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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 20:09:09 GMT 1
Shocking lack of transparency this is either utter incompetence or a cover up.when crabs that died have 74 times the level of a pollutant called pyridine compare to crabs in Cornwall and still the goverment “ruled out chemical pollution as a likely cause" www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-dead-shellfish-littering-our-beaches-tell-you-a-lot-about-safety-and-secrecy-in-britain/ar-AAY7GIS?bk=1&ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a5337e97787649c1a63aafb7fda6b380The Guardian The dead shellfish littering our beaches tell you a lot about safety and secrecy in Britain George Monbiot "With every passing week, it looks more like a cover-up. The repeated mass strandings of crabs and lobsters on the coast of north-east England, and the ever less plausible explanations provided by the government, are the outward signs of an undersea disaster and a grim new politics."Last month, there was another mass stranding of crabs and lobsters on the same beaches. Divers reported that the seabed immediately south of the River Tees was a “dead zone”: even the seaweed was dying." A coalition of local commercial fishers and anglers raised the money for an independent investigation by the marine pollution consultant Tim Deere-Jones. He made a series of freedom of information requests, which revealed that the government’s only evidence for an algal bloom consisted of satellite images , The freedom of information requests revealed something else: that the levels of a in the north-eastern crabs the government tested were up to 74 times higher than those found in crabs caught in Cornwall. Pyridine is highly toxic to aquatic life. Despite this finding, the government press release claimed it has “ruled out chemical pollution as a likely cause" "Several of the industries once located on the Tees estuary are likely to have produced it. Deere-Jones found that there were very high levels of pyridine derivatives in sediments in the estuary. A dredger started work in the mouth of the Tees at the end of September, deepening the channel. Deere-Jones’s hypothesis is that the dredger inadvertently exposed contaminated mud. This was then dumped at the legal disposal sites farther offshore. The currents flowing southwards, he believes, spread these sediments down the coast. As pyridine attaches itself to particles that fall to the seabed, and accumulates up the food chain, it is likely disproportionately to affect bottom-living scavengers such as lobsters and crabs."
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2022 21:14:20 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 22:14:11 GMT 1
That can’t be right? £43k expenses over 3 years?? Kawczynski claimed more than that in his first three years??
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2022 22:26:17 GMT 1
That can’t be right? £43k expenses over 3 years?? Kawczynski claimed more than that in his first three years?? DK would score 2 points on mastermind if his specialist subject was Shrewsbury , biggest farce we've had since Derek Conman
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 7, 2022 10:19:00 GMT 1
That can’t be right? £43k expenses over 3 years?? Kawczynski claimed more than that in his first three years?? Expenses? On a point of information, I confess that in my years as an SABC Councillor, I claimed total expenses of £5/£6 for a single taxi-fare......lol
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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2022 11:00:35 GMT 1
That can’t be right? £43k expenses over 3 years?? Kawczynski claimed more than that in his first three years?? Expenses? On a point of information, I confess that in my years as an SABC Councillor, I claimed total expenses of £5/£6 for a single taxi-fare......lol couldn't you have walked ? 🤪
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2022 11:04:58 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2022 11:12:11 GMT 1
Ah, Derek Conway. Memories, memories. In January 2008, Conway announced that he would stand down at the next general election after a Commons standards committee found that he had employed his son Freddie, a full-time student at Newcastle University, as a political researcher using public funds, despite there being no record of his son doing any work at Westminster. The Parliamentary commissioner for standards received complaints about similar payments to his elder son Henry while he was also a student and doing the "job" which Freddie over. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Conway
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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2022 11:14:20 GMT 1
why highlight just my post ?
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 7, 2022 11:15:52 GMT 1
Whilst expenses are now watched closely, favours are less so. That goes both for MPs and councillors.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 7, 2022 11:24:56 GMT 1
Expenses? On a point of information, I confess that in my years as an SABC Councillor, I claimed total expenses of £5/£6 for a single taxi-fare......lol couldn't you have walked ? 🤪 🤣🤣 Station to Oakley Manor in 5 minutes..? No!🤣
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Post by venceremos on Jun 7, 2022 14:03:12 GMT 1
Back on topic, that's a disturbing story about the mass deaths. The government's lack of transparency and apparently implausible claims as to the source of the deaths only increases suspicion of a cover up.
