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Post by Dancin on May 31, 2022 10:27:05 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 31, 2022 10:30:59 GMT 1
modern justice or lack of it
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Post by Pilch on May 31, 2022 10:40:26 GMT 1
drives better than scooter 🙄
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2022 11:16:39 GMT 1
The judge said they "richly deserve to go to prison", but there had been an "increased maturity" in the three men since the incident. What he really meant was that the prisons are full, so if any excuse can be provided by the defence for not imposing a custodial sentence and replacing it with a suspended one, then he'll accept it. There are a number of these excuses - it seems to me that mental health issues and/or abuse are regularly raised, and the authorities will be none to keen to want a female to be imprisoned if it means her kids going into care. Alcoholism and drugs are also unbelievably used as mitigating factors too. It's surprising what excuses are accepted. www.independent.co.uk/voices/lavinia-woodward-stab-boyfriend-no-jail-prison-sentence-oxford-medical-student-too-clever-talent-judge-a7967971.htmlLavinia Woodward, a medical student and aspiring surgeon, attacked her ex-boyfriend Thomas Fairclough in the leg with a knife as well as a glass, a jam jar and a laptop in a drug-fuelled rage at her university accommodation at Oxford University on 30 December last year. Judge Ian Pringle QC previously said a jail sentence was “too severe” for Woodward because it could ruin her medical career. According to court documents, Woodward had been suffering from a personality disorder, a severe eating disorder and alcohol and drug dependence. The judge imposed a 10-month jail sentence suspended for 18 months.
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Post by ssshrew on May 31, 2022 11:54:52 GMT 1
And the authorities wonder why we are so sceptical, victims despair and villains carry on.
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Post by tdk on May 31, 2022 13:12:59 GMT 1
Steal money. Viewed as far more serious than physical harm by the authorities. Especially if you manage a Post Office and they need someone to blame.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2022 13:41:31 GMT 1
Ridiculous. One of those in Aber was breaching his bail for goodness sake. One was in possession of drugs. Wonder if the police picked up the driver in time to check for drink/drugs, because you do have to wonder with such lunatic driving.
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2022 13:43:36 GMT 1
Steal money. Viewed as far more serious than physical harm by the authorities. Especially if you manage a Post Office and they need someone to blame. I didn't notice that too many of the bankers ended up in jail after the financial crisis. A few token backbench M.Ps ended up being charged and jailed in the expenses scandal, but most got away with it.
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Post by martinshrew on May 31, 2022 13:47:40 GMT 1
It needs to be a serious amount if it's your first offence. Really needs to be up on ABH level crime on first offence it seems.
You've got 10s of thousands if not more in jail for messing around with a plant. Never smoked weed myself nor am I interested, but it doesn't do much harm let's be fair about it. The only harm it does is exploitation because it's "illegal"; legalise and you'll remove the whole exploitation element immediately and save millions on housing and feeding "weed criminals".
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2022 13:52:25 GMT 1
Steal money. Viewed as far more serious than physical harm by the authorities. Especially if you manage a Post Office and they need someone to blame. I didn't notice that too many of the bankers ended up in jail after the financial crisis. A few token backbench M.Ps ended up being charged and jailed in the expenses scandal, but most got away with it. I wasn't invested in them and was working hard, so don't know the story, but I always wondered how those in charge of Equitable Life managed to keep on advertising and taking people's pension money until it's sudden sharp demise with no recompense for those that lost all their pension?
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2022 13:55:25 GMT 1
It needs to be a serious amount if it's your first offence. Really needs to be up on ABH level crime on first offence it seems. You've got 10s of thousands if not more in jail for messing around with a plant. Never smoked weed myself nor am I interested, but it doesn't do much harm let's be fair about it. The only harm it does is exploitation because it's "illegal"; legalise and you'll remove the whole exploitation element immediately and save millions on housing and feeding "weed criminals". Tax 'em to the hilt instead, like the ciggies? I doubt it's tens of thousands though, unless the drugs led to burglery, etc.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 31, 2022 14:21:41 GMT 1
Have a read of the Secret Barrister and he will enlighten you on the legal system and its weird ways. If you flout immigration laws the minimum sentence is prison, regardless of circumstances, but you can beat or stab someone and then you become a lottery of the legal system with a good chance you won't go to prison.
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Post by martinshrew on May 31, 2022 14:30:48 GMT 1
It needs to be a serious amount if it's your first offence. Really needs to be up on ABH level crime on first offence it seems. You've got 10s of thousands if not more in jail for messing around with a plant. Never smoked weed myself nor am I interested, but it doesn't do much harm let's be fair about it. The only harm it does is exploitation because it's "illegal"; legalise and you'll remove the whole exploitation element immediately and save millions on housing and feeding "weed criminals". Tax 'em to the hilt instead, like the ciggies? I doubt it's tens of thousands though, unless the drugs led to burglery, etc. We're missing out on crazy tax off weed.
