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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 12, 2022 10:57:42 GMT 1
Interesting story developing with Sir Mo, and by the sounds of it initially there seems to be no talk of any sort of legal action. My question is would this be the case if it was Mo Farah who worked in the car wash, restaurant, or any other low paid industry, rather than Mo Farah the much lauded and knighted Olympic Champion?
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Post by block12massive on Jul 12, 2022 11:09:25 GMT 1
My basic understanding is as he was under 18 when he was trafficked, it would be unlikely his citizenship could be revoked.
Seems curious timing though for a "tell all".
And leads to many questions about who trafficked/enslaved him and his family, and whether they will face retrospective justice or not.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2022 12:01:55 GMT 1
If your immediate thought is whether the bloke will face legal action or not then there's something wrong with you.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 12, 2022 17:31:32 GMT 1
If your immediate thought is whether the bloke will face legal action or not then there's something wrong with you. There is nothing wrong with me as I didn't actually say that did I!! I was merely raising the point that given his admission, will he be treated differently than others less fortunate and in a similar position, due to his achievements and "celebrity" status. But I will add that if he has done something illegal then yes he should be investigated as anyone else would be, regardless. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2022 17:34:16 GMT 1
If your immediate thought is whether the bloke will face legal action or not then there's something wrong with you. There is nothing wrong with me as I didn't actually say that did I!! I was merely raising the point that given his admission, will he be treated differently than others less fortunate and in a similar position, due to his achievements and "celebrity" status. But I will add that if he has done something illegal then yes he should be investigated as anyone else would be, regardless. I never named you or quoted you, I simply made a statement, but as the saying goes, if the shoe fits then wear it. |
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 12, 2022 17:44:48 GMT 1
There is nothing wrong with me as I didn't actually say that did I!! I was merely raising the point that given his admission, will he be treated differently than others less fortunate and in a similar position, due to his achievements and "celebrity" status. But I will add that if he has done something illegal then yes he should be investigated as anyone else would be, regardless. I never named you or quoted you, I simply made a statement, but as the saying goes, if the shoe fits then wear it. My shoes fit comfortably thank you. As I said I merely raised a question of discussion regarding consistency, but you seem to think there is a hidden agenda from this, so please feel free to pick it apart and share with us what you find. |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jul 12, 2022 18:06:13 GMT 1
Getting it out in the open to prevent a possible tabloid exposé in the near future? I like Sir Mo.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 12, 2022 18:39:06 GMT 1
My favourite story about Mo Farah was from some years ago. Drug testers allegedly called at his house and rang his door bell to conduct a random test. Nobody answered the door although the testers say they saw him inside. The testers continued to ring for an hour before giving up and leaving. Later in the week Mo explained that although he was in, he didn't hear the bell.
In a later race, Mo was leading and when it came to the last lap the commentator said, "Farah has increased the pace at the sound of the bell". The co-commentator replied sarcastically, "I'm surprised he heard it!".
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 12, 2022 19:43:34 GMT 1
My basic understanding is as he was under 18 when he was trafficked, it would be unlikely his citizenship could be revoked. Seems curious timing though for a "tell all". And leads to many questions about who trafficked/enslaved him and his family, and whether they will face retrospective justice or not. The people who trafficked him are known and were asked to comment, but refused.
Does this mean Priti will be sending him to Rwanda? Or will the next PM send Priti there, or at least ensure she's just a backbencher
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Post by block12massive on Jul 13, 2022 8:39:53 GMT 1
My basic understanding is as he was under 18 when he was trafficked, it would be unlikely his citizenship could be revoked. Seems curious timing though for a "tell all". And leads to many questions about who trafficked/enslaved him and his family, and whether they will face retrospective justice or not. The people who trafficked him are known and were aske to comment, but refused.
Does this mean Priti will be sending him to Rwanda? Or will the next PM send Priti there, or at least ensure she's just a backbencher
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 8:49:39 GMT 1
The people who trafficked him are known and were aske to comment, but refused.
Does this mean Priti will be sending him to Rwanda? Or will the next PM send Priti there, or at least ensure she's just a backbencher
Another weird flex. Meant to be.
What this stpry shows is that from adversity people can put extra effort in and rise to the top. Those deciding that France isn't the place they want to seek refuge and risking all to get here could be the sort of people who will strive to do well here.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 13, 2022 8:52:44 GMT 1
If they know who the people are does this mean they will prosecute them?
These are the sort of people we should be saying we don’t want.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 10:09:43 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 13, 2022 21:01:44 GMT 1
My basic understanding is as he was under 18 when he was trafficked, it would be unlikely his citizenship could be revoked. Seems curious timing though for a "tell all". And leads to many questions about who trafficked/enslaved him and his family, and whether they will face retrospective justice or not. The people who trafficked him are known and were asked to comment, but refused.
Does this mean Priti will be sending him to Rwanda? Or will the next PM send Priti there, or at least ensure she's just a backbencher
Good point. Made me think, how many potential Tory PMs or gold medal winners might be sent to Rwanda under the Govt’s policy? |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 8:48:55 GMT 1
The people who trafficked him are known and were asked to comment, but refused.
