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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jun 13, 2022 12:40:20 GMT 1
[/quote] In fairness, if someone said Shrewsbury was a dump you wouldnt put up pictures of ditherington, the grange and gains park as your counter argument ๐[/quote]
Oi.behave๐ช๐..only poor bit on GP is that bit in the middle that was meant to look like the lanes and alleys of a Cornish fishing village.Small 1&2 bed houses and apartments were built to appeal to first time buyers working at RSH. Epic fail and reallyneeds to be demolished PS Don't forget Joe Hart was brought up on GP,went to Oxon Primary etc and parents still live there
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 13, 2022 12:49:53 GMT 1
A politician tells the truth. Well I never. I see rent-a-gob MP Jess Phillips took to social media to post photos of leafy suburbs of Birmingham as sarcastic examples of 'godawful' Birmingham. Interesting I've not seen any photos of Washwood Heath or Sparkbrook yet. In fairness, if someone said Shrewsbury was a dump you wouldnt put up pictures of ditherington, the grange and gains park as your counter argument ๐ All three areas are luxury living compared to Luton, Bradford, Tower Hamlets, most parts of Birmingham etc ...
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Post by venceremos on Jun 13, 2022 13:00:36 GMT 1
In fairness, if someone said Shrewsbury was a dump you wouldnt put up pictures of ditherington, the grange and gains park as your counter argument ๐ All three areas are luxury living compared to Luton, Bradford, Tower Hamlets, most parts of Birmingham etc ... All far bigger places than Shrewsbury though, so not comparing like with like.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 13:49:26 GMT 1
In fairness, if someone said Shrewsbury was a dump you wouldnt put up pictures of ditherington, the grange and gains park as your counter argument ๐ All three areas are luxury living compared to Luton, Bradford, Tower Hamlets, most parts of Birmingham etc ... Well Iโm sure youโre right but thatโs hardly the point is it?!
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Post by block12massive on Jun 13, 2022 14:42:33 GMT 1
Or perhaps, like the Lutons and Bradfords of this world, the most undesirable areas tend to be Labour run councils. Spooky coincidence hey. Let's unpick your 'logic' here, shall we? Shropshire's a generally pleasant place to live. Is that because it has a Tory council? It's nothing to do with it being a largely rural area with many affluent residents, it's all down to the fact that they elected a Tory council. Luton and Bradford and other "undesirable" areas, as you call them, tend to be run by Labour councils, but so too are most urban areas. Which of our major cities is Tory run? Why do urban areas contain greater concentrations of poverty? Because there are more people living there. Because more people gravitate to them for housing and work opportunities. Why do voters in those areas tend to vote Labour? I'd say it's because they believe a Labour administration is more likely to look after their interests and support them. And that's before we begin to consider the years of Tory central government cuts to funding for local authorities and the bias towards Tory constituencies in the provision of funding. Your sneering only exposes your own prejudices. You should be a Tory councillor, then you could joke about "levelling up" too. Your take on the state of UK politics is rooted in about 1996. Given that 82% of people in the UK live in urban areas, we'd be in for a sizeable Labour majority government formed after every election if your sweeping generalisation of UK politics was even remotely accurate. Most towns and cities have entered a period of gentrification over the last 10-15 years. Probably no more so than parts of East London, Hackney etc which are traditionally Labour areas. Telford is a place that having not visited for several years until recently, feels like it has gone through a healthy transformation. These are all Labour majority councils. Who do you credit with their success? They seem to be doing remarkably well 'in spite' of government funding if that's your opinion. There's a reason why many of the so-called 'red wall' constituencies turned blue and that was as a rejection of decades of neglect under successive Labour governments. I suppose we'll see in 2/3 years how well this turned out but I'm sure the character assassination, mostly self-inflicted, of the PM will go someway to shaping the next political landscape. Not all Conservative areas are desirable places to live, far from it. But a general rule of thumb, every absolute hellhole is a Labour safe seat.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jun 13, 2022 14:54:57 GMT 1
Leicester is worth adding to the list of total grot. The city centre is awful . plenty of locals boozing on the benches at 8 00am.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jun 13, 2022 15:01:31 GMT 1
Let's unpick your 'logic' here, shall we? Shropshire's a generally pleasant place to live. Is that because it has a Tory council? It's nothing to do with it being a largely rural area with many affluent residents, it's all down to the fact that they elected a Tory council. Luton and Bradford and other "undesirable" areas, as you call them, tend to be run by Labour councils, but so too are most urban areas. Which of our major cities is Tory run? Why do urban areas contain greater concentrations of poverty? Because there are more people living there. Because more people gravitate to them for housing and work opportunities. Why do voters in those areas tend to vote Labour? I'd say it's because they believe a Labour administration is more likely to look after their interests and support them. And that's before we begin to consider the years of Tory central government cuts to funding for local authorities and the bias towards Tory constituencies in the provision of funding. Your sneering only exposes your own prejudices. You should be a Tory councillor, then you could joke about "levelling