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Post by Exkeeper on May 26, 2022 13:50:39 GMT 1
In Boris we trust Never trust a proven liar.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 26, 2022 13:50:48 GMT 1
Take away the froth and the £300 one off payment to pensioners only replaces the triple lock rise they should have had in April. And, being a one off payment, it won't be consolidated into future pension rises like the triple lock increase would have been. Sunak just can't curb his devious nature can he? if boris resigned you'll go into auto pilot and complain about it until someone pointed out to you he's gone 😜😜 No!
But the sooner we get the chance to test out your theory the better.
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Post by Exkeeper on May 26, 2022 13:52:05 GMT 1
In Boris we trust Never trust a proven liar.
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Post by pughywasfree on May 26, 2022 13:52:17 GMT 1
Energy price go up around £1500 so everyone is given around £400 (possibly) all while the big energy firms make an obscene amount of profit.
Excuse me if I don't jump for joy. It won't change the fact there will be far too many families choosing between heating there homes or eating. Assuming they are rich enough to have that choice.
Don't you just love Tory Britain.
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Post by martinshrew on May 26, 2022 14:21:53 GMT 1
Energy price go up around £1500 so everyone is given around £400 (possibly) all while the big energy firms make an obscene amount of profit. Excuse me if I don't jump for joy. It won't change the fact there will be far too many families choosing between heating there homes or eating. Assuming they are rich enough to have that choice. Don't you just love Tory Britain. There seems to be a complete reliance on government since the Covid pandemic. The government is giving out enormous amounts of money to help people. Make no mistake, the amounts are absolutely enormous. I don't doubt there are families struggling, but find me the ones who don't smoke, drink to excess, have the latest smart phones and multiple TV subscription packages and put them to the front of the queue for everything. It's about priorities, some people's are all over the place.
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Post by northwestman on May 26, 2022 14:24:01 GMT 1
Energy price go up around £1500 so everyone is given around £400 (possibly) all while the big energy firms make an obscene amount of profit. Excuse me if I don't jump for joy. It won't change the fact there will be far too many families choosing between heating there homes or eating. Assuming they are rich enough to have that choice. Don't you just love Tory Britain. This research by Oxfam will make depressing reading for you then! www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/pandemic-creates-new-billionaire-every-30-hours-now-million-people-could-fallFor every new billionaire created during the pandemic — one every 30 hours — nearly a million people could be pushed into extreme poverty in 2022 at nearly the same rate, reveals a new Oxfam brief today. Billionaires are celebrating an incredible surge in their fortunes. The pandemic and now the steep increases in food and energy prices have, simply put, been a bonanza for them. Meanwhile, decades of progress on extreme poverty are now in reverse and millions of people are facing impossible rises in the cost of simply staying alive. Billionaires’ fortunes have not increased because they are now smarter or working harder. Workers are working harder, for less pay and in worse conditions. The super-rich have rigged the system with impunity for decades and they are now reaping the benefits. They have seized a shocking amount of the world’s wealth as a result of privatization and monopolies, gutting regulation and workers’ rights while stashing their cash in tax havens — all with the complicity of governments. Meanwhile, millions of others are skipping meals, turning off the heating, falling behind on bills and wondering what they can possibly do next to survive.
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Post by martinshrew on May 26, 2022 14:27:56 GMT 1
When Martin Lewis praises it, you know it's a generous scheme.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 26, 2022 14:28:51 GMT 1
Take away the froth and the £300 one off payment to pensioners only replaces the triple lock rise they should have had in April. And, being a one off payment, it won't be consolidated into future pension rises like the triple lock increase would have been. Sunak just can't curb his devious nature can he? “should have” doing a lot of the heavy lifting, in what is a matter of opinion. Were you also up in arms in the four tax years since 2013/14 where the arbitrary 2.5% increase applied, gifting boomer pensioners above inflationary increases and widening the generational wealth gap needlessly further still?
