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Post by block12massive on Feb 2, 2023 15:18:46 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Feb 2, 2023 15:36:07 GMT 1
Was he under suspension at Man U or sacked; be interesting what they do now?
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 2, 2023 15:51:43 GMT 1
Hopefully he'll have his contract terminated but understand that could be difficult considering he was never proven guilty.
The videos/pictures of the incident were awful though so can only assume this has been dropped on a technicality.
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Post by Dancin on Feb 2, 2023 16:15:57 GMT 1
Hopefully he'll have his contract terminated but understand that could be difficult considering he was never proven guilty. The videos/pictures of the incident were awful though so can only assume this has been dropped on a technicality. Why when charges have been dropped? Key Witness pulled out of testifying apparently.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 16:19:25 GMT 1
A sad message to all young girls and women.
The evidence was absolutely damning.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 2, 2023 16:20:54 GMT 1
A sad message to all young girls and women. The evidence was absolutely damning. Oh, in that case best lock him up then 🙄
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Feb 2, 2023 16:30:31 GMT 1
Difficult for Man United to know what to do now. Greenwood, although all charges have been dropped, there is enough evidence to suggest that he still hasn’t come out well out of all this and is not innocent on certain things.
One way or another he will probs just drop back to League One or Two to rebuild his career in a similar way Lee Hughes did.
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Post by Dancin on Feb 2, 2023 16:36:36 GMT 1
A sad message to all young girls and women. The evidence was absolutely damning. But not damning enough for a case to collapse when one witness pulls out?
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Post by block12massive on Feb 2, 2023 16:43:42 GMT 1
I read somewhere that Greenwood's contract runs out in the Summer.
The issue will dominate every press conference until United come out and clarify their position but one presumes they will likely not renew his contract at the end of the season and maybe keep him out of the fold until then.
The fact they're in decent form and have similar players in abundance probably makes it easier to do that.
Like the Benjamin Mendy case, Greenwood is another one that falls into the category of not guilty in accordance with the law but pretty guilty by public opinion and although I don't often agree with that position, the 'evidence' that we all saw and heard was pretty damning in this case.
What's the situation with Mendy at Man City does anyone know?
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Post by gtismygod on Feb 2, 2023 16:48:23 GMT 1
United will surely pay him off and get rid.
A brand like that wouldn’t risk the possible negative publicity around bringing him back into the first team.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 2, 2023 17:28:24 GMT 1
So he’s guilty, everyone’s seen the evidence, except me. Was it on main stream news or just on social media?
The CPS can continue with a case if charges are dropped (by the victim), so wonder why they aren't if it’s that clear cut?
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 17:29:02 GMT 1
A sad message to all young girls and women. The evidence was absolutely damning. Oh, in that case best lock him up then 🙄 I don't know what more they need to prosecute without any witnesses. In a world where young girls & women don't bother reporting sexual assaults and rapes because of the horrendously low conviction rates it's another kick in the teeth.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 17:33:09 GMT 1
So he’s guilty, everyone’s seen the evidence, except me. Was it on main stream news or just on social media? The CPS can continue with a case if charges are dropped (by the victim), so wonder why they aren't if it’s that clear cut?
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Post by northwestman on Feb 2, 2023 17:39:06 GMT 1
news.sky.com/story/manchester-united-footballer-mason-greenwood-has-all-charges-against-him-dropped-12801562The 21-year-old forward faced one count of attempted rape, one count of controlling and coercive behaviour, and one count of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. All three charges related to the same woman. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it had a " duty to stop the case" following the "withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light". www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/02/prosecutors-drop-alleged-case-against-mason-greenwoodGreenwood had been due to stand trial in November this year after being charged with attempted rape, assault and “repeatedly engaging” in coercive and controlling behaviour. He was accused of attempting to rape the complainant in October 2021 – a charge he denied – and of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in December that year. The footballer was also charged with monitoring the complainant’s social media accounts and “making threats and derogatory comments towards her, amounting to a serious effect upon her,” a court was told last year. It can now be reported, however, that key witnesses withdrew cooperation from the police investigation in April 2022. A court heard last October how a central plank in the inquiry had collapsed only four months after Greenwood was arrested.
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Post by jamo on Feb 2, 2023 17:42:25 GMT 1
Difficult for Man United to know what to do now. Greenwood, although all charges have been dropped, there is enough evidence to suggest that he still hasn’t come out well out of all this and is not innocent on certain things. One way or another he will probs just drop back to League One or Two to rebuild his career in a similar way Lee Hughes did. I have no truck with Greenwood or his alleged behaviour, but to in any way equate this story with that of Lee Hughes is quite staggering.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 17:44:19 GMT 1
This tweet sums it up quite well.
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Post by jamo on Feb 2, 2023 17:46:22 GMT 1
United will surely pay him off and get rid. A brand like that wouldn’t risk the possible negative publicity around bringing him back into the first team. Not at all sure that will be the case. In cold terms, Greenwood is an asset. United paid £72 million for Sancho who is a player of similar age, experience and style. No way will they let that out of the door if the Glazers have anything to do with it. I am not sure that he will ever play for United again but they will want something for him. Leave this country and go to the MLS to revive a once promising career would be my advice.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 2, 2023 18:02:25 GMT 1
He will damage the 'brand' too much so I'm pretty confident that he will never wear a Utd shirt again. I have no doubt that another club will pick him up, perhaps abroad where he won't be in the spotlight so much (before eventually coming back to England in a few years time).
However, who he plays for really shouldn't be the issue here and there should be serious questions asked about how cases of domestic violence are dealt with.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 2, 2023 18:17:24 GMT 1
I remember when it was Steve Gerrard they actually had video evidence of him pummelling a guy, VAR said no foul, pummelling stands
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Feb 2, 2023 18:28:41 GMT 1
Man United club statement:
Manchester United notes the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service that all charges against Mason Greenwood have been dropped.
