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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 9:56:39 GMT 1
I'm not his biggest fan but I'm certainly not in the 'he must go' camp and I didn't like hearing some of the stuff being sung last night, he doesn't deserve that. But equally I disagree with people/pundits who shout down any criticism of him because of what happened last summer and in 2018. Do people really expect us not to complain when we've just lost 4-0 at home to Hungary? I think he has earned the right to lead us at the World Cup based on the last two major competitions, absolutely. But I have my doubts. All very good getting to a semi-final and a final but I do wonder whether better led, we could have seen (at least) the one out. For me that Italy game is a reminder that all said and done, as a manager Southgate has won (checks notes) the Toulon Tournament with the England under 21s back in 2016. And for sure they are going to get a roasting from the fans for a performance and result like that. Perhaps more so in the shires when you have fans who may have been waiting for the chance to see an England side play only to be served up with that. We of course have no devine right to win anything, history has shown that as we've only ever won one tournament. Personally my main frustration at losing to Italy last summer wasn't because I felt we must win, but because I felt we sat back aftet the early goal and Italy were there for the taking if we had showed any sort of attacking intent. There's very much two school's of thoughts on him: 1) He has transformed the culture of England, made us hard to beat, got us to a semi final of a world cup and only lost on penalties in the Euro Final, making him one of our most succesful managers 2) He has a wealth of attacking disposal but is too cautious/defensive minded. He has a very good record in qualifers and against 'average' teams but as soon as we come up against a decent side then we lose. I'm more in the second camp, I'd give him the world cup and look at other options in the meantime.
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Jun 15, 2022 10:07:40 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 15, 2022 10:07:40 GMT 1
I think he has earned the right to lead us at the World Cup based on the last two major competitions, absolutely. But I have my doubts. All very good getting to a semi-final and a final but I do wonder whether better led, we could have seen (at least) the one out. For me that Italy game is a reminder that all said and done, as a manager Southgate has won (checks notes) the Toulon Tournament with the England under 21s back in 2016. And for sure they are going to get a roasting from the fans for a performance and result like that. Perhaps more so in the shires when you have fans who may have been waiting for the chance to see an England side play only to be served up with that. We of course have no devine right to win anything Sure. That goes without saying. But when you are there and in a position to do so then of course you question why we were unable to do so. For the second half against Italy we were just sat there waiting for them to score. And low and behold, that is exactly what they did. And because of that I find myself in the second camp too.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 15, 2022 11:01:15 GMT 1
Harry Kane's dive seemed to sum things up nicely when it came to England's performance, laughable. She fell over....AGAIN.... he really is embarrassing at times with his drunk routine, a yellow card or two wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 15, 2022 11:03:01 GMT 1
I think that was the worst performance I have seen from England for many a year. Had a hunch we could be in trouble when I saw the team with lots of inexperienced players being given a chance against an in form and rapidly improving Hungary team. Having said that it is difficult for managers to legislate against really poor individual performances from the likes of generally reliable players such as Stones and Phillips though they have both had injury problems recently. I am still firmly in the pro-Southgate camp but if he does go if we do not do well in Qatar then the job should go to an up and coming English manager such as Graham Potter. An interesting alternative would be the Welshman Steve Cooper who won the U17 World Cup with England.
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Jun 15, 2022 11:14:40 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 15, 2022 11:14:40 GMT 1
I think that was the worst performance I have seen from England for many a year. Had a hunch we could be in trouble when I saw the team with lots of inexperienced players being given a chance against an in form and rapidly improving Hungary team. Having said that it is difficult for managers to legislate against really poor individual performances from the likes of generally reliable players such as Stones and Phillips though they have both had injury problems recently. I am still firmly in the pro-Southgate camp but if he does go if we do not do well in Qatar then the job should go to an up and coming English manager such as Graham Potter. An interesting alternative would be the Welshman Steve Cooper who won the U17 World Cup with England. That explains where Chirkshrew got Graham Cooper from then...