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Post by Pilch on May 26, 2022 14:38:47 GMT 1
The left "Tories are too busy fighting culture wars and don't care bout the cost of living crisis" *Tories introduce windfall tax and payments to every household* The left "It's a distraction technique and Labour thought of it first" the real task is being the ones who have to make the decisions anyone can suggest every different possible idea and then highlight the best ones in hindsight claiming they said it first i do it on this forum until people are sick of it 😜 it is more the case of as someone has suggested a brown envelope from boris to shut us up for a bit
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Post by pughywasfree on May 26, 2022 14:42:15 GMT 1
Energy price go up around £1500 so everyone is given around £400 (possibly) all while the big energy firms make an obscene amount of profit. Excuse me if I don't jump for joy. It won't change the fact there will be far too many families choosing between heating there homes or eating. Assuming they are rich enough to have that choice. Don't you just love Tory Britain. There seems to be a complete reliance on government since the Covid pandemic. The government is giving out enormous amounts of money to help people. Make no mistake, the amounts are absolutely enormous. I don't doubt there are families struggling, but find me the ones who don't smoke, drink to excess, have the latest smart phones and multiple TV subscription packages and put them to the front of the queue for everything. It's about priorities, some people's are all over the place. It's not about hand outs from the government but as seen around Europe governments have the power to stop energy companies extorting their citizens. Until we are in a situation where someone who works full time on minimum wage and have all there basic needs met I think it's unfair to criticise the poor. I know with my bills I'd really struggle to live on £19700 a year and I have no big luxuries to pay for regularly.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 26, 2022 14:43:01 GMT 1
Take away the froth and the £300 one off payment to pensioners only replaces the triple lock rise they should have had in April. And, being a one off payment, it won't be consolidated into future pension rises like the triple lock increase would have been. Sunak just can't curb his devious nature can he? “should have” doing a lot of the heavy lifting, in what is a matter of opinion. Were you also up in arms in the four tax years since 2013/14 where the arbitrary 2.5% increase applied, gifting boomer pensioners above inflationary increases and widening the generational wealth gap needlessly further still? When the Tories were elected they promised to keep the triple lock. They also promised no tax increases. Whether the promises were the right thing to do or not, the Tories have broken those election promises.
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Post by northwestman on May 26, 2022 14:45:07 GMT 1
Take away the froth and the £300 one off payment to pensioners only replaces the triple lock rise they should have had in April. And, being a one off payment, it won't be consolidated into future pension rises like the triple lock increase would have been. Sunak just can't curb his devious nature can he? “should have” doing a lot of the heavy lifting, in what is a matter of opinion. Were you also up in arms in the four tax years since 2013/14 where the arbitrary 2.5% increase applied, gifting boomer pensioners above inflationary increases and widening the generational wealth gap needlessly further still? And that 2.5% increase was applied to one of the lowest state pensions in Europe. A comparison of state pension alone shows the UK providing a lower level of pension than most other advanced economies relative to average earnings. However, the relative position of pensioners converges if income from all sources is considered. The UK devotes a smaller percentage of its GDP to state pensions and pensioner benefits than most other advanced economies. Income from occupational and personal pensions is a relatively important source of pensioner income in the UK, in contrast to many other countries where state provision (financed either through social insurance contributions or general taxation) is dominant.
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Post by davycrockett on May 26, 2022 14:48:24 GMT 1
I actually think Cummins is behind all the revelations / leaks via close friends of his still within the cabinet office. There must be plenty more evidence on Boris and photo’s just waiting for the right time to be released…
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Post by The Clash 1966 on May 26, 2022 14:50:18 GMT 1
I'm easily bribed
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 26, 2022 14:52:39 GMT 1
“should have” doing a lot of the heavy lifting, in what is a matter of opinion. Were you also up in arms in the four tax years since 2013/14 where the arbitrary 2.5% increase applied, gifting boomer pensioners above inflationary increases and widening the generational wealth gap needlessly further still? And that 2.5% increase was applied to one of the lowest state pensions in Europe. A comparison of state pension alone shows the UK providing a lower level of pension than most other advanced economies relative to average earnings. However, the relative position of pensioners converges if income from all sources is considered. The UK devotes a smaller percentage of its GDP to state pensions and pensioner benefits than most other advanced economies. Income from occupational and personal pensions is a relatively important source of pensioner income in the UK, in contrast to many other countries where state provision (financed either through social insurance contributions or general taxation) is dominant. As you allude to, historically UK governments have done a comparatively good job of encouraging private pension provision, reducing the burden on the state. Undertaking any analysis of state pension provision between countries is almost entirely meaningless without huge amounts of supporting context of the underlying pensions and tax regime in each.
