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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 13, 2022 10:31:31 GMT 1
Get away, really... Anyhow, like I say elsewhere, who is it say any kit supplier will agree to such terms? We're Shrewsbury. I suspect for the most part we are having to approach kit suppliers rather than visa-versa. And more so when we are a club of our size requesting something bespoke. Could well be that this sort of thing is easier said than done. Some will have more success than others depending on negotiating skills. My point was I don’t believe it just “down to UMBRO” …. surely there’s a contract they have to work to? As for a club our size requesting something bespoke, haven’t we done that for 10s of years along with most EFL clubs? I think some will have more success depending on the size of the club, the size of the support, the amount of items to be sold and the amount of money Umbro will make. But we are guessing. To say we ought to include penalties into in the contract when we have absolutely no idea whether that would be worth Umbro's while, whether they would simply walk away. We don't know, it might be easier said than done. We're division 3 Shrewsbury. Plus of course there might be something in place but depending on the issue, it still may mean things arrive late. And when it comes to previous kits we have tended to go with 'smaller' suppliers. I would think we would have the same issue with Nike, Puma, Adidas for example (if we could even get them interested). You go with smaller suppliers and I think they are more flexible, it maybe more worth their while (Admiral, Errea). Regarding other clubs, you will find a good few in the lower leagues who go with the likes of Nike, Adidas etc. will go for their team collections, off the peg shirts. Something that is easy to do for example if you have blue shirts, red shirts, red and white stripes. Not blue and amber though. I mean our shirts now from Umbro are, I suspect, team collections (off the peg, in their catalogue). The away one for sure. Meaning there will be other clubs out there wearing the same thing. That's what a number of clubs go for when you have club colours that are available from the bigger suppliers.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jul 13, 2022 10:37:35 GMT 1
In what way? I mean its just a case of waiting now isn't it and that's on Umbro. Nothing BC can do. I'd be insistent on any future supplier having kit to us by 30th June latest and inserting some kind of financial penalty should it not. In time for pre-season touring, games, open day, summer holidays. last season's away shirt proved to be a bit of a head turner in Italy. Would love just a mock up of next season's shirt to get the juices flowing. Or is it so diabolical that they are scared to show us?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 10:41:05 GMT 1
Maybe it's time to take account of wider world issues and get an up and coming British supplier? The price fans are asked to pay there should be enough margin to cover a higher manufactoring cost for a more agile and responsive to our needs supplier?
Patrick Grant is all for British manufacturers, we could have a bespoke kit? He supported the set up of an enterprise to manufacture in Britain - I bought a pair of jeans from them, unfortunatelty the top button came off and they had to replace them. But surely British manufacturers could make a pair of shorts and a top?
Time to do what the Japanesee did with our cars - copy them and make them better. There could be as much good free publicity in a British manufactured kit as there was in freestanding.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 13, 2022 10:58:43 GMT 1
I still dont see why we need to change the kit every year. Keep it a bit longer and you would half the number of times this becomes an issue, and give you twice as long to get it sorted.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 11:04:53 GMT 1
Regarding British manufacture, a bloke I used to work with set up www.performance-clothing.com/ to manufacture stuff like rally jackets for the various teams. Did manufacturing in Llandindod Wells, not sure if that still applies. Last seen with a stall at the Finnish rally! So British manufacture isn't just a pipedream.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 13, 2022 11:21:05 GMT 1
Maybe something for the next supporters meeting anyhow (if they are willing to host one with the situation with the kit, as no doubt it will come up). It would be good to get an idea on how this all works; how the contract is structured, if there are penalties in place, if not then why not, if these are negated because of certain issues etc. etc. etc. If the club would be willing to share that information of course.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 11:25:26 GMT 1
Maybe something for the next supporters meeting anyhow (if they are willing to host one with the situation with the kit, as no doubt it will come up). It would be good to get an idea on how this all works; how the contract is structured, if there are penalties in place, if not then why not, if these are negated because of certain issues etc. etc. etc. If the club would be willing to share that information of course. I think we are talking "undisclosed" again here.