Independent analysis shows high levels of a residual toxin from heavy industrial waste being released by dredging. Why would that be covered up? Because much more and deeper sea bed dredging is required for the construction of the channel for the Teesside freeport, a "brexit dividend" flagship (even though freeports exist within the EU).
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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2022 14:46:39 GMT 1
Back on topic, that's a disturbing story about the mass deaths. The government's lack of transparency and apparently implausible claims as to the source of the deaths only increases suspicion of a cover up. Independent analysis shows high levels of a residual toxin from heavy industrial waste being released by dredging. Why would that be covered up? Because much more and deeper sea bed dredging is required for the construction of the channel for the Teesside freeport, a "brexit dividend" flagship (even though freeports exist within the EU). they need to evolve instead of going sideways
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Post by venceremos on Jun 7, 2022 14:59:40 GMT 1
Back on topic, that's a disturbing story about the mass deaths. The government's lack of transparency and apparently implausible claims as to the source of the deaths only increases suspicion of a cover up. Independent analysis shows high levels of a residual toxin from heavy industrial waste being released by dredging. Why would that be covered up? Because much more and deeper sea bed dredging is required for the construction of the channel for the Teesside freeport, a "brexit dividend" flagship (even though freeports exist within the EU). they need to evolve instead of going sideways The government? For once I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2022 15:26:02 GMT 1
they need to evolve instead of going sideways The government? For once I couldn't agree more. yes exactly ,apart from sorting Brexit, being first with the vaccine and lowest unemployment for 50 years. what has the current PM done for us ?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 7, 2022 15:54:01 GMT 1
The government? For once I couldn't agree more. yes exactly ,apart from sorting Brexit, being first with the vaccine and lowest unemployment for 50 years. what has the current PM done for us ? Careful, someone will be calling you "weirdly obsessive". No wait, you're on their side, you're safe.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 7, 2022 15:57:05 GMT 1
Back on topic, that's a disturbing story about the mass deaths. The government's lack of transparency and apparently implausible claims as to the source of the deaths only increases suspicion of a cover up. Independent analysis shows high levels of a residual toxin from heavy industrial waste being released by dredging. Why would that be covered up? Because much more and deeper sea bed dredging is required for the construction of the channel for the Teesside freeport, a "brexit dividend" flagship (even though freeports exist within the EU). thanks for that well that explains a lot, but it also highlights the incompetence and lack of planning before the dredging started .
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2022 18:27:58 GMT 1
The government? For once I couldn't agree more. yes exactly ,apart from sorting Brexit, being first with the vaccine and lowest unemployment for 50 years. what has the current PM done for us ? Johnson has NOT sorted Brexit. The Northern Ireland Protocol is a complete mess, both the farming and fishing industries are being fouled up with incessant form filling, the lorry queues outside Dover stretch for miles, and most trade deals negotiated so far are often rehashes of existing deals. I think that credit for the efficiency of the vaccine roll out should mainly go to Kate Bingham, head of the vaccines task force, rather than to Johnson. Boris had already appointed one complete dud, Dido Harding, as head of Test and Trace, but got lucky this time and is of course more than happy to take the plaudits. Both M.P. husbands of Bingham and Harding (Archie Norman and John Penrose) have called for Johnson to go. 'The lowest unemployment for 50 years'. Fine, but we do now have acute shortages of labour in practically every area of the economy. Some of this shortage is because of E.U. workers returning home, another reason is that young people are spending longer in education, but the biggest cause of the drop is older workers – those aged 50 and over, leaving the workforce altogether. Pilch, I've been on this Board for long enough. You plead political neutrality, but generally speaking your posts either defend the government or attack the opposition.
