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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 10:44:09 GMT 1
the strangest bit is how an elbow to the face is deemed as a yellow card 😜
it's ok us saying flanagan going off changed the game
the correct outcome might have been flanagan going off subbed , marosi sent off and banned for 3 games
and harry trotting onto the pitch to replace them both 😜
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 9, 2022 10:44:47 GMT 1
Good management. Sticking up for your employees in face of adversary 😀 With any luck the players feeling hard done by as a group might bring them closer together and give them that extra bit of motivation after being screwed out of a positive result.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 9, 2022 10:45:38 GMT 1
Demote him, unprofessional.
A poor man's Mike Dean.
Up there in the hall of shame with Joe Ross.
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 9, 2022 10:46:04 GMT 1
the strangest bit is how an elbow to the face is deemed as a yellow card 😜 it's ok us saying flanagan going off changed the game the correct outcome might have been flanagan going off subbed , marosi send off and banned for 3 games and harry trotting onto the pitch to replace them both 😜 It was a push not an elbow, I also think he was pushing the player away but as he was looking the opposite direction he ended up pushing his face. Very lucky and stupid to even ask the question but it is not violent conduct imo.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 9, 2022 10:47:04 GMT 1
Andy Haines isn't a new name on the block - he's always been s**te whenever he's down here, same with Sebastien Stockbridge
Need to move on now as licking our wounds won't change anything
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 9, 2022 10:49:56 GMT 1
Great thread from start to finish 😂
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 10:51:11 GMT 1
the strangest bit is how an elbow to the face is deemed as a yellow card 😜 it's ok us saying flanagan going off changed the game the correct outcome might have been flanagan going off subbed , marosi send off and banned for 3 games and harry trotting onto the pitch to replace them both 😜 It was a push not an elbow, I also think he was pushing the player away but as he was looking the opposite direction he ended up pushing his face. Very lucky and stupid to even ask the question but it is not violent conduct imo. the rule states a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible it was a clear red for me
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 9, 2022 10:56:26 GMT 1
It was a push not an elbow, I also think he was pushing the player away but as he was looking the opposite direction he ended up pushing his face. Very lucky and stupid to even ask the question but it is not violent conduct imo. the rule states a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible it was a clear red for me Then either of the following has happened The ref saw it and believed it was negligible The ref saw it but does not know the rules The ref didn't see it (but no retrospective ban so this is unlikely) Either way the ref was s**te and without doubt the incorrect sending off of Flanagan cost us the game.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 9, 2022 11:01:55 GMT 1
The force was incredibly negligible, the Accy player fell like someone in Block 2 had pulled a sniper out on him - unfortunately part of the game now, we'd have almost certainly done the same roles reversed.
Never a red card in a million years, yellow for Marosi, yellow for their player for simulation
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 11:23:05 GMT 1
The force was incredibly negligible, the Accy player fell like someone in Block 2 had pulled a sniper out on him - unfortunately part of the game now, we'd have almost certainly done the same roles reversed. Never a red card in a million years, yellow for Marosi, yellow for their player for simulation let's get it right , he fell like mo salah 😜
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 9, 2022 11:34:24 GMT 1
Seems just as strange that Marosi was not spoken to/punished at the time as it was strange that Flanagan was booked.
Hopefully everything has evened out now, although we may have missed out on a point on Saturday as a result of being a man down.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 11:38:57 GMT 1
Seems just as strange that Marosi was not spoken to/punished at the time as it was strange that Flanagan was booked. Hopefully everything has evened out now, although we may have missed out on a point on Saturday as a result of being a man down. we should not have been given a free kick , play should not have stopped in which case they would have had a penalty
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 9, 2022 12:01:42 GMT 1
Seems just as strange that Marosi was not spoken to/punished at the time as it was strange that Flanagan was booked. Hopefully everything has evened out now, although we may have missed out on a point on Saturday as a result of being a man down. we should not have been given a free kick , play should not have stopped in which case they would have had a penalty You're on your own on this, sir!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 9, 2022 12:12:18 GMT 1
In case you didn't see it on twitter, the last time this ref sent off a Shrewsbury Town player it was ALSO overturned (Norburn vs Mansfield in the FA cup in 2019)
vendetta!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 9, 2022 12:15:34 GMT 1
If I was Flanagan, the next time Mr Incompetent was reffing me, as I was walking off at half time, I'd say to him, "see ya later" in a quiet voice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 12:37:41 GMT 1
It's quite funny how its turned out. 24 hours ago we had gone viral for the sending off and many of our fans were mocking the club for daring to appeal, now it's overturned and the ref/FA have gone viral for getting an outfield & goalkeeper getting mixed up.
Marosi's 'elbow' was never a red card by the way, it was incredibly stupid and he should be reprimanded by SC but the reaction of the Accy player was just as embarrassing.
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Post by Mr Magoo on Aug 9, 2022 12:40:28 GMT 1
Overturned.!!
🤣 Hilarious to see how many “no chance” experts on here 🤣
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Post by blamber on Aug 9, 2022 13:12:28 GMT 1
It still cost us a point though. I hope the ref and his lino are satisfied with their afternoon's work. They should be made to apologise and miss three games. Perhaps if there were consequences to their actions, then officials might not be so keen to make it all about them. Of course, mistakes are made by refs but this is nothing short of inept.