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Post by Riversider on Jul 13, 2022 12:36:38 GMT 1
My lad has just been offered a place in the Development Centre, they have to have an Umbro training kit, we have been told up to 10 weeks!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 13, 2022 12:45:16 GMT 1
My lad has just been offered a place in the Development Centre, they have to have an Umbro training kit, we have been told up to 10 weeks! Congratulations. I hope everything else goes a lot more smoothly.
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 13, 2022 20:19:04 GMT 1
So the squad were provided with the new kit in time for last season’s pre-season game at Telford, yet this season they’ve been told it isn’t ready.
As such, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that the new kit won’t be stocked by the club shop until even later than last season’s kit was eventually stocked.
Last season’s away kit wasn’t available until October time, and the training wear wasn’t available until late November if memory serves me correctly.
Shocking.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 13, 2022 23:26:04 GMT 1
anyone remember the kit shambles of last season , we finally got the first glimpse away at telford telford away next tuesday 🙄 I see others are finally catching on
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 14, 2022 7:31:10 GMT 1
This reminds me of the reaction when KFC ran out of chicken "shocking" the word which describes the reaction, amongst others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 8:25:28 GMT 1
I guess we’re down on marketing and commercial staff that we probably haven’t replaced since laying off staff during covid? Did we ever have any? I'm aware of Andy Tretton is commercial manager but not sure what he does, that is not a dig at him, I genuinely don't know what his job involves. Beyond him, I don't think we have anyone else involved in the commercial side and certainly not marketing, well as far as I'm aware. My take has always been the commercial/marketing/PR side of things is run on a shoestring. I did see an interesting article recently about how people involved in running social media at football clubs are expected to do a lot more than just running a Facebook/Twitter page. I expect many clubs (including ourselves) hire media students who are then expected to do a hell of a lot and then suffer because they haven't got the knowledge/experience, particularly when it comes to marketing side of things.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 8:35:24 GMT 1
anyone remember the kit shambles of last season , we finally got the first glimpse away at telford telford away next tuesday 🙄 I see others are finally catching on Not to mention the previous year with the Admiral kit held up in Suez Canal gate……
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:23:47 GMT 1
I guess we’re down on marketing and commercial staff that we probably haven’t replaced since laying off staff during covid? Did we ever have any? Not sure. I've always thought that the commercial/marketing/PR side of things was done by the commercial manager, so BC.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 14, 2022 9:48:59 GMT 1
I see others are finally catching on Not to mention the previous year with the Admiral kit held up in Suez Canal gate…… when it eventually turns up in a random shade of blue ( which won't get questioned ) and orange that we pretend is amber everyone will be too busy drooling to moan about the likely price hike 😜
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 14, 2022 10:02:37 GMT 1
Not sure. I've always thought that the commercial/marketing/PR side of things was done by the commercial manager, so BC. Tretton is commercial manager isn't he? I always got the impression that he handled the more sponsorship/corporate side of things rather than things that involve customers. May be entirely wrong though. So would presume BC is mainly involved with this, unless there are more people there. Certainly got rid of some club shop staff but unsure who is involved with marketing. Media team would get involved with certain things - PR and some marketing but wouldn't know where it would start/stop. But also bare in mind they don't have a head of media at the moment do they? Thought Scott Demerling had left and haven't seen a replacement, and the other 2 members of the media team have only been there for a matter of months. Lots to ask from them with no manager and new to the role/club.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 14, 2022 10:11:19 GMT 1
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 14, 2022 10:12:45 GMT 1
Update above on the status of new kits in League 1
6 clubs yet to announce anything... and a eye opener to what price we might expect shirts at...
