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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 12, 2022 13:19:01 GMT 1
anyone breaking this propsed speed limit face a £100 fine and 3 penalty points, i thought it was fair article but i know this will be contreversal www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62020427"Speed limits in built-up areas look set to be reduced from 30mph to 20mph in Wales from next year - a UK first that is controversial among some drivers. Ministers say a 20mph speed limit will lower road collisions and traffic noise and encourage people to walk and cycle. The slower limit has been divisive in areas where there have been trials with some motorists complaining of more congestion and journeys taking longer. The proposed new law will be put before a Welsh Parliament vote on Tuesday."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 13:38:27 GMT 1
This is interesting one, people don't stick to the 20mph, I was doing 20mph around my roads at home, I live within two schools so for around 1/2 a mile radius of where I live is a strict 20mph zone. I had a police car hustling not doing the 20mph, clearly I couldn't speed up . All this will do is become a cash making exercise for the police and speed camera vans as 20mph its fine around schools between Monday to Friday 8am and 4pm, but otherwise it should be a 30mph at any other times. I can understand this in city centres, Parks/Playgrounds and Schools. To me it will be a longer drag around Wales on already slow winding roads.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 12, 2022 13:48:24 GMT 1
I also can understand this in city centres, Parks/Playgrounds and Schools and considering the graph in thinking and stopping time and the evidence that shows what serious injurys could be reduced then i think it is sensible.
i hope it does not become a cash cow and is introduced sensibly,i recently returned from llangranog and on the route there is lengthy 30mph speed limit which i belive was introduced after a number of fatalities from accidents, you would hope that this would not be reduced to 20mph . a few years back in shrewsbury the mount was made 30mph iv lost count how many times iv been overtaken or been tailgated as i stick to 30mph.
i think you will find this will soon be the norm did they not introduce a trial scheeme in porthill ?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 13:59:10 GMT 1
20 m.p.h is at present only an advisory limit in front of schools, but nevertheless if you are involved in an accident whilst keeping to the 30 m.p.h. mandatory limit you can still be charged with driving without due care and attention.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 12, 2022 13:59:23 GMT 1
More petty small-mindedness from a devolved government better suited to the pedantism of a parish council rather than an entire country.
Coming soon - a law against licking stamps.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2022 14:03:02 GMT 1
The Welsh have used motorists as a cash cow for as long as I've ever known.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 14:05:38 GMT 1
More petty small-mindedness from a devolved government better suited to the pedantism of a parish council rather than an entire country. Coming soon - a law against licking stamps. It certainly won't do a lot for the tourist trade. Not to mention that some of the existing 30 m.p.h. limits are seriously questionable - mind you, I include Shropshire in that remark.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 12, 2022 14:09:40 GMT 1
This is interesting one, people don't stick to the 20mph, I was doing 20mph around my roads at home, I live within two schools so for around 1/2 a mile radius of where I live is a strict 20mph zone. I had a police car hustling not doing the 20mph, clearly I couldn't speed up . All this will do is become a cash making exercise for the police and speed camera vans as 20mph its fine around schools between Monday to Friday 8am and 4pm, but otherwise it should be a 30mph at any other times. I can understand this in city centres, Parks/Playgrounds and Schools. To me it will be a longer drag around Wales on already slow winding roads. Is the 20 mph the speed limit all the time or just when the school lights flash?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 14:09:58 GMT 1
The Welsh have used motorists as a cash cow for as long as I've ever known. I remember when that clown Brunstrom was Chief Constable of North Wales. One Sunday, I drove from Mold to Betwys y Coed and there were FIVE speed traps set up along a road with a 60 m.p.h. limit.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 12, 2022 14:18:35 GMT 1
I went to Kelso earlier in the year and a lot of towns and villages in Scotland have had 20mph limits for a while and I honestly didn't mind them.
A lot of smaller villages in Wales only have narrow footpaths, if any at all and if it makes it safer for pedestrians who am I to complain?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 14:18:42 GMT 1
I wonder what people thought when 30 mph speed limits were brought in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 14:46:01 GMT 1
This is interesting one, people don't stick to the 20mph, I was doing 20mph around my roads at home, I live within two schools so for around 1/2 a mile radius of where I live is a strict 20mph zone. I had a police car hustling not doing the 20mph, clearly I couldn't speed up . All this will do is become a cash making exercise for the police and speed camera vans as 20mph its fine around schools between Monday to Friday 8am and 4pm, but otherwise it should be a 30mph at any other times. I can understand this in city centres, Parks/Playgrounds and Schools. To me it will be a longer drag around Wales on already slow winding roads. Is the 20 mph the speed limit all the time or just when the school lights flash? No all the time
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Post by Pilch on Jul 12, 2022 14:51:43 GMT 1
20 m.p.h is at present only an advisory limit in front of schools, but nevertheless if you are involved in an accident whilst keeping to the 30 m.p.h. mandatory limit you can still be charged with driving without due care and attention. are you sure ? I thought advisory limits are shown on rectangle signs, if they are in a circle then that's the limit, and if it says when lights flash its when the lights flash
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 15:00:21 GMT 1
20 m.p.h is at present only an advisory limit in front of schools, but nevertheless if you are involved in an accident whilst keeping to the 30 m.p.h. mandatory limit you can still be charged with driving without due care and attention. are you sure ? I thought advisory limits are shown on rectangle signs, if they are in a circle then that's the limit, and if it says when lights flash its when the lights flash Think your right if its in a red circle its enforceable if is a flashing lights no red circle its an advisory, e.g motorway flashing lights 50 is an advisory, but if its a digital with a red circle around that's mandatory
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 15:16:28 GMT 1
Most 20 m.p.h. limits are surrounded by a black circle. This means that the limits are advisory only. This was confirmed to me last week on my Speed Awareness Course.