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Post by WATR on Jun 7, 2022 19:09:50 GMT 1
The death of one crab is a tragedy. The death of millions of crabs is a statistic.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2022 20:23:21 GMT 1
yes exactly ,apart from sorting Brexit, being first with the vaccine and lowest unemployment for 50 years. what has the current PM done for us ? Johnson has NOT sorted Brexit. The Northern Ireland Protocol is a complete mess, both the farming and fishing industries are being fouled up with incessant form filling, the lorry queues outside Dover stretch for miles, and most trade deals negotiated so far are often rehashes of existing deals. I think that credit for the efficiency of the vaccine roll out should mainly go to Kate Bingham, head of the vaccines task force, rather than to Johnson. Boris had already appointed one complete dud, Dido Harding, as head of Test and Trace, but got lucky this time and is of course more than happy to take the plaudits. Both M.P. husbands of Bingham and Harding (Archie Norman and John Penrose) have called for Johnson to go. 'The lowest unemployment for 50 years'. Fine, but we do now have acute shortages of labour in practically every area of the economy. Some of this shortage is because of E.U. workers returning home, another reason is that young people are spending longer in education, but the biggest cause of the drop is older workers – those aged 50 and over, leaving the workforce altogether. Pilch, I've been on this Board for long enough. You plead political neutrality, but generally speaking your posts either defend the government or attack the opposition. we've been here before with the form filling, imagine having to pop your name on the top of a piece of paper, include details of the contents and where its going, just like the rest of the world do including those in the EU and have been doing for years in case you haven't noticed in the 20ish years of B&A, I say things how I see them, but I like to question other members opinions, just for the sake of it most of the time, especially those who's opinions have a blind bias , oh in case you missed it, here's my take on Boris and this was jan 12th for the record I dont think Boris should resign, there should be some sort of intervention higher up and everyone involved in that gathering be removed from government with their seat up for vote like Patterson recently, & this rule should become standard for all MPs re brexit, the main reason I voted for brexit was that I was becoming increasingly aware of foreign immigrants, and cheap foreign labour, all resulting is worse and worse terms and conditions in the work place, and house prices going up due to more demand than supply I started Royal Mail just over 10 years ago on a 24 hour contract, I worked probably an average of 50 hours for years and had to fight and fight to get a better contract, me about 6 years, I managed to get 35 eventually, not long after I started 20 hours was the norm but in recent months we've been upgrading those who want a better contract exactly that, I noticed our latest new starters , some are straight on 32 hours. long may this continue, its not a quick fix and those hardest hit are those who were doing the biggest cheating with employees contracts
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2022 9:34:53 GMT 1
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2022 9:38:04 GMT 1
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’. confirmation bias at its best
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2022 9:56:08 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 8, 2022 10:03:00 GMT 1
The government? For once I couldn't agree more. yes exactly ,apart from sorting Brexit, being first with the vaccine and lowest unemployment for 50 years. what has the current PM done for us ? We’re awaiting his master stroke on the Irish Protocol to keep all sides happy 😃
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2022 10:34:02 GMT 1
that's 2018 find such a poll from 2015ish
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2022 10:58:03 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-did-uk-end-up-voting-leave-european-unionCameron promised before the 2010 election to bring migration down to the tens, not hundreds, of thousands. However, his failure to live up to his promise, repeated in 2015, has undermined trust in his leadership and contributed to a sense that UK politicians are powerless to lower migration from the EU. The leave camp tried to make the arguments for Brexit more about the economy and sovereignty than immigration, but quickly found that “taking back control” over immigration was the most resonant message. They also linked immigration to shortages of primary school places, difficulty in getting a GP appointment, and depressed wages. The evidence suggests that immigration still continues to be a problem, as Priti Patel would confirm.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2022 12:10:14 GMT 1
you've conveniently forgotten about covid and a war
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 12:15:04 GMT 1
I s**t my pants this morning, but at least I got the big decisions right and remembered to tie my laces.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2022 12:32:42 GMT 1
I s**t my pants this morning, but at least I got the big decisions right and remembered to tie my laces. around the bottom of your trousers hopefully
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2022 15:56:02 GMT 1
Several different surveys and opinion polls have asked Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. The two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’. can I ask how you voted and why ? ( this could be an eye opening jaw dropping shock to some )
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