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 31, 2022 15:46:44 GMT 1
Tax 'em to the hilt instead, like the ciggies? I doubt it's tens of thousands though, unless the drugs led to burglery, etc. We're missing out on crazy tax off weed. Fully agree, cannabis should be regulated and taxed in the same way as alcohol. The pointless war on drugs is an abject failure that does more harm than good. A fully regulated market would likely lead to better quality products, more choice and lower prices for consumers (given risk is what currently sets prices), lead to an increase in tax receipts, a reduction in the cost of enforcing a wildly unpopular law and less people criminalised for no good reason whilst leaving the overall amount of use probably unchanged as prohibition does absolutely nothing to prevent people from accessing cannabis (in fact, stats from places like the Netherlands actually report lower use as regulatory standards prevent sale to just anybody and some of the mystique comes off). In fact, his stance on this issue is currently my biggest gripe with Starmer and, were I not to live in North Shropshire (where I'll likely be voting for Helen Morgan again next time round), would potentially steer me away from a Labour vote. Think he needs to get his act together sharpish on that front.
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Post by block12massive on May 31, 2022 16:04:10 GMT 1
I don't know how we got on to the subject of weed but prolonged cannabis misuse can lead to psychosis and an increased risk of developing schizophrenia to the user.
We've then got to consider that if more people can freely access it, then there's the further risk of people being under the influence of it. For example in the workplace, potentially leading to more industrial injuries or when driving, potentially leading to more RTA's.
Not to mention the obvious elephant in the room - the drain on the health service.
By all means re-classify it to a Class C but thinking 'taxing it to the hilt' won't do anything apart from drive it back underground and create a black market for those who couldn't afford it.
Cannabis doesn't tend to be a 'yuppie' drug in the same way cocaine is.
Typical out-of-touch namby pamby Lib Dem mindset.
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Post by scooter on May 31, 2022 16:19:52 GMT 1
drives better than scooter 🙄 I only drive at people on Meole island after a match. Serves them right if they don’t wait for the green lights 😃
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Post by tdk on May 31, 2022 17:53:55 GMT 1
Steal money. Viewed as far more serious than physical harm by the authorities. Especially if you manage a Post Office and they need someone to blame. I didn't notice that too many of the bankers ended up in jail after the financial crisis. That's because they stole our money. You try stealing from the powers that be and see what happens
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 1, 2022 20:36:27 GMT 1
I don't know how we got on to the subject of weed but prolonged cannabis misuse can lead to psychosis and an increased risk of developing schizophrenia to the user. We've then got to consider that if more people can freely access it, then there's the further risk of people being under the influence of it. For example in the workplace, potentially leading to more industrial injuries or when driving, potentially leading to more RTA's. Not to mention the obvious elephant in the room - the drain on the health service. By all means re-classify it to a Class C but thinking 'taxing it to the hilt' won't do anything apart from drive it back underground and create a black market for those who couldn't afford it. Cannabis doesn't tend to be a 'yuppie' drug in the same way cocaine is. Typical out-of-touch namby pamby Lib Dem mindset. The price of illegal drugs is driven by illegality. It's the risk/reward ratio in action. There'll probably be some knock on costs of entry to the market but given the UK has the world's largest medicinal cannabis producers who can pretty much immediately scale up for the recreational market there's unlikely to be a huge impact on price. Legalisation also allows for premiumisation; of course there'll be organic and God knows what else versions that sell for top dollar but the corrollary means you can get value versions too. The black market system means broadly speaking users pay the same price whether it's bargain basement quality or gourmet and have little consumer rights or choice. The most interesting thing about your post though is the bizarre belief that legalisation will somehow open the floodgates when prohibition currently does less than nothing to prevent people accessing cannabis. With a minimum of effort, unless you live in the back end of nowhere, anyone who wants to will likely be able to source drugs (doubly so in the Internet era). In fact, the lack of regulation means unscrupulous dealers often take no precautions about who they sell to. Regulation is actually likely to reduce instances of related mental health issues due to increased quality control in production lines and stronger regulation of who providers can sell to. Ultimately, prolonged use of alcohol is far more problematic but most of us aren't calling for that to be banned. Why should cannabis be any different?
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Post by vladimir on Jun 1, 2022 21:55:49 GMT 1
I don't know how we got on to the subject of weed but prolonged cannabis misuse can lead to psychosis and an increased risk of developing schizophrenia to the user. We've then got to consider that if more people can freely access it, then there's the further risk of people being under the influence of it. For example in the workplace, potentially leading to more industrial injuries or when driving, potentially leading to more RTA's. Not to mention the obvious elephant in the room - the drain on the health service. By all means re-classify it to a Class C but thinking 'taxing it to the hilt' won't do anything apart from drive it back underground and create a black market for those who couldn't afford it. Cannabis doesn't tend to be a 'yuppie' drug in the same way cocaine is. Typical out-of-touch namby pamby Lib Dem mindset. With this logic im assuming you don't drink ever?
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