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Vela
Jun 1, 2022 16:47:13 GMT 1
Post by southshropblue on Jun 1, 2022 16:47:13 GMT 1
I don't like the phrase snake but if he verbally promised to sign and then renaged on that promise its hardly a crime just not very honourable As fro Benno he may have had other offers we don't know
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Post by wookeywombat on Jun 1, 2022 16:56:06 GMT 1
I don't like the phrase snake but if he verbally promised to sign and then renaged on that promise its hardly a crime just not very honourable As fro Benno he may have had other offers we don't know IF?? he had other offers, he still stood by his agreement to re-sign. A gentleman in my book.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 1, 2022 17:06:24 GMT 1
I'm guessing SC was told by Vela that Fleetwood had offered more, in which case we would have had the chance to match or better it. SC obviously doesnt rate Vela highly enough to pay the higher amount.
As others have said he isnt a superstar and has his limitations. He is one of our better players in a team struggling near the bottom of the division so its understandable supporters want to keep him. But to improve then we need to find better, just hope we can this summer.....
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 1, 2022 17:16:06 GMT 1
Think this is a case of much ado about nothing. Vela was a really good player for us when he had the partnership with Norburn going but was outshone by Leahy and then Fornah last season.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 1, 2022 17:31:10 GMT 1
I could understand if he left us for a team in the championship or a club throwing money chasing promotion in league one, but Fleetwood? Comes across as a bit of a snake. his contract was up, he could have signed weeks ago but clearly waited until the day his contract ran out hoping for a better offer which obviously came his way before we shout snake, I presume Bennett didn't get a better offer as he only signed today the day after his contract ran out I would say footballers contracts usually end 30th June so another month yet. I bet Bennett signed on the dotted line a while back but only just announced it now so speculation isn’t caused whether he’s signed one and to bury the bad news about Vela in a paragraph at the end which you have to actually click the dropdown on the Facebook article to even see it. The club ****ed up here.
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Vela
Jun 1, 2022 17:44:17 GMT 1
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Post by barrynic on Jun 1, 2022 17:44:17 GMT 1
Not for the first time.
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Vela
Jun 1, 2022 17:58:29 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 1, 2022 17:58:29 GMT 1
Another snake to join an ever growing list. Let's get this straight the club have never said either had signed a new deal just agreed one. Gentleman's agreements count for nothing this day and age Let's put it this way, our new signing Jordon Shipley, signed a contract with his old club so that they got a fee, a more honourable approach?
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Post by blueboy48 on Jun 1, 2022 18:10:03 GMT 1
Vela refused to sign a contract extension last summer and chose to run it down. A big surprise that he 'signed' for us so quickly but it turns out he only agreed to Sign and his word isn't worth the paper it's not written on. Not many weeks ago the Star ran the story that if we offered him a new contract today he would sign it. He's lead the club up the garden path good and proper, so for that reason alone I'm glad he's gone.
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Post by secretshrew on Jun 1, 2022 18:23:28 GMT 1
We should have got him to sign on the dotted line sooner 😉 Joking aside, it's saying something that Fleetwood is a bigger draw than us. It’ll be to do with more money not a bigger draw/club. Unfortunately!
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 1, 2022 18:28:22 GMT 1
Won't miss him for his goals will we!!!🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Vela
Jun 1, 2022 19:42:39 GMT 1
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 1, 2022 19:42:39 GMT 1
He was decent last season. If he stays, good. If he goes, oh well. Not too concerned on this one.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 1, 2022 19:53:55 GMT 1
The trouble is that we have a habit of being old fashioned and take people at their word. These days it means very little. There are some exceptions but not many.
If he goes he goes.
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Post by blueboy48 on Jun 1, 2022 20:35:43 GMT 1
I think we can all agree that Vela is a very good footballer but I struggle to define exactly what sort of a midfielder he is. It seems easier, with all due respect, to say what he isnt; He doesn't score goals. He doesn't provide assists. He's not a holding midfielder. He's not an attacking midfielder. He's not a playmaker. He's not a winger. He doesn't hit long searching balls. He doesn't put crosses into the box.
I struggle to recall him making critical Contributions to games even though you can see his quality. He seems to be a very good Jack of all Trades but Master of None. Maybe he needs to find his best position to showcase his talent but I'm very surprised it will be at Fleetwood.
I think SC will find a more focused midfielder to replace him but as someone else said, the shopping list is getting longer.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 1, 2022 22:06:47 GMT 1
I think we can all agree that Vela is a very good footballer but I struggle to define exactly what sort of a midfielder he is. It seems easier, with all due respect, to say what he isnt; He doesn't score goals. He doesn't provide assists. He's not a holding midfielder. He's not an attacking midfielder. He's not a playmaker. He's not a winger. He doesn't hit long searching balls. He doesn't put crosses into the box. I struggle to recall him making critical Contributions to games even though you can see his quality. He seems to be a very good Jack of all Trades but Master of None. Maybe he needs to find his best position to showcase his talent but I'm very surprised it will be at Fleetwood. I think SC will find a more focused midfielder to replace him but as someone else said, the shopping list is getting longer. I know exactly what you mean but I would say that, after Laurent left, he on that role of winning the ball high up the pitch that is so vital for the pressing game. I think Shipley is a more creative player and will fit nicely into the midfield role behind the front two.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 2, 2022 1:15:21 GMT 1
personally i thought vela was s**te last season , his main feature was playing 1 yard balls to keep his stats good **** him i say
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 6:53:59 GMT 1
personally i thought vela was s**te last season , his main feature was playing 1 yard balls to keep his stats good **** him i say I agree that last season he was disappointing and for that reason I'm not overly disappointed he's going, however if he gets back to form for the previous season then Fleetwood will have a major attribute. The biggest disappointment for me isn't the fact he's going, it's the fact we thought he was stopping and now need to bring someone else in. We can blame Vela for that (and I do), however we once again are on the back foot during a transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 6:58:06 GMT 1
Another snake to join an ever growing list. Let's get this straight the club have never said either had signed a new deal just agreed one. Gentleman's agreements count for nothing this day and age Let's put it this way, our new signing Jordon Shipley, signed a contract with his old club so that they got a fee, a more honourable approach?
