Vela

[ssshrew]

But as others have said, he did go off the boil a bit last season.

[South Stand Salopian]

Fleetwood probably saw his best game for us last season in that Boxing Day game.

[davycrockett]

Funny how everyone was pleased with the news he’d signed for us but now he’s useless 😂

edit…. Except a Pilch off course 

[ssshrew]

I was pleased that he was ok g to sign but if he wants to go then there’s not a lot I can do but accept it.

I think it was the continuity I liked the idea of.

[Pilch]

Jun 2, 2022 13:37:49 GMT 1 davycrockett said:

Funny how everyone was pleased with the news he’d signed for us but now he’s useless 😂

not all of us ;-)


contracts thread

Apr 18, 2022 18:03:59 GMT 1 Pilch said:

I'd be happy if they all went, don't really know what Bevan or Gregory are like, or even what they look like

May 3, 2022 14:47:20 GMT 1 Pilch said:

May 3, 2022 13:54:26 GMT 1 bellevuesalopian said:

So he’s signed according to Steve, great start to the summer business. Never in a million years did I expect him to stay after all the rumours in January. Fair play to the club

I didn't expect him to still be here either, but its not been a great season for him, 2 goals, 1 assist and an own goal, bans, yellow cards most games, I guess no one has been knocking down his door recently and we are his best bet

I just hope he starts off the season more committed than he has appeared to be most of this season, I'm sure he will too and good luck to him

[dazshrewblue]

Can't believe we're losing One of our better players to Fleetwood ffs.Shows where we are as a club,One step forward with the Shipley signing,as always two back.Same old Shrewsbury.Would love to be proved wrong an Cotterell pulls irons out of the fire but won't hold my breath.

[pughywasfree]

Jun 2, 2022 10:45:53 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Jun 2, 2022 7:34:00 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

I fail to understand why the club ae being blasted due to this. They said an agreement was agreed (which is still true by all accounts). The Shropshire star reported it was agreed and signed (who knows if this is them jumping the gun or its what they were told). Vela is the one who went back on his word.

The fact Bennett has only just signed his contract suggests to me that it was done this was by design, either its common practice or SC prefers it this way. I might be the case that we are not usually aware of a player signing until everything is confirmed whereas in this case we were told after it was agreed.

It's a mess and we did not need to know any of it until the signing was completed.

Put it this way, had they signed contracts on the day they were given them ( a whole month ago ). I would have taken that as a big positive.

in Elliots case I had the impression he wanted to come here badly, loved the place, loved the fans, and then sits out his contract whilst a new offer sits in front of him, and signs it on the last day possible before the club have to release him.

there may be a simple reason why this happened, but if I taken a quick signing to be a positive then a last minute on kind of puts doubt in my head

but don't worry,  we'll probably give David Davis a ring soon 

Could it be the case that the new contracts are at different wages to now so they have to wait until the end of the season? Bennett could be on less next season due to his age, he might have stipulated he wanted to begin his new contract when his old one ended which is fair. Same with Vela he could have been offered more with his new contract so the club might wanted to wait until the season officially finished before he began his new deal which again would be fair.

Lots of variable that not many of us are knowledgeable about so we will just have to put this down to one of those things. 

[pughywasfree]

Jun 2, 2022 16:05:20 GMT 1 dazshrewblue said:

Can't believe we're losing One of our better players to Fleetwood ffs.Shows where we are as a club,One step forward with the Shipley signing,as always two back.Same old Shrewsbury.Would love to be proved wrong an Cotterell pulls irons out of the fire but won't hold my breath.

Lets see his replacement before we panic shall we?

[venceremos]

Wow, what a lot of froth and speculation on here - it's worse than reading the Star!

Seems clear that Vela had verbally agreed terms but not signed and Chinese whispers saw that being misinterpreted as a done deal. It's mildly embarrassing but I don't see any reason for anyone to be slated for what's happened.

I've no issue with Vela. He agreed terms but got a better offer, whether that was financial or family/lifestyle - good luck to him. I've had two job offers myself in the past and you can only choose one. My son recently had a job offer he agreed verbally and then got another that suited him better before he signed the first contract. He's no snake! As I was told a long time ago "nobody cares as much about your career as you".

