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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 12:08:53 GMT 1
Sadly not a suprise to me i retired as a RMN 6 years ago and morale was low then, The RCN wrote a report highlighting the perfect storm of a significant % of nurses were going to be retiring over a ten year period and there was a huge need to improve working conditions and increase the numbers of traning for UK nurses. Jeremy Hunt MP Secretary of State for Health and Social Care was In office 4 September 2012 – 9 July 2018 and he ingnored the report, he also ignored a report warning hte NHS would not be able to cope with a pandemic .hence why im not a fan of Jeremy Hunt . www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/nurse-shortages-likely-to-worsen-due-to-perfect-storm-21-10-2016/"In England half of the nursing workforce was now aged 45 or over – compared with around a third 10 years ago – and were now within a decade of being able to take early retirement, which is also similar to other UK countries, according to the RCN report, called Unheeded warnings: health care in crisis." i would imagine any such survey into English , Welsh or Northern Ireland nurses would say the say hte same , equally i suspect it would be the same in any health profession in the NHS news.stv.tv/politics/scottish-nurses-demoralised-and-driven-out-of-work-by-poor-culture-new-report-warnsNurses are being “driven out of work” in Scotland by insufficient staffing levels and a “poor culture,” according to a new report. Healthcare professionals say they have “had enough” of inadequate and dangerously low staff numbers in hospitals across the country which pose a risk to patient care.In her keynote address to the RCN’s annual congress in Glasgow, which kicked off on Sunday, general secretary Pat Cullen will warn it is time to “break the cycle” after 25,000 nurses left the profession last year alone.“To those from Government listening to my words – we have had enough. “The patients and those we care for have had enough. “We are tired, fed up, demoralised, and some of us are leaving the profession because we have lost hope.”
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 6, 2022 12:15:48 GMT 1
Do you mean their morals are low, or their morale?
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Post by block12massive on Jun 6, 2022 12:31:40 GMT 1
I know it's the off-season but the amount of 'O/T' posts about the NHS/Scotland/politics is becoming slightly tiresome IMHO.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 12:48:31 GMT 1
I know it's the off-season but the amount of 'O/T' posts about the NHS/Scotland/politics is becoming slightly tiresome IMHO. you are entiled to your opinion as so am i , with respect you dont have to read them i also included links to issues into the whole of nursing i put this one on the forum as it has the latest data as a former nurse anything nhs related is close to my heart ,i hope you have a plesant day.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 12:49:00 GMT 1
Do you mean their morals are low, or their morale? my dyslexic brain falls flat on some words i had to go back and double check the meaning to make sure i had not stuffed up i then noticed i had spelt it both ways so i had stuffed it up . iv added to this and corrected to original post .
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Post by kenwood on Jun 6, 2022 15:07:02 GMT 1
I know it's the off-season but the amount of 'O/T' posts about the NHS/Scotland/politics is becoming slightly tiresome IMHO. you are entiled to your opinion as so am i , with respect you dont have to read them i also included links to issues into the whole of nursing i put this one on the forum as it has the latest data as a former nurse anything nhs related is close to my heart ,i hope you have a plesant day. I find threads/posts on Scotland, NHS and particularly politics most interesting . I would even go so far as to say “ educational “ . There is far more in this world other than football and even though it’s a football message board it’s good to have a break now and again . As far as nursing is concerned , well, in some way or another we will at certain times in our lives call on the professionalism of nurses to help us . It’s good, as far as I am concerned to know what’s going on particularly from the point of view of someone who has years of experience as a nurse . Crack on then Zen , I will never find your posts tiresome 👍, in fact keep up the good work . Matron is another on this board who I enjoy reading . Instead of reading total s**te from politicians on health and social care matters it’s best to get the real picture from those who have been , shall we say , at the sharp end . I wish you too a pleasant day 😉
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 15:11:09 GMT 1
you are entiled to your opinion as so am i , with respect you dont have to read them i also included links to issues into the whole of nursing i put this one on the forum as it has the latest data as a former nurse anything nhs related is close to my heart ,i hope you have a plesant day. I find threads/posts on Scotland, NHS and particularly politics most interesting . I would even go so far as to say “ educational “ . There is far more in this world other than football and even though it’s a football message board it’s good to have a break now and again . As far as nursing is concerned , well, in some way or another we will at certain times in our lives call on the professionalism of nurses to help us . It’s good, as far as I am concerned to know what’s going on particularly from the point of view of someone who has years of experience as a nurse . Crack on then Zen , I will never find your posts tiresome 👍, in fact keep up the good work . Matron is another on this board who I enjoy reading . Instead of reading total s**te from politicians on health and social care matters it’s best to get the real picture from those who have been , shall we say , at the sharp end . I wish you too a pleasant day 😉 Thanks
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 6, 2022 15:17:08 GMT 1
I know it's the off-season but the amount of 'O/T' posts about the NHS/Scotland/politics is becoming slightly tiresome IMHO. Each to their own but for me they are a constant reminder that once the Tories are finally ousted it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 17:09:47 GMT 1
I know it's the off-season but the amount of 'O/T' posts about the NHS/Scotland/politics is becoming slightly tiresome IMHO. Each to their own but for me they are a constant reminder that once the Tories are finally ousted it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any. "it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any." it wont be as across so many nhs professions they are worrying shortages and nhs hospitals are struggling to recrute replacements and the quick fix bring staff in from abroad in my view is not the long term answer, they need to improve working conditions , increase suport for staff and not use them as a disposable commodity,they need to train more uk staff and this wont be quick , they actually need to listen to staffs concerns and create a more caring working environment , improve pay for the lower grades and all the backroom staff , im sure there are many more things to be done but this is just off the top of my head .