Does this mean Priti will be sending him to Rwanda? Or will the next PM send Priti there, or at least ensure she's just a backbencher
Good point. Made me think, how many potential Tory PMs or gold medal winners might be sent to Rwanda under the Govt’s policy? Once again no condemnation of the traffickers or the family that enslaved Farah, only the government. I guess we should start assessing all migrants on the basis of their Olympic potential as opposed to the security risk they may pose or how likely they are to blow up a bus in the future. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 10:59:36 GMT 1
Good point. Made me think, how many potential Tory PMs or gold medal winners might be sent to Rwanda under the Govt’s policy? Once again no condemnation of the traffickers or the family that enslaved Farah, only the government. I guess we should start assessing all migrants on the basis of their Olympic potential as opposed to the security risk they may pose or how likely they are to blow up a bus in the future. I must admit it's been interesting to see the reaction online, lots of 'under the Tories he would have been sent to Rwanda' or 'he'd never have won his medals/become a Sir', how about the fact a young boy was trafficked to Britain and then lived as a slave in this country. Yes what he achieved is a fantastic story, but what about the ones that don't end up becoming Olympic Winners? |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 14, 2022 11:05:07 GMT 1
If you really think it’s necessary, yes, I absolutely condemn the vile people who trade on human misery for their own gain. They are the pits of humanity. Is that enough for you?
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 11:11:07 GMT 1
I suppose the next time Salman Abedi or the like does something like blow up innocent children, we can take to twitter and say "if only the leftie Human Rights lawyers hadn't have stopped him being sent to Rwanda".
And we can continue tit-for-tat ad infinitum.
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 12:35:32 GMT 1
I suppose the next time Salman Abedi or the like does something like blow up innocent children, we can take to twitter and say "if only the leftie Human Rights lawyers hadn't have stopped him being sent to Rwanda". And we can continue tit-for-tat ad infinitum. Yes because terror attacks are really common and are always undertaken by 'illegal immigrants'. Whatever you do, DO NOT COMPARE, the number of people who have died after coming into contact with the police in the UK to the number of people who have died after coming into contact with foreign born terrorists in the UK. It might shake your 'right wing', seemingly rather fearful, world. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 12:36:48 GMT 1
Once again no condemnation of the traffickers or the family that enslaved Farah, only the government. I guess we should start assessing all migrants on the basis of their Olympic potential as opposed to the security risk they may pose or how likely they are to blow up a bus in the future. I must admit it's been interesting to see the reaction online, lots of 'under the Tories he would have been sent to Rwanda' or 'he'd never have won his medals/become a Sir', how about the fact a young boy was trafficked to Britain and then lived as a slave in this country. Yes what he achieved is a fantastic story, but what about the ones that don't end up becoming Olympic Winners? The ones who don't win Olympic Gold can be deported surely...? |
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 14, 2022 12:45:03 GMT 1
Maybe Sir Mo can move in next door to Paddington Bear once he gets deported 🙄
Wasn’t in favour of the policy itself and still not (although note every Tory candidate has backed it) and some of the initial stories showed a heartlessness and callousness, I’m sure the policy could be enacted in a way that resettles individuals with compassion and dignity. Whether it achieves its ultimate aim of stopping the vile traffickers who knows?
Using Mo’s story as an argument for open borders and no checks on who’s entering the country, as inspiring as it is, is just a complete non-starter for me.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 12:56:24 GMT 1
I suppose the next time Salman Abedi or the like does something like blow up innocent children, we can take to twitter and say "if only the leftie Human Rights lawyers hadn't have stopped him being sent to Rwanda". And we can continue tit-for-tat ad infinitum. Yes because terror attacks are really common and are always undertaken by 'illegal immigrants'. Whatever you do, DO NOT COMPARE, the number of people who have died after coming into contact with the police in the UK to the number of people who have died after coming into contact with foreign born terrorists in the UK. It might shake your 'right wing', seemingly rather fearful, world. Why the capitals? It's like reading an article in 'The Sun'. The tedious argument posed by Worthing and the like was that an immigration system of any sort may deny a future gold medal winning Olympian from being allowed to settle in the country. But our immigration system allowed a man to blow himself up with a load of children. That much is indisputable, whether a "common" occurrence or not. Here's a novel idea - perhaps every case should be judged on it's merits and the correct policy is somewhere between 'no immigration' and 'mass immigration'. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 13:09:02 GMT 1
Once again no condemnation of the traffickers or the family that enslaved Farah, only the government. I guess we should start assessing all migrants on the basis of their Olympic potential as opposed to the security risk they may pose or how likely they are to blow up a bus in the future. I must admit it's been interesting to see the reaction online, lots of 'under the Tories he would have been sent to Rwanda' or 'he'd never have won his medals/become a Sir', how about the fact a young boy was trafficked to Britain and then lived as a slave in this country. Yes what he achieved is a fantastic story, but what about the ones that don't end up becoming Olympic Winners? I should think most end up as hard working happy members of our diverse community. Adding something to the social fabric of Great Britain. After all, they have risked everything, including paying all the money they pocess to a crook, to get them here. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 13:15:17 GMT 1