The club will now conduct its own process before determining next steps. We will not make any further comment until that process is complete.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 19:24:34 GMT 1
So he’s guilty, everyone’s seen the evidence, except me. Was it on main stream news or just on social media? The CPS can continue with a case if charges are dropped (by the victim), so wonder why they aren't if it’s that clear cut? What does that show? He wanted sex she said no, he got his dick out. I didn't hear any attack nor her screaming? She said no he got p**sed off and annoyed did he stick it in her from that sound clip no he didn't. This guilty before proven incident thing really annoys me, Happy to have a sensible debate!
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 19:30:03 GMT 1
What does that show? He wanted sex she said no, he got his dick out. I didn't hear any attack nor her screaming? She said no he got p**sed off and annoyed did he stick it in her from that sound clip no he didn't. This guilty before proven incident thing really annoys me, Happy to have a sensible debate! Just to be 100% clear, you don't see a problem with a male getting his dick out to a female after she's already said no?
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Feb 2, 2023 19:33:26 GMT 1
What does that show? He wanted sex she said no, he got his dick out. I didn't hear any attack nor her screaming? She said no he got p**sed off and annoyed did he stick it in her from that sound clip no he didn't. This guilty before proven incident thing really annoys me, Happy to have a sensible debate! It also shows he's more likely than not an arrogant, selfish, emotionally stunted, w@nk stain of a human being but whether we like it or not, that's not the same as being found guilty in court on charges which the CPS, rightly or wrongly, and for whatever reason, don't feel able to pursue. I'm afraid I detest the court of public opinion almost as much as I hate dick heads like Greenwood but without any charges against him he has every right to want to continue his career, at both club and country level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 19:33:33 GMT 1
What does that show? He wanted sex she said no, he got his dick out. I didn't hear any attack nor her screaming? She said no he got p**sed off and annoyed did he stick it in her from that sound clip no he didn't. This guilty before proven incident thing really annoys me, Happy to have a sensible debate! Just to be 100% clear, you don't see a problem with a male getting his dick out to a female after she's already said no? Again as i said about Mendy he's not a nice man! There are plenty of not nice men out there. Does that make him guilty in law? I would really like to know what happened before the clip and after it? it seems that there is still 2 minutes after that conversation and the 10 minutes before? Seems that the clip has been edited in a way to show guilt
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Post by Pilch on Feb 2, 2023 19:49:08 GMT 1
funny how depending what peoples opinions were before a lawful decision was made, it seems people are never willing to accept a decision unless it was the one they wanted
Brexit cake gate beergate Gerrard barton lee Hughes Greenwood mendy
etc etc
pathetic debates, the lot of them
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 2, 2023 20:15:01 GMT 1
funny how depending what peoples opinions were before a lawful decision was made, it seems people are never willing to accept a decision unless it was the one they wanted Brexit cake gate beergate Gerrard barton lee Hughes Greenwood mendy etc etc pathetic debates, the lot of them Can only go by what the law decides, that's why it's there. Would imagine a decision not to prosecute in this case was very carefully thought out, given the public backlash it was bound to stir up.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 2, 2023 20:15:29 GMT 1
Just to be 100% clear, you don't see a problem with a male getting his dick out to a female after she's already said no? Again as i said about Mendy he's not a nice man! There are plenty of not nice men out there. Does that make him guilty in law? I would really like to know what happened before the clip and after it? it seems that there is still 2 minutes after that conversation and the 10 minutes before? Seems that the clip has been edited in a way to show guilt I understand everyone on this board is from different backgrounds, ages, generations etc, but I just want to make sure everyone is clear on one thing: 1) Your wife is walking down the street, a stranger asks her for sex, she says no, a male then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. 2) A husband asks his wife for sex, she says no, the husband then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. It doesn't matter whether it's a stranger or your nearest and dearest, if you say no and somebody sexually advances on you it's sexual assault. I'm not going to lambast anybody on here, we're all from different generations, it's about education.
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Post by secretshrew on Feb 2, 2023 20:15:42 GMT 1
I think a Ched Evans comparison would have been better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 20:42:53 GMT 1
Again as i said about Mendy he's not a nice man! There are plenty of not nice men out there. Does that make him guilty in law? I would really like to know what happened before the clip and after it? it seems that there is still 2 minutes after that conversation and the 10 minutes before? Seems that the clip has been edited in a way to show guilt I understand everyone on this board is from different backgrounds, ages, generations etc, but I just want to make sure everyone is clear on one thing: 1) Your wife is walking down the street, a stranger asks her for sex, she says no, a male then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. 2) A husband asks his wife for sex, she says no, the husband then gets his dick out ... This is sexual assault. It doesn't matter whether it's a stranger or your nearest and dearest, if you say no and somebody sexually advances on you it's sexual assault. I'm not going to lambast anybody on here, we're all from different generations, it's about education. I am 41, married man, have done Jury service twice. Just to correct you on point 1 that is indecent exposure, Sexual assault is when somebody touches your body and rape if he penetrates you. I believe from what i read he was charged with attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Just to educate you that the "sexual assault" charge he was never on trial or suspected of. I understand you can rape your wife, girlfriend or one night stand. Do you really think that your convicting a guy on a 50 seconds recording? that shows a very small snippet of the whole conversation? Did we hear what happened afterwards? maybe nothing happened? More thinking the coercive behaviour from that clip that he could of gone down for? PS glad to have you back
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 2, 2023 20:47:41 GMT 1
This tweet sums it up quite well. I think we can all guess what has happened here. The victim is the key witness, if she continues to testify with the video evidence it would be an easy guilty verdict. I cant think of many reasons she would withdraw her testimony.
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