Look after yourself and your family. Who doesn't do that? We're all too ready to say a player's "stealing a wage" or should be binned off/sent back to his parent club/released, whatever. And that's before we consider how clubs have treated players over the years. It's hypocritical to then expect a player to put the club and its fans first.

So no hard feelings from me and good luck to him. I won't boo or cheer when he returns to the Meadow. I'm sorry he's gone because I think he's a very good player but, like almost every player at this level, he's eminently replaceable. Most League 1 squads are much of a muchness, it's how they combine as a team that gives some the edge over others, just as we had in 2017/18.

[Pilch]

Jun 2, 2022 20:06:57 GMT 1 venceremos said:

Wow, what a lot of froth and speculation on here - it's worse than reading the Star!

Seems clear that Vela had verbally agreed terms but not signed and Chinese whispers saw that being misinterpreted as a done deal. It's mildly embarrassing but I don't see any reason for anyone to be slated for what's happened.

I've no issue with Vela. He agreed terms but got a better offer, whether that was financial or family/lifestyle - good luck to him. I've had two job offers myself in the past and you can only choose one. My son recently had a job offer he agreed verbally and then got another that suited him better before he signed the first contract. He's no snake! As I was told a long time ago "nobody cares as much about your career as you".

Look after yourself and your family. Who doesn't do that? We're all too ready to say a player's "stealing a wage" or should be binned off/sent back to his parent club/released, whatever. And that's before we consider how clubs have treated players over the years. It's hypocritical to then expect a player to put the club and its fans first.

So no hard feelings from me and good luck to him. I won't boo or cheer when he returns to the Meadow. I'm sorry he's gone because I think he's a very good player but, like almost every player at this level, he's eminently replaceable. Most League 1 squads are much of a muchness, it's how they combine as a team that gives some the edge over others, just as we had in 2017/18.

chinese whispers ?

more like straight from the horses mouth

it's still there

www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2022/may/retained-list-2022/

[martinshrew]

Jun 2, 2022 23:24:37 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Jun 2, 2022 20:06:57 GMT 1 venceremos said:

Wow, what a lot of froth and speculation on here - it's worse than reading the Star!

Seems clear that Vela had verbally agreed terms but not signed and Chinese whispers saw that being misinterpreted as a done deal. It's mildly embarrassing but I don't see any reason for anyone to be slated for what's happened.

I've no issue with Vela. He agreed terms but got a better offer, whether that was financial or family/lifestyle - good luck to him. I've had two job offers myself in the past and you can only choose one. My son recently had a job offer he agreed verbally and then got another that suited him better before he signed the first contract. He's no snake! As I was told a long time ago "nobody cares as much about your career as you".

Look after yourself and your family. Who doesn't do that? We're all too ready to say a player's "stealing a wage" or should be binned off/sent back to his parent club/released, whatever. And that's before we consider how clubs have treated players over the years. It's hypocritical to then expect a player to put the club and its fans first.

So no hard feelings from me and good luck to him. I won't boo or cheer when he returns to the Meadow. I'm sorry he's gone because I think he's a very good player but, like almost every player at this level, he's eminently replaceable. Most League 1 squads are much of a muchness, it's how they combine as a team that gives some the edge over others, just as we had in 2017/18.

chinese whispers ?

more like straight from the horses mouth

it's still there

www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2022/may/retained-list-2022/

I can't see where it says he signed?

There's three stages ... an offer, an agreement and a signature on the dotted line; it appears we had two out of three sorted.

[Pilch]

come on , we know what it's intended to mean

[edgmond]

I was under the impression that a verbal agreement to a contract was legally binding.

This would suggest that if Vela is going, the previous club statement was misleading because he had not in fact agreed verbally to the terms offered or else Fleetwood have offered some form of fee or compensation.

He could be a useful member of the squad if he stays, but if he goes it would not have the impact of losing someone like Leahy.

[stfcfan87]

Jun 2, 2022 20:06:57 GMT 1 venceremos said:

Wow, what a lot of froth and speculation on here - it's worse than reading the Star!

Seems clear that Vela had verbally agreed terms but not signed and Chinese whispers saw that being misinterpreted as a done deal. It's mildly embarrassing but I don't see any reason for anyone to be slated for what's happened.