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Post by servernaside on Jul 12, 2022 15:19:14 GMT 1
The proposed 20 mph speed limit is still 19 mph faster than Mark Drakeford's thought processes.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 12, 2022 15:24:25 GMT 1
I wonder what people thought when 30 mph speed limits were brought in? Probably nothing too much. 30mph limits have been around longer than me as I cant remember them being brought in, just been there as i grew up. So many cars couldnt go a lot faster back then, unlike todays vehicles.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 15:27:25 GMT 1
The discretionary 10% + 2 miles allowance that West Mercia Police are prepared to operate does not apply in Wales, where there is zero tolerance.
31-35 m.p.h. in a 30 m.p.h zone in Shropshire - you are likely to be let off.
31 m.p.h. in Wales - zero tolerance and either a speed awareness course or 3 points on your licence.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 12, 2022 22:17:24 GMT 1
20 mph is a really stupid idea. How many of us know the engine speed that equates to around 30 and around 40? Saves having to keep your attention fixed firmly on the speedo.
How many of us get a bit agitated when someone is going 25 in a 30, but put up with it? How many are going to put up with duffers doing 15 in a 20 without getting irate?
People crossing the road expect traffic to be moving along at a reasonable pace How many more will "take a chance" if they think the traffic is moving dead slow? Some drivers won't be, some will be overtaking, even though they should not be. Many more than if traffic was going a reasonable speed.
It's a trend that needs to be stopped, as does speed bumps, just because some chumps can't stick to 30. Then there are those bollards and especially narrowed carriageways - just the thing to cause an accident in bright sunlight or icy conditions...
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Post by horse01 on Jul 13, 2022 0:06:27 GMT 1
Most 20 m.p.h. limits are surrounded by a black circle. This means that the limits are advisory only. This was confirmed to me last week on my Speed Awareness Course. Where are these road signs with black circles??
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Post by northwestman on Jul 13, 2022 9:37:24 GMT 1
Most 20 m.p.h. limits are surrounded by a black circle. This means that the limits are advisory only. This was confirmed to me last week on my Speed Awareness Course. Where are these road signs with black circles?? Outside schools. There's one outside Flint High School. The 'Arrive Alive' van was outside there on a Saturday recently before moving to Sychdyn, where they placed the van a few hundred yards from a fixed camera at a point where drivers were beginning to accelerate away from the 30 m.p.h. limit. North Wales Police have even hidden cameras in a horse box! www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-police-use-horsebox-2843667
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Post by albionshrew on Jul 13, 2022 11:58:41 GMT 1
Most of inner-city Brighton & Hove is 20 mph. Probably not good for fuel consumption but it keeps the kamikaze pedestrians safe. Doesn't stop the crazy cyclists (most of whom are colour blind when it comes to traffic lights) from blasting around the streets and pavements either!
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Post by kp on Jul 13, 2022 12:35:42 GMT 1
I went to Kelso earlier in the year and a lot of towns and villages in Scotland have had 20mph limits for a while and I honestly didn't mind them. A lot of smaller villages in Wales only have narrow footpaths, if any at all and if it makes it safer for pedestrians who am I to complain? Rhosllanerchrugog is one of the largest villages in Wales with a population of over 10k and it has many roads with no pavement. People step straight out of their front doors and into the road.
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 13, 2022 13:18:42 GMT 1
The discretionary 10% + 2 miles allowance that West Mercia Police are prepared to operate does not apply in Wales, where there is zero tolerance. 31-35 m.p.h. in a 30 m.p.h zone in Shropshire - you are likely to be let off. 31 m.p.h. in Wales - zero tolerance and either a speed awareness course or 3 points on your licence. Don't bank on it. I was caught doing 32mph by the "camera in the white van" that parks up on London Rd. It was during lockdown, the tech was shut, it was pre-8am, there were no pedestrians or cyclists around, and I was the only car on the road. If they want to give you a ticket they will - 1mph over is sufficient for a fine.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 13, 2022 13:20:49 GMT 1
Most of inner-city Brighton & Hove is 20 mph. Probably not good for fuel consumption but it keeps the kamikaze pedestrians safe. Doesn't stop the crazy cyclists (most of whom are colour blind when it comes to traffic lights) from blasting around the streets and pavements either! i used to cycle and you get good and stupid cyclists and motorists , i see plenty of amber gambler cars and cyclists in shrewsbury.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 13, 2022 13:27:37 GMT 1
Cyclists can comfortably manage over 20 m.p.h.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 13, 2022 15:35:50 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 13, 2022 15:36:42 GMT 1
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