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 6, 2022 17:33:12 GMT 1
Each to their own but for me they are a constant reminder that once the Tories are finally ousted it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any. "it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any." it wont be as across so many nhs professions they are worrying shortages and nhs hospitals are struggling to recrute replacements and the quick fix bring staff in from abroad in my view is not the long term answer, they need to improve working conditions , increase suport for staff and not use them as a disposable commodity,they need to train more uk staff and this wont be quick , they actually need to listen to staffs concerns and create a more caring working environment , improve pay for the lower grades and all the backroom staff , im sure there are many more things to be done but this is just off the top of my head . There's many things I'd do in relation to the NHS, I'd start with the below to get the ball rolling: - Cut the red tape to improve on waste, emmisions and drive productivity. - Put loyalty grant payments in place for students who serve the NHS for 10, 15, 20+ years etc to encourage staff retention. - Return power to the ward staff/practical nursing staff and cut middle management. - Retract the ridiculous made up roles such as "Energising for excellence delivery lead" and " diversity & equality delivery lead". These are commanding crazy salaries for essentially **** all. - Regular anonymous staff survey with probing questions to ensure poor practice and bad culture is rooted out fast. (May already happen in some format)
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 6, 2022 18:02:52 GMT 1
Each to their own but for me they are a constant reminder that once the Tories are finally ousted it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any. "it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any." it wont be as across so many nhs professions they are worrying shortages and nhs hospitals are struggling to recrute replacements and the quick fix bring staff in from abroad in my view is not the long term answer, they need to improve working conditions , increase suport for staff and not use them as a disposable commodity,they need to train more uk staff and this wont be quick , they actually need to listen to staffs concerns and create a more caring working environment , improve pay for the lower grades and all the backroom staff , im sure there are many more things to be done but this is just off the top of my head . Good points for sure but I was refering more to how the SNP go about governing Scotland (on the whole rather than the NHS specifically). I enjoy your contributions on whats happening north of the border anyhow...👍
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 18:08:05 GMT 1
"it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any." it wont be as across so many nhs professions they are worrying shortages and nhs hospitals are struggling to recrute replacements and the quick fix bring staff in from abroad in my view is not the long term answer, they need to improve working conditions , increase suport for staff and not use them as a disposable commodity,they need to train more uk staff and this wont be quick , they actually need to listen to staffs concerns and create a more caring working environment , improve pay for the lower grades and all the backroom staff , im sure there are many more things to be done but this is just off the top of my head . Good points for sure but I was refering more to how the SNP go about governing Scotland (on the whole rather than the NHS specifically). I enjoy your contributions on whats happening north of the border anyhow...👍 the big diferrence is everything the conservatives do gets big headlines , the scottish pres hardly chalenge the SNP even when they mess up big time ,it also helps that the opposition is weak. iv also made comments on the welsh goverment when they stuff up,
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 18:25:36 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61698194"More than half of Wales' nurses are demoralised due to a staffing crisis, according to a study.The data, from the Royal College of Nursing (RCN), shows that 78% of nurses felt patient care was being compromised due to under-staffing."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 19:33:20 GMT 1
There's many things I'd do in relation to the NHS, I'd start with the below to get the ball rolling: - Cut the red tape to improve on waste, emmisions and drive productivity. - Put loyalty grant payments in place for students who serve the NHS for 10, 15, 20+ years etc to encourage staff retention. - Return power to the ward staff/practical nursing staff and cut middle management. - Retract the ridiculous made up roles such as "Energising for excellence delivery lead" and " diversity & equality delivery lead". These are commanding crazy salaries for essentially **** all. - Regular anonymous staff survey with probing questions to ensure poor practice and bad culture is rooted out fast. (May already happen in some format) Good post! You’re right, there is already a national staff survey that is totally anonymous, covers a wide range of subjects inc job satisfaction and allows for free text contribution. Could you be a little more specific about the red tape you wish to cut? Think you’re spot on about the “leads” some of them seem truly nonsensical! Returning power to ward staff has been promised now in one form or another ever since someone started introducing the internal/external market into the NHS and we started trying to make nurses “productive” and produce “value for money” in something whose value you can’t measure unless it’s you sat in an ambulance outside A&E having a heart attack. If you want to cater for the peaks you need to be prepared to say ok to people stood around with empty beds during the troughs and unbelievably some people find this idea outrageous.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 19:39:32 GMT 1