Yes because terror attacks are really common and are always undertaken by 'illegal immigrants'. Whatever you do, DO NOT COMPARE, the number of people who have died after coming into contact with the police in the UK to the number of people who have died after coming into contact with foreign born terrorists in the UK. It might shake your 'right wing', seemingly rather fearful, world. Why the capitals? It's like reading an article in 'The Sun'. The tedious argument posed by Worthing and the like was that an immigration system of any sort may deny a future gold medal winning Olympian from being allowed to settle in the country. But our immigration system allowed a man to blow himself up with a load of children. That much is indisputable, whether a "common" occurrence or not. Here's a novel idea - perhaps every case should be judged on it's merits and the correct policy is somewhere between 'no immigration' and 'mass immigration'. Fair enough, now all we need to do is decide if that should be judged in Great Britain or Rwanda? |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 13:53:43 GMT 1
Yes because terror attacks are really common and are always undertaken by 'illegal immigrants'. Whatever you do, DO NOT COMPARE, the number of people who have died after coming into contact with the police in the UK to the number of people who have died after coming into contact with foreign born terrorists in the UK. It might shake your 'right wing', seemingly rather fearful, world. Why the capitals? It's like reading an article in 'The Sun'. The tedious argument posed by Worthing and the like was that an immigration system of any sort may deny a future gold medal winning Olympian from being allowed to settle in the country. But our immigration system allowed a man to blow himself up with a load of children. That much is indisputable, whether a "common" occurrence or not. Here's a novel idea - perhaps every case should be judged on it's merits and the correct policy is somewhere between 'no immigration' and 'mass immigration'. Did you check out the statistics? No? I didn't think you would. Here is a novel idea, do so, it helps makes for informed opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 14:05:34 GMT 1
I must admit it's been interesting to see the reaction online, lots of 'under the Tories he would have been sent to Rwanda' or 'he'd never have won his medals/become a Sir', how about the fact a young boy was trafficked to Britain and then lived as a slave in this country. Yes what he achieved is a fantastic story, but what about the ones that don't end up becoming Olympic Winners? I should think most end up as hard working happy members of our diverse community. Adding something to the social fabric of Great Britain. After all, they have risked everything, including paying all the money they pocess to a crook, to get them here. What I was getting at was how many people end up living as slaves. His story had a happy ending because his teachers were concerned about him & cared enough so he eventually opened up to them to reveal the truth, they then contacted social services and his life changed. But how many people did not have similar teachers (or anyone) who cared enough to take an interest in them and continue(d) to live as slaves |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 14:09:27 GMT 1
Why the capitals? It's like reading an article in 'The Sun'. The tedious argument posed by Worthing and the like was that an immigration system of any sort may deny a future gold medal winning Olympian from being allowed to settle in the country. But our immigration system allowed a man to blow himself up with a load of children. That much is indisputable, whether a "common" occurrence or not. Here's a novel idea - perhaps every case should be judged on it's merits and the correct policy is somewhere between 'no immigration' and 'mass immigration'. Did you check out the statistics? No? I didn't think you would. Here is a novel idea, do so, it helps makes for informed opinion. So we shouldn't have an effective immigration system because the Police behave worse than terrorists? We shouldn't keep dangerous dogs under control because they kill less people than wasps or cows? If that's your argument then it is absurd. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:13:33 GMT 1
Did you check out the statistics? No? I didn't think you would. Here is a novel idea, do so, it helps makes for informed opinion. So we shouldn't have an effective immigration system because the Police behave worse than terrorists? We shouldn't keep dangerous dogs under control because they kill less people than wasps or cows? If that's your argument then it is absurd. I take it you are aware of the 'straw man' concept? What is absurd is your attempt at the logical fallacy named above... If you need the point being made spelling out, just ask... BTW your analogy does not work as dogs kill more than wasps and cows combined. |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 14:19:34 GMT 1
So we shouldn't have an effective immigration system because the Police behave worse than terrorists? We shouldn't keep dangerous dogs under control because they kill less people than wasps or cows? If that's your argument then it is absurd. I take it you are aware of the 'straw man' concept? What is absurd is your attempt at the logical fallacy named above... If you need the point being made spelling out, just ask... BTW your analogy does not work as dogs kill more than wasps and cows combined. So we shouldn't have an effective immigration system because the Police behave worse than terrorists? I'm still waiting for your answer on this. And until then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not as incoherent as your argument implies. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:29:19 GMT 1
I take it you are aware of the 'straw man' concept? What is absurd is your attempt at the logical fallacy named above... If you need the point being made spelling out, just ask... BTW your analogy does not work as dogs kill more than wasps and cows combined. So we shouldn't have an effective immigration system because the Police behave worse than terrorists? I'm still waiting for your answer on this. And until then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not as incoherent as your argument implies. I take it you are not aware of the concept of the straw man logical fallacy. I tend not to answer non sequiters. You posited it, you answer it. |
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