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Jun 15, 2022 11:28:15 GMT 1
Post by wakemanender on Jun 15, 2022 11:28:15 GMT 1
There is little doubt Southgate will still be in charge for the World Cup. He fits in with boring FA establishment and is very unlikely to rock the boat in anyway. A poor performance in the World Cup however will bring a call for change. It is a pity that there is nobody in the present England set up who could step up so a completely new face would be needed. Southgate has done a good job and the country has got behind him so it would be good to see another English manager appointed when the time comes. Perhaps joint managers would work. Steve Evans and Graham Wesley would shake things up.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 15, 2022 11:47:37 GMT 1
Southgate is trying to play possession football, as favoured by some of the great South American nations and Barcelona in their prime. Unfortunately some of our players are unable to pass accurately over 10 or 20 yards. Again last night a simple pass to a colleague often went wide of the recipient or even behind him. The next problem came on the odd occasions that the pass found it’s target but that player’s first touch let him down. In all seriousness, any decent Sunday League players should be expected to do that on a regular basis. Possibly this explains why our top sides are filled with “foreign’ players. Next question must be, would good all fashioned English football serve us better than the patient, tippy tappy stuff favoured by Southgate?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 15, 2022 11:56:33 GMT 1
Perhaps joint managers would work. Steve Evans and Graham Wesley would shake things up. 😂😂😂
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Jun 15, 2022 12:27:22 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 15, 2022 12:27:22 GMT 1
I see Wolves are not taking legal action over the Marquinhos transfer saga. They could now concentrate on legal action for England not turning up
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Post by Pilch on Jun 15, 2022 15:53:40 GMT 1
Southgate is trying to play possession football, as favoured by some of the great South American nations and Barcelona in their prime. Unfortunately some of our players are unable to pass accurately over 10 or 20 yards. Again last night a simple pass to a colleague often went wide of the recipient or even behind him. The next problem came on the odd occasions that the pass found it’s target but that player’s first touch let him down. In all seriousness, any decent Sunday League players should be expected to do that on a regular basis. Possibly this explains why our top sides are filled with “foreign’ players. Next question must be, would good all fashioned English football serve us better than the patient, tippy tappy stuff favoured by Southgate? which Barcelona game specifically, I'd like to see how much higher than 89% accuracy their passes were I put yesterdays bad result down to complacency, we turned up and expected winning to be a formality, didn't take the chances when they came, didn't create enough chances, whereas Hungary lived up to their name and caught us out wake up call and not a disaster
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Post by Pilch on Jun 15, 2022 15:58:19 GMT 1
After the last couple of tournaments we're experimenting in what is essentially the Papa John's Trophy and he suddenly doesn't know what he's doing? As Horse says, full house on Tuesday, wonder if a full stadium will add a bit more bite to the occasion?
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Jun 15, 2022 16:02:29 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 15, 2022 16:02:29 GMT 1
As Horse says, full house on Tuesday, wonder if a full stadium will add a bit more bite to the occasion? That's a NO then! Ok, let's try another angle: Wonder if the England cricket team are any good at football? (Can't be any worse! What they do have is spirit - the will to win)
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Jun 15, 2022 16:32:36 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 15, 2022 16:32:36 GMT 1
Come the world cup I'd like us to unleash our attacking potential:
Ramsdale Trent - Stones - Tomori - Chilwell Foden - Rice - Mount Saka - Kane - Grealish
I don't rate Pickford or Maguire.
It's hard to leave out Sterling, Walker & Bellingham but they're amazing options to have along with Abraham, James, Phillips & Bowen plus the experienced Henderson.
There's also Shaw & Sancho to come back into the fold.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 15, 2022 17:40:22 GMT 1
Would almost certainly feel differently had I attended any of these recent games but find it hard to get worked up about Nations League games in mid June, with a completely random squad.
As an international manager I’m judging Southgate on firstly can he get us up the two major international tournaments, and then on how we do in them. Fail to qualify and you’re gone regardless, how we do is a bit more subjective but it’s madness to want him gone before Qatar.
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Jun 15, 2022 17:43:18 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 15, 2022 17:43:18 GMT 1
Come the world cup I'd like us to unleash our attacking potential: Ramsdale Trent - Stones - Tomori - Chilwell Foden - Rice - Mount Saka - Kane - Grealish I don't rate Pickford or Maguire. It's hard to leave out Sterling, Walker & Bellingham but they're amazing options to have along with Abraham, James, Phillips & Bowen plus the experienced Henderson. There's also Shaw & Sancho to come back into the fold. After the last four games I think I’d be glad to see a return to the 3-5-2, at least the players know it. Due to the Euros being put back a year and the relatively short gap between major tournaments I think the time to evolve our playing style is after the World Cup, either with or without Southgate.
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Jun 16, 2022 10:16:53 GMT 1
Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 16, 2022 10:16:53 GMT 1
Come the world cup I'd like us to unleash our attacking potential: Ramsdale Trent - Stones - Tomori - Chilwell Foden - Rice - Mount Saka - Kane - Grealish I don't rate Pickford or Maguire. It's hard to leave out Sterling, Walker & Bellingham but they're amazing options to have along with Abraham, James, Phillips & Bowen plus the experienced Henderson. There's also Shaw & Sancho to come back into the fold. That team would get absolutely torn apart on the break in the group stages, let alone in the knockouts if we got there with that squad. I think your dislike of Sunderland has biased you against Pickford, who's clearly a better keeper than Ramsdale. As Feedo says, while it's not the formation I think most of us would want to see in an ideal world, I'd be tempted to stick with the 3-5-2 with Walker as one of the CBs. The security of the 3 CBs might also allow us to get at least one of the attacking wing backs in.
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Jun 21, 2022 12:06:41 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 21, 2022 12:06:41 GMT 1
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Jun 21, 2022 14:15:47 GMT 1
Post by block12massive on Jun 21, 2022 14:15:47 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61878364A vote of confidence for Southgate from a typically out-of-touch and patronising FA bureaucrat The FA chairwoman commends Southgate on his 'high IQ' and claims going to Qatar will apparently give the 'migrant workers a voice'. Even the dead ones, Debbie? Classic use of the buzz phrase "educating ourselves" as well. Loathsome organisation destined to fail with that puppet in charge.
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Jun 21, 2022 17:12:39 GMT 1
Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 21, 2022 17:12:39 GMT 1
I'm firmly in the "Keep Southgate for life" camp now that I know how much he's rattled poor owd Block12.
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