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nhs-in-scotland-being-let-down-by-an-outbreak-of-incompetence-in-bute-house/ar-AAY7A7u?bk=1&ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b8ee8de772ae4fedb0deb2f5e60336bfNHS in Scotland being let down by an outbreak of incompetence in Bute House "When I challenged Nicola Sturgeon about this last week, I was met with a level of complacency which was almost delusional. It was the pandemic's fault she said, and the Scottish Government has a catch-up plan which will start bringing these lists down. No one doubts that the pandemic has led to a huge backlog of treatment. But what the First Minister knows - and would prefer you didn't - is that waiting lists have been going up on the SNP's watch long before Covid struck. Audit Scotland's annual report card for the NHS in 2019 makes it clear that the warning lights of our healthcare system have been flashing for some time. The number of people waiting for an inpatient appointment was up 37 per cent since 2014, and those waiting for outpatient appointments were up 22 per cent in the same period. The number of days lost to delayed discharge between 2016 and 2019 was up nine per cent. In September 2019, NHS Scotland admitted it was experiencing its highest-ever vacancy rate, with 4,000 nursing posts "unfilled.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 19:40:05 GMT 1
There's many things I'd do in relation to the NHS, I'd start with the below to get the ball rolling: - Cut the red tape to improve on waste, emmisions and drive productivity. - Put loyalty grant payments in place for students who serve the NHS for 10, 15, 20+ years etc to encourage staff retention. - Return power to the ward staff/practical nursing staff and cut middle management. - Retract the ridiculous made up roles such as "Energising for excellence delivery lead" and " diversity & equality delivery lead". These are commanding crazy salaries for essentially **** all. - Regular anonymous staff survey with probing questions to ensure poor practice and bad culture is rooted out fast. (May already happen in some format) Good post! You’re right, there is already a national staff survey that is totally anonymous, covers a wide range of subjects inc job satisfaction and allows for free text contribution. Could you be a little more specific about the red tape you wish to cut? Think you’re spot on about the “leads” some of them seem truly nonsensical! Returning power to ward staff has been promised now in one form or another ever since someone started introducing the internal/external market into the NHS and we started trying to make nurses “productive” and produce “value for money” in something whose value you can’t measure unless it’s you sat in an ambulance outside A&E having a heart attack. If you want to cater for the peaks you need to be prepared to say ok to people stood around with empty beds during the troughs and unbelievably some people find this idea outrageous.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2022 19:41:01 GMT 1
"it doesn't necessarily mean things are set to improve any." it wont be as across so many nhs professions they are worrying shortages and nhs hospitals are struggling to recrute replacements and the quick fix bring staff in from abroad in my view is not the long term answer, they need to improve working conditions , increase suport for staff and not use them as a disposable commodity,they need to train more uk staff and this wont be quick , they actually need to listen to staffs concerns and create a more caring working environment , improve pay for the lower grades and all the backroom staff , im sure there are many more things to be done but this is just off the top of my head . There's many things I'd do in relation to the NHS, I'd start with the below to get the ball rolling: - Cut the red tape to improve on waste, emmisions and drive productivity. - Put loyalty grant payments in place for students who serve the NHS for 10, 15, 20+ years etc to encourage staff retention. - Return power to the ward staff/practical nursing staff and cut middle management. - Retract the ridiculous made up roles such as "Energising for excellence delivery lead" and " diversity & equality delivery lead". These are commanding crazy salaries for essentially **** all. - Regular anonymous staff survey with probing questions to ensure poor practice and bad culture is rooted out fast. (May already happen in some format)
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Post by returnofthehype on Jun 7, 2022 0:55:41 GMT 1
As a staunch conservative supporter, my biggest complaint and course for concern is the shameful support/investment in our NHS.