I've no issue with Vela. He agreed terms but got a better offer, whether that was financial or family/lifestyle - good luck to him. I've had two job offers myself in the past and you can only choose one. My son recently had a job offer he agreed verbally and then got another that suited him better before he signed the first contract. He's no snake! As I was told a long time ago "nobody cares as much about your career as you".

Look after yourself and your family. Who doesn't do that? We're all too ready to say a player's "stealing a wage" or should be binned off/sent back to his parent club/released, whatever. And that's before we consider how clubs have treated players over the years. It's hypocritical to then expect a player to put the club and its fans first.

So no hard feelings from me and good luck to him. I won't boo or cheer when he returns to the Meadow. I'm sorry he's gone because I think he's a very good player but, like almost every player at this level, he's eminently replaceable. Most League 1 squads are much of a muchness, it's how they combine as a team that gives some the edge over others, just as we had in 2017/18.

Quite. We have just released one of our longest serving player of the modern era and also our injured captain

[frankwellshrews]

Jun 3, 2022 0:09:45 GMT 1 edgmond said:

I was under the impression that a verbal agreement to a contract was legally binding.

This would suggest that if Vela is going, the previous club statement was misleading because he had not in fact agreed verbally to the terms offered or else Fleetwood have offered some form of fee or compensation.

He could be a useful member of the squad if he stays, but if he goes it would not have the impact of losing someone like Leahy.

Doubt it; how do you prove a verbal agreement even if that were the case? Unless the club records every interaction with its players (and I doubt any business could successfully operate that way) then it's a case of misinterpretation etc.

I've accepted counter offers a couple of times in recent years to stay put and always did it via a recruiter. Expect the same is true here, the "verbal assent" was likely his agent not Josh himself.

Ultimately not a lot the club can do here and agree with venceremos assessment that this is a job ultimately and the players are people with family obligations like anyone else. If it makes more sense for him personally he has to do it. He did go off the boil a bit towards the end of last season which does hint he may not have been 100% happy here anyway so might be for the best all round.

Think the wailing and gnashing of teeth over it bring Fleetwood is a bit misplaced. They are bankrolled by a wealthy sponsor and known to splash the cash as well as being north West based where the player himself is from. People are reading far too much into what was ultimately probably a better contract closer to home.

[Pilch]

we don't even know if he's had a better offer paywise ?

he may have taken a small cut to get away from us, or perhaps a match at least

as someone said the day we thought he'd signed " it shows intent from our club"

I wonder what it shows now ?

[frankwellshrews]

Jun 3, 2022 11:02:51 GMT 1 Pilch said:

we don't even know if he's had a better offer paywise ?

he may have taken a small cut to get away from us, or perhaps a match at least

as someone said the day we thought he'd signed " it shows intent from our club"

I wonder what it shows now ?

How likely is that though pilch? The more likely scenario is he's leveraged our offer to get a better offer elsewhere which is psr gor the course not just in football but everywhere else in life at the moment.

All it shows at this point is the club did have intent to retain one of its senior pros, looked to have a deal in place but it fell apart. Won't be the first time that's happened and won't be the last either

[Pilch]

Jun 3, 2022 11:13:54 GMT 1 frankwellshrews said:

Jun 3, 2022 11:02:51 GMT 1 Pilch said:

we don't even know if he's had a better offer paywise ?

he may have taken a small cut to get away from us, or perhaps a match at least

as someone said the day we thought he'd signed " it shows intent from our club"

I wonder what it shows now ?

How likely is that though pilch? The more likely scenario is he's leveraged our offer to get a better offer elsewhere which is psr gor the course not just in football but everywhere else in life at the moment.

All it shows at this point is the club did have intent to retain one of its senior pros, looked to have a deal in place but it fell apart. Won't be the first time that's happened and won't be the last either

normally I'd agree but it takes him back nearer his roots,   reminds be of Bobby Grant

[shrewdracer]

Have I missed something?? Has he actually left?

We have heard nothing from Vela, he may well have had discussions with Fleetwood or whoever but still sign our contract offer.... nobody actually knows until its official.

[frankwellshrews]

Jun 3, 2022 11:20:59 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Jun 3, 2022 11:13:54 GMT 1 frankwellshrews said:

How likely is that though pilch? The more likely scenario is he's leveraged our offer to get a better offer elsewhere which is psr gor the course not just in football but everywhere else in life at the moment.