MK dons taking the p**s. Morecambe keeping it fair on fans.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 14, 2022 10:14:57 GMT 1
Will be down five teams with no kit announcements after Saturday as Oxford are playing in their new kit in their pre season game and launching it for pre order that day.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 11:01:21 GMT 1
Not sure. I've always thought that the commercial/marketing/PR side of things was done by the commercial manager, so BC. Tretton is commercial manager isn't he? I always got the impression that he handled the more sponsorship/corporate side of things rather than things that involve customers. May be entirely wrong though. So would presume BC is mainly involved with this, unless there are more people there. Certainly got rid of some club shop staff but unsure who is involved with marketing. Media team would get involved with certain things - PR and some marketing but wouldn't know where it would start/stop. But also bare in mind they don't have a head of media at the moment do they? Thought Scott Demerling had left and haven't seen a replacement, and the other 2 members of the media team have only been there for a matter of months. Lots to ask from them with no manager and new to the role/club. He might be but I thought Tretton was more involved in the sponsorship and corporate hospitality type thing.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 11:05:46 GMT 1
Will be down five teams with no kit announcements after Saturday as Oxford are playing in their new kit in their pre season game and launching it for pre order that day. Which I can't think is the normal run of things so something clearly up (and I suspect some won't have been changing kits anyhow). Wouldn't ask you to do it for the 4th division but wouldn't surprise me if one or two there are also having issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 12:00:51 GMT 1
What does puzzle me is the length of time that this is taking for us to have our new kit ready for the new season.
I might be wrong but have UMBRO not had at least 12-14 months to get this sorted?
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 12:04:56 GMT 1
Update above on the status of new kits in League 1 6 clubs yet to announce anything... and a eye opener to what price we might expect shirts at... MK dons taking the p**s. Morecambe keeping it fair on fans. You mentioned there were changes to the kit as late as April after the SP meeting. Does this means it wasn’t ordered in December as I thought we’d been told. April seems very late to finalise an order and expect it by June / early July!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 12:29:32 GMT 1
I guess we’re down on marketing and commercial staff that we probably haven’t replaced since laying off staff during covid? Did we ever have any? I'm aware of Andy Tretton is commercial manager but not sure what he does, that is not a dig at him, I genuinely don't know what his job involves. Beyond him, I don't think we have anyone else involved in the commercial side and certainly not marketing, well as far as I'm aware. My take has always been the commercial/marketing/PR side of things is run on a shoestring. I did see an interesting article recently about how people involved in running social media at football clubs are expected to do a lot more than just running a Facebook/Twitter page. I expect many clubs (including ourselves) hire media students who are then expected to do a hell of a lot and then suffer because they haven't got the knowledge/experience, particularly when it comes to marketing side of things. A long time ago - the Atcham Jack days, he used to occasionally treat himself (and the teddy bears ) to a "posh package" at MWM, I know, because I PM'ed AJ, Mr Tretton was always very good at organising it all for him - AJ inspired me to enquire and Andy was very efficient and very "on the ball". Seemed to be doing a great job, maybe only constrained by the club's general attitude to commercialism? Let's put it this way, I would seek out his ideas for how the club could exploit more opportunities and make more money....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 15:07:03 GMT 1
Why am I not surprised it’s Milton Keynes who’re charging that much for a shirt, vile club. Also announcing new signings as ‘players name’ is a Don! 🤮
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:37:07 GMT 1
Any player announced as ‘players name’ is a Don! should automatically be registered to the only true Dons by the EFL.
Milton Keynes have city status now, time to change the name and reflect that, then hope that, in time, people forget what they did.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:46:15 GMT 1
Any player announced as ‘players name’ is a Don! should automatically be registered to the only true Dons by the EFL. Milton Keynes have city status now, time to change the name and reflect that, then hope that, in time, people forget what they did. MK City Football Club, no issues with that. They should've started 6 leagues lower though.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 14, 2022 17:04:46 GMT 1
Any player announced as ‘players name’ is a Don! should automatically be registered to the only true Dons by the EFL. Milton Keynes have city status now, time to change the name and reflect that, then hope that, in time, people forget what they did. MK City Football Club, no issues with that. They should've started 6 leagues lower though. Should never have included " dons" included in the name. Should NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS have just joined in the FL at the level they did. There is a whole generation of fans who because of this hate their club with a passion, and will take many many years to get over that.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 17:10:08 GMT 1
MK City Football Club, no issues with that. They should've started 6 leagues lower though. Should never have included " dons" included in the name. I gather they did so originally as a nod to the clubs roots and past so perhaps understandable at first. Maybe. Just. But once Wimbledon got going again they should have done the decent thing and dropped it. I would hope that most fans (like me) see AFC Wimbledon as the continuation of the original Wimbledon FC.
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