We have something that is the envy of most nations, and something we should be rightly proud of….be a disgrace if we let that go due to poor decisions, under funding and let’s have it right, shameful treatment of the people that make it so great
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 9:51:39 GMT 1
Agree there is some good news in there. But a question. How do you increase productivity in the NHS. What does that look like?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 18:13:26 GMT 1
Bit of a sideways glance I know, but the current shambles in our airports and aviation industry shows that even the private sector grinds to a halt unless staffing is right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 10:55:42 GMT 1
Bit of a sideways glance I know, but the current shambles in our airports and aviation industry shows that even the private sector grinds to a halt unless staffing is right. Things certainly aren't perfect in the private sector. I've worked for my company for over 20 years and there's been a few different ownership of it, some were awful and the amount of waste was criminal. Back on the NHS, I've mentioned on a few threads that I've had a lot of experience of the NHS of the past 12 months due to my dads ill health. People often think of the hospital as the NHS but until you have to rely on it, you don't realise how big it is and all of the different elements. My dad sadly passed away last month and the 12 months have been a real eye opener as to how the NHS works and the pressures it is under, I certainly don't blame the NHS for his death but do feel the past 12 months have been made significantly worse for him and the family because of delays, admin mistakes, processes and miscommunication from different elements within the NHS. Whether that is the norm or been made worse by covid I don't know but I'd imagine that the experiences are not unique to us. One thing which I will never forget is after the hospital told us there was nothing they could do and he had days left, family & friends told us we needed to stand our ground/fight our corner to ensure he didn't come home until everything was in place, I naively assumed that it was a given but there was a lot of pressure put on my mum to bring him home, the simple reason being they needed the bed. I know that these people are under enormous pressure but the lack of empathy towards a women who had been told her husband had days to live is something I'll never forget. The reason family/friends had warned us was because this was something they had experienced themselves or knew people who had, so it clearly wasn't a one off. However to provide some balance, I should stress the care he received in hospital was never an issue and the care & respect the staff showed my dad and the family on his last night is something whch we will equally never forget. There are alot of good people in the NHS who are doing their best in very difficult circumstances and getting rid of a few diversity managers is not going to have much of an impact.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 9, 2022 11:46:41 GMT 1
Bit of a sideways glance I know, but the current shambles in our airports and aviation industry shows that even the private sector grinds to a halt unless staffing is right. Things certainly aren't perfect in the private sector. I've worked for my company for over 20 years and there's been a few different ownership of it, some were awful and the amount of waste was criminal. Back on the NHS, I've mentioned on a few threads that I've had a lot of experience of the NHS of the past 12 months due to my dads ill health. People often think of the hospital as the NHS but until you have to rely on it, you don't realise how big it is and all of the different elements. My dad sadly passed away last month and the 12 months have been a real eye opener as to how the NHS works and the pressures it is under, I certainly don't blame the NHS for his death but do feel the past 12 months have been made significantly worse for him and the family because of delays, admin mistakes, processes and miscommunication from different elements within the NHS. Whether that is the norm or been made worse by covid I don't know but I'd imagine that the experiences are not unique to us. One thing which I will never forget is after the hospital told us there was nothing they could do and he had days left, family & friends told us we needed to stand our ground/fight our corner to ensure he didn't come home until everything was in place, I naively assumed that it was a given but there was a lot of pressure put on my mum to bring him home, the simple reason being they needed the bed. I know that these people are under enormous pressure but the lack of empathy towards a women who had been told her husband had days to live is something I'll never forget. The reason family/friends had warned us was because this was something they had experienced themselves or knew people who had, so it clearly wasn't a one off. However to provide some balance, I should stress the care he received in hospital was never an issue and the care & respect the staff showed my dad and the family on his last night is something whch we will equally never forget. There are alot of good people in the NHS who are doing their best in very difficult circumstances and getting rid of a few diversity managers is not going to have much of an impact. im sorry for your loss but thank you for been able to say how things were for your your family the good and the not so good.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 9, 2022 11:57:41 GMT 1
my sister has recently retierd as Nurse in an amercian owened private hospital which owns a chain of hospitals , they face different pressuers everything is about maxamizing profits increasing margins and rapid turnovers, she worked in the day clinics for cardiac related issues , dental surgery and health screening, the treatment room chair did not get time to get cold and everything was at 100mph. the other issue as in the nhs was staffing to keep costs down the registered nurse was expected to oversea the work of 4 auxilarys to maximize clincal capacity so my sister would be jugling the oversight to ensure everything was done right when they had done the tasks within there capacity would do her bit plus keep 4 consultans happy in four clincal rooms and co ordinate to ensure rooms were kept to maximum ocupancy.the hospital keept qualified nurses to the bare minimum to maximize profits .
NHS nurses face multiple pressuers but the reasons for staff shortages are due to avilabilty of qualified nurses and not enough uk nurses been trained plus demoralized staff leaving and ageing nurses retiring
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