A nice thought but pretty sure Cov up the option to extend his contract (in order to get a fee).
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 2, 2022 7:25:05 GMT 1
Yes I think they knew they didn’t need him next season and he knew this too. He signed the contract so that the club he had served so well received a fee for him.
A different scenario for me.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 2, 2022 7:34:00 GMT 1
I fail to understand why the club ae being blasted due to this. They said an agreement was agreed (which is still true by all accounts). The Shropshire star reported it was agreed and signed (who knows if this is them jumping the gun or its what they were told). Vela is the one who went back on his word.
The fact Bennett has only just signed his contract suggests to me that it was done this was by design, either its common practice or SC prefers it this way. I might be the case that we are not usually aware of a player signing until everything is confirmed whereas in this case we were told after it was agreed.
It's a mess and we did not need to know any of it until the signing was completed.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 2, 2022 7:36:16 GMT 1
I think we can all agree that Vela is a very good footballer but I struggle to define exactly what sort of a midfielder he is. It seems easier, with all due respect, to say what he isnt; He doesn't score goals. He doesn't provide assists. He's not a holding midfielder. He's not an attacking midfielder. He's not a playmaker. He's not a winger. He doesn't hit long searching balls. He doesn't put crosses into the box. I struggle to recall him making critical Contributions to games even though you can see his quality. He seems to be a very good Jack of all Trades but Master of None. Maybe he needs to find his best position to showcase his talent but I'm very surprised it will be at Fleetwood. I think SC will find a more focused midfielder to replace him but as someone else said, the shopping list is getting longer. Totally agree. If a Fleetwood fan asked me what he was good at I would struggle to think of a list longer than he's full of energy. I am sure he does more than that as we missed him a lot when he got sent off but with Leahy and Shipley in the middle we need a defensive mid which are not hard to find.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 2, 2022 8:52:41 GMT 1
Vela is an ex player of the season. If you were to list towns best players in a disappointing last season from one to ten he would have been more towards the ten so for me not a big loss. He was a player on a higher salary so a chance to get someone else in who can maybe contribute an odd goal or two and not make himself a target for referees.
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Post by shrewblue on Jun 2, 2022 8:55:31 GMT 1
If he’s going it will be for a fee unless the club lied….. Why don’t those that say he’s going tell us why they think that? ‘ The Shropshire Star revealed midfielder Vela, 28, was offered fresh terms and the club have confirmed he has signed and agreed the contract.’I rather think this was sloppy reporting. If the Shropshire Star had left it as 'agreed new terms' as per the 'Retained List' announcement on the 3rd May, we would all just be saying oh well that's life! Either way we must move on and bring in a better player. There may well be a silver lining when Mr Vela gets sent off playing us and we go on and win the game!
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Vela
Jun 2, 2022 10:45:53 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jun 2, 2022 10:45:53 GMT 1
I fail to understand why the club ae being blasted due to this. They said an agreement was agreed (which is still true by all accounts). The Shropshire star reported it was agreed and signed (who knows if this is them jumping the gun or its what they were told). Vela is the one who went back on his word. The fact Bennett has only just signed his contract suggests to me that it was done this was by design, either its common practice or SC prefers it this way. I might be the case that we are not usually aware of a player signing until everything is confirmed whereas in this case we were told after it was agreed. It's a mess and we did not need to know any of it until the signing was completed. Put it this way, had they signed contracts on the day they were given them ( a whole month ago ). I would have taken that as a big positive. in Elliots case I had the impression he wanted to come here badly, loved the place, loved the fans, and then sits out his contract whilst a new offer sits in front of him, and signs it on the last day possible before the club have to release him. there may be a simple reason why this happened, but if I taken a quick signing to be a positive then a last minute on kind of puts doubt in my head but don't worry, we'll probably give David Davis a ring soon
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 2, 2022 11:00:44 GMT 1
His terms might be different from the last contract, so waiting until within 30 days of his existing contract expiring.
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Vela
Jun 2, 2022 11:13:26 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 2, 2022 11:13:26 GMT 1
Agent advice? Or did he sign as soon as he returned from holiday? Or had he signed some time ago and the club thought they ought to clarify the situation after Vela's failure to sign?
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Post by blueboy48 on Jun 2, 2022 11:19:51 GMT 1
I see it as both players agreed terms and then went on holiday whilst the contracts were written up. Now back home, Bennett keeps his word but Vela doesn't. The lure of Fleetwood was clearly too big to resist!!
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 2, 2022 11:45:47 GMT 1
That’s how I read it too. Interesting reading the article from Bennett about keeping one’s word.
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Vela
Jun 2, 2022 12:26:26 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jun 2, 2022 12:26:26 GMT 1
That’s how I read it too. Interesting reading the article from Bennett about keeping one’s word. also indicates something that may have swung things for Vela - closer to home. You can get fed up of the long term commuting.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 2, 2022 12:28:44 GMT 1
Yes I noted that. If that’s the reason then I wish him well. Perhaps he had time to reflect on his home life while he was on holiday.
I just hope he has had the courtesy to let the club know if this is the reason.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 2, 2022 13:10:09 GMT 1
The only thing I'm surprised about is that it is Fleetwood, it wasnt too long ago that Blackpool were apparently looking at him and of course he is a former bolton player
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