All it shows at this point is the club did have intent to retain one of its senior pros, looked to have a deal in place but it fell apart. Won't be the first time that's happened and won't be the last either

normally I'd agree but it takes him back nearer his roots,   reminds be of Bobby Grant

The guy's 29. This could very well be his last league contract. I highly doubt he's going to accept a pay cut at this point unless it's for a club in a lower division.

[Lancsman]

It seems to me that the contract offer should have been put in front of him to sign ….. not sent in the ****ing post !!!!

[kenwood]

Who really gives a s**t if he stays or goes.
He’s not given us great performances has he. If he stays then he needs to up his game , if he goes which looks likely then fair enough, he is getting toward 30 and is looking to secure his future . Good for him , it’s a short career and he will be looking for a good deal , Fleetwood have offered him a good deal so off he trots.
I’m more p**sed off we couldn’t offer our longest serving player anything to be honest.

We have got the makings of a good squad I think and it’s up to SC to improve us even more . Let’s hope he gets some decent players in and works hard with the squad pre season .
I hope for a top half finish and maybe a play off place but who knows . We don’t want to be scratching around the bottom of the League , we’ve done that enough times .
But, this is Shrewsbury Town FC and you never know .

Man United are releasing a fair few , a more cultured Luke Waterfall type player would be nice - like Phil Jones 😂😂😂😂😂

[Exkeeper]

Jun 3, 2022 17:07:29 GMT 1 kenwood said:

Who really gives a s**t if he stays or goes.
He’s not given us great performances has he. If he stays then he needs to up his game , if he goes which looks likely then fair enough, he is getting toward 30 and is looking to secure his future . Good for him , it’s a short career and he will be looking for a good deal , Fleetwood have offered him a good deal so off he trots.
I’m more p**sed off we couldn’t offer our longest serving player anything to be honest.

We have got the makings of a good squad I think and it’s up to SC to improve us even more . Let’s hope he gets some decent players in and works hard with the squad pre season .
I hope for a top half finish and maybe a play off place but who knows . We don’t want to be scratching around the bottom of the League , we’ve done that enough times .
But, this is Shrewsbury Town FC and you never know .

Man United are releasing a fair few , a more cultured Luke Waterfall type player would be nice - like Phil Jones 😂😂😂😂😂

But not agricultural like Matt Redmile.

[FloreatShrew]

Has he gone or has he signed yet.

If he goes, then see ya. Not too bothered and against his former club this season worst performance ever.

If he stays. Good. Good footballer and has a skill and creativity we need to make use of.

Like the Depp/Heard trial this.

[Pilch]

Jun 3, 2022 11:26:29 GMT 1 frankwellshrews said:

Jun 3, 2022 11:20:59 GMT 1 Pilch said:

normally I'd agree but it takes him back nearer his roots,   reminds be of Bobby Grant

The guy's 29. This could very well be his last league contract. I highly doubt he's going to accept a pay cut at this point unless it's for a club in a lower division.

his contract was up, we don't have a clue if the new one was better, the same or worse,  whatever it was he preferred Fleetwood's 

[chirkshrew]

Wants to throw his lot in with Scott brown👍🙈🙈🙈

[jimmelrosesjaw]

Jun 3, 2022 20:13:04 GMT 1 chirkshrew said:

Wants to throw his lot in with Scott brown👍🙈🙈🙈

🤮

[secretshrew]

Have Fleetwood officially announced his signing yet? I wonder if we have counter-offered? It’s obvious that SC wants him otherwise we wouldn’t have offered anything at all, never mind at the end of the season.

[thesensationaljt]

I don't blame Vela. I blame our club for being totally naïve and being caught with their pants down again. Nuffing is sealed until the contract is signed. I wouldn't like Brian Caldwell to be in charge of buying a house for me. I can just imagine him saying, "but they promised to sell the house to you". 

I'd probably finish up homeless on the ****ing street. 


   

[cheggersdrinkspop]

Jun 4, 2022 0:40:39 GMT 1 jimmelrosesjaw said:

Jun 3, 2022 20:13:04 GMT 1 chirkshrew said:

Wants to throw his lot in with Scott brown👍🙈🙈🙈

🤮

One master of red cards to another!!