges to meet up. Struggling to see where the 'gotcha' is on this one?
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Post by Dancin on Feb 3, 2023 11:35:02 GMT 1
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Post by block12massive on Feb 3, 2023 11:41:36 GMT 1
I suppose Kyrgios is only accountable to himself and is only likely to damage his own 'brand' by his behaviour. He'll probably lose sponsorship deals and such like but as he seems to get off on the whole 'bad boy' image I can't imagine his reputation will suffer too badly. A different age I know, but if Georgie Best or Gazza were around today would there be the same calls for them never to be allowed to play the game again?
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Post by Dancin on Feb 3, 2023 11:46:09 GMT 1
I suppose Kyrgios is only accountable to himself and is only likely to damage his own 'brand' by his behaviour. He'll probably lose sponsorship deals and such like but as he seems to get off on the whole 'bad boy' image I can't imagine his reputation will suffer too badly. A different age I know, but if Georgie Best or Gazza were around today would there be the same calls for them never to be allowed to play the game again? Ref Gazza etc; yeah there probably would be?
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 3, 2023 11:47:54 GMT 1
Meanwhile, Gary Glitter is out after serving 8 years of a 16 year sentence. One more reason to lock up your daughters.
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