up" too. Your take on the state of UK politics is rooted in about 1996. Given that 82% of people in the UK live in urban areas, we'd be in for a sizeable Labour majority government formed after every election if your sweeping generalisation of UK politics was even remotely accurate. Most towns and cities have entered a period of gentrification over the last 10-15 years. Probably no more so than parts of East London, Hackney etc which are traditionally Labour areas. Telford is a place that having not visited for several years until recently, feels like it has gone through a healthy transformation. These are all Labour majority councils. Who do you credit with their success? They seem to be doing remarkably well 'in spite' of government funding if that's your opinion. There's a reason why many of the so-called 'red wall' constituencies turned blue and that was because of BREXIT AND IGNORING 9 YEARS OF TORY STAGNATION. I suppose we'll see in 2/3 years how well this turned out but I'm sure the character assassination, mostly self-inflicted, of the PM will go someway to shaping the next political landscape. Not all Conservative areas are desirable places to live, far from it. But a general rule of thumb, every absolute hellhole is a Labour safe seat. Corrected for you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 15:20:21 GMT 1
In fairness, if someone said Shrewsbury was a dump you wouldnt put up pictures of ditherington, the grange and gains park as your counter argument ๐[/quote] Oi.behave๐ช๐..only poor bit on GP is that bit in the middle that was meant to look like the lanes and alleys of a Cornish fishing village.Small 1&2 bed houses and apartments were built to appeal to first time buyers working at RSH. Epic fail and reallyneeds to be demolished PS Don't forget Joe Hart was brought up on GP,went to Oxon Primary etc and parents still live there[/quote] My apologies ๐๐
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Post by venceremos on Jun 13, 2022 19:02:24 GMT 1
Let's unpick your 'logic' here, shall we? Shropshire's a generally pleasant place to live. Is that because it has a Tory council? It's nothing to do with it being a largely rural area with many affluent residents, it's all down to the fact that they elected a Tory council. Luton and Bradford and other "undesirable" areas, as you call them, tend to be run by Labour councils, but so too are most urban areas. Which of our major cities is Tory run? Why do urban areas contain greater concentrations of poverty? Because there are more people living there. Because more people gravitate to them for housing and work opportunities. Why do voters in those areas tend to vote Labour? I'd say it's because they believe a Labour administration is more likely to look after their interests and support them. And that's before we begin to consider the years of Tory central government cuts to funding for local authorities and the bias towards Tory constituencies in the provision of funding. Your sneering only exposes your own prejudices. You should be a Tory councillor, then you could joke about "levelling up" too. Your take on the state of UK politics is rooted in about 1996. Given that 82% of people in the UK live in urban areas, we'd be in for a sizeable Labour majority government formed after every election if your sweeping generalisation of UK politics was even remotely accurate. Most towns and cities have entered a period of gentrification over the last 10-15 years. Probably no more so than parts of East London, Hackney etc which are traditionally Labour areas. Telford is a place that having not visited for several years until recently, feels like it has gone through a healthy transformation. These are all Labour majority councils. Who do you credit with their success? They seem to be doing remarkably well 'in spite' of government funding if that's your opinion. There's a reason why many of the so-called 'red wall' constituencies turned blue and that was as a rejection of decades of neglect under successive Labour governments. I suppose we'll see in 2/3 years how well this turned out but I'm sure the character assassination, mostly self-inflicted, of the PM will go someway to shaping the next political landscape. Not all Conservative areas are desirable places to live, far from it. But a general rule of thumb, every absolute hellhole is a Labour safe seat. Except I didn't have a take on 'the state of UK politics', I was questioning your lazy cause-and-effect assertion that there's a connection between areas being 'undesirable' and their having Labour councils. I'm fully aware that the profile of a constituency doesn't always determine its politics - hence North Shropshire is now Liberal Democrat and Wakefield has had a brief, shortly to end dalliance with being Tory. There are many and various reasons why certain areas prosper more than others. I was making the point that one of the main reasons post-industrial urban areas are neglected is because local authorities don't have the funding to provide the services required or to attract the inward investment they need. Those constituencies that turned Tory in 2019 appeared to do so because of a continuing brexit backlash and a dislike of Corbyn's Labour party. You say it was because they were neglected for decades under successive Labour governments. Reminder: We've had Labour governments for roughly one out of the past four decades, so your reasoning is obviously false. I know some blamed their local Labour council for the neglect but then that comes back to the cuts in central government funding doesn't it? As for your rule of thumb, ask yourself why all the 'absolute hellholes' (your words) are safe Labour seats if Labour councils are responsible for them being so dreadful? Do you think that people there are just stupid?
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 13, 2022 20:38:14 GMT 1
Without apportioning blame to the elected bodies (of whatever political persuasion) I wonder whether the residents of those areas may have something to do with it all.....
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