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Post by secretshrew on Aug 9, 2022 13:16:58 GMT 1
Flanagan literally pulled someone to the ground Someone's having a laugh aren't they? I did see to is on Facebook earlier. fb.watch/eMM-IhEt8G/“One yellow for the push, second yellow for dissent, and that one’s a red, see ya later” 🤣 The refs behaviour looks really poor now given today’s appeal.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 9, 2022 13:51:38 GMT 1
Luckily our manager has a clearer understanding of the current rules and regs than most of the experts on B&A - it’s almost as if some want him to fail.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 14:08:00 GMT 1
Luckily our manager has a clearer understanding of the current rules and regs than most of the experts on B&A - it’s almost as if some want him to fail. the fact is most of us incorrectly presumed the one yellow was for dissent ( as we were not told ) did anyone even consider the ref had mistaken marosi for flanagan ? none of us had the refs report either we got it 3rd hand from the star before you have a pop at anyone i'm sure there would have been a hot thread had we known what the cards were for
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 9, 2022 14:11:06 GMT 1
Luckily our manager has a clearer understanding of the current rules and regs than most of the experts on B&A - it’s almost as if some want him to fail. the fact is most of us incorrectly presumed the one yellow was for dissent ( as we were not told ) did anyone even consider the ref had mistaken marosi for flanagan ? none of us had the refs report either we got it 3rd hand from the star before you have a pop at anyone i'm sure there would have been a hot thread had we known what the cards were for People still kept spouting bile when the Star reported why we were appealing. As for having a pop, what’s the point? Nobody will change their opinion.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 9, 2022 14:31:08 GMT 1
It was a push not an elbow, I also think he was pushing the player away but as he was looking the opposite direction he ended up pushing his face. Very lucky and stupid to even ask the question but it is not violent conduct imo. the rule states a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible it was a clear red for me You think it was a deliberate elbow? Look again.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 14:42:00 GMT 1
the fact is most of us incorrectly presumed the one yellow was for dissent ( as we were not told ) did anyone even consider the ref had mistaken marosi for flanagan ? none of us had the refs report either we got it 3rd hand from the star before you have a pop at anyone i'm sure there would have been a hot thread had we known what the cards were for People still kept spouting bile when the Star reported why we were appealing. As for having a pop, what’s the point? Nobody will change their opinion. some were yes, most went to the opinion that if we win this the ref is a total idiot, I can see anywhere where cotterill gets a mention or they hope we fail, most changed their opinion
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Post by Pilch on Aug 9, 2022 14:44:00 GMT 1
the rule states a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible it was a clear red for me You think it was a deliberate elbow? Look again. I saw it on the day, I've only seen it once since, I did think it was deliberate, I was amazed he stayed on the pitch, even more so amazed when it turns out he was mixed up with Flanagan, happy with the outcome, but I think we were lucky overall
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 9, 2022 15:56:36 GMT 1
You think it was a deliberate elbow? Look again. I saw it on the day, I've only seen it once since, I did think it was deliberate, I was amazed he stayed on the pitch, even more so amazed when it turns out he was mixed up with Flanagan, happy with the outcome, but I think we were lucky overall Also the ref was quoted as saying one for the push one for decent so was Merosi’s a push or an elbow? Im confused by the whole thing, maybe mis reporting and the ref never said ‘and here’s a red see you later’ ?
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 9, 2022 15:58:58 GMT 1
I saw it on the day, I've only seen it once since, I did think it was deliberate, I was amazed he stayed on the pitch, even more so amazed when it turns out he was mixed up with Flanagan, happy with the outcome, but I think we were lucky overall Also the ref was quoted as saying one for the push one for decent so was Merosi’s a push or an elbow? Im confused by the whole thing, maybe mis reporting and the ref never said ‘and here’s a red see you later’ ? Flanagan pushed a different player over which was a yellow. I can’t understand where the mistaken identity comes in.
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Post by kfordshrew on Aug 9, 2022 16:02:15 GMT 1
I saw it on the day, I've only seen it once since, I did think it was deliberate, I was amazed he stayed on the pitch, even more so amazed when it turns out he was mixed up with Flanagan, happy with the outcome, but I think we were lucky overall Also the ref was quoted as saying one for the push one for decent so was Merosi’s a push or an elbow? Im confused by the whole thing, maybe mis reporting and the ref never said ‘and here’s a red see you later’ ? Not according to leahy he said one for getting involved and one for retaliation, the ref never mentioned dissent . So I presume the retaliation was Marosi and the getting involved Flanagan
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 9, 2022 16:06:41 GMT 1
Also the ref was quoted as saying one for the push one for decent so was Merosi’s a push or an elbow? Im confused by the whole thing, maybe mis reporting and the ref never said ‘and here’s a red see you later’ ? Flanagan pushed a different player over which was a yellow. I can’t understand where the mistaken identity comes in. So Marosi’s was for getting involved? My brain hurts?
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Post by block12massive on Aug 9, 2022 16:13:31 GMT 1
There must have been more in it that we don’t know about. Perhaps the refs off the cuff remark didn’t go in his favour with the panel as well. Very unprofessional. There’s always one incompetent ref to take over as one retires I’m afraid. I'm no expert in lip reading but do we know that's exactly what he said? The thing that I can't get my head around is that in swinging a player to the ground, Flanagan has grounds for being sent off. Harsh yes, but it's very unlikely you'd win an appeal when you've clearly grounded someone. Albeit as some mitigation they've gone down like a sack of potatoes. Therefore is the appeal based on the fact that the referee's seemingly public explanation for sending him off was flawed or what? Even if he thought Marosi was Flanagan, which requires quite a stretch to do so, surely the fact Flanagan was guilty of doing pretty much the same thing isn't enough to overturn a ban? It's such an odd one.
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