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Post by davycrockett on May 26, 2022 15:00:33 GMT 1
And that 2.5% increase was applied to one of the lowest state pensions in Europe. A comparison of state pension alone shows the UK providing a lower level of pension than most other advanced economies relative to average earnings. However, the relative position of pensioners converges if income from all sources is considered. The UK devotes a smaller percentage of its GDP to state pensions and pensioner benefits than most other advanced economies. Income from occupational and personal pensions is a relatively important source of pensioner income in the UK, in contrast to many other countries where state provision (financed either through social insurance contributions or general taxation) is dominant. As you allude to, historically UK governments have done a comparatively good job of encouraging private pension provision, reducing the burden on the state. Undertaking any analysis of state pension provision between countries is almost entirely meaningless without huge amounts of supporting context of the underlying pensions and tax regime in each. All done here 👍 ours is still poor in comparison with most…. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/SN00290.pdf
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Post by staffordshrew on May 26, 2022 15:08:53 GMT 1
As you allude to, historically UK governments have done a comparatively good job of encouraging private pension provision, reducing the burden on the state. Undertaking any analysis of state pension provision between countries is almost entirely meaningless without huge amounts of supporting context of the underlying pensions and tax regime in each. All done here 👍 ours is still poor in comparison with most…. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/SN00290.pdfNot much of a detective this Swan chap is he? Must be the uniform branch (line).
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 26, 2022 15:11:28 GMT 1
As you allude to, historically UK governments have done a comparatively good job of encouraging private pension provision, reducing the burden on the state. Undertaking any analysis of state pension provision between countries is almost entirely meaningless without huge amounts of supporting context of the underlying pensions and tax regime in each. All done here 👍 ours is still poor in comparison with most…. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/SN00290.pdfThank you, I’m well aware northwestman was quoting the initial summary from that report which sets out the criticisms the report is trying to give context to. As I said, you need to consider the wider pensions ecosystem rather purely state pension provision, which that report does only to a very limited fashion. Studies such as the annual Mercer index in no way ever show the UK pension landscape as “poor in comparison with most”. The Dutch and Danish pensions systems invariably are considered world leading in such studies. The UK is comfortably in the second tier behind that small group and well ahead of the likes of the USA.
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Post by venceremos on May 26, 2022 15:16:49 GMT 1
Energy price go up around £1500 so everyone is given around £400 (possibly) all while the big energy firms make an obscene amount of profit. Excuse me if I don't jump for joy. It won't change the fact there will be far too many families choosing between heating there homes or eating. Assuming they are rich enough to have that choice. Don't you just love Tory Britain. There seems to be a complete reliance on government since the Covid pandemic. The government is giving out enormous amounts of money to help people. Make no mistake, the amounts are absolutely enormous. I don't doubt there are families struggling, but find me the ones who don't smoke, drink to excess, have the latest smart phones and multiple TV subscription packages and put them to the front of the queue for everything. It's about priorities, some people's are all over the place. More top level assumption making there ...
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Post by venceremos on May 26, 2022 15:18:37 GMT 1
Thank you, I’m well aware northwestman was quoting the initial summary from that report which sets out the criticisms the report is trying to give context to. As I said, you need to consider the wider pensions ecosystem rather purely state pension provision, which that report does only to a very limited fashion. Studies such as the annual Mercer index in no way ever show the UK pension landscape as “poor in comparison with most”. The Dutch and Danish pensions systems invariably are considered world leading in such studies. The UK is comfortably in the second tier behind that small group and well ahead of the likes of the USA. "In no way ever"? My, you are getting unusually worked up about this. Have you been hacked?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 26, 2022 15:21:02 GMT 1
Thank you, I’m well aware northwestman was quoting the initial summary from that report which sets out the criticisms the report is trying to give context to. As I said, you need to consider the wider pensions ecosystem rather purely state pension provision, which that report does only to a very limited fashion. Studies such as the annual Mercer index in no way ever show the UK pension landscape as “poor in comparison with most”. The Dutch and Danish pensions systems invariably are considered world leading in such studies. The UK is comfortably in the second tier behind that small group and well ahead of the likes of the USA. "In no way ever"? My, you are getting unusually worked up about this. Have you been hacked? Yes
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Post by venceremos on May 26, 2022 15:35:04 GMT 1
"In no way ever"? My, you are getting unusually worked up about this. Have you been hacked? Yes I knew it! [The finger of suspicion points at ...... .....?]
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Post by Pilch on May 26, 2022 15:46:09 GMT 1
In Boris we trust Never trust a proven liar.
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Post by Exkeeper on May 26, 2022 15:59:25 GMT 1
I was referring to Johnson, but you in typical Tory fashion deflect from the point and point the finger at someone else. That to me, says that you will turn a blind eye to Johnson’s many deficiencies. The time will come, as it did with Thatcher that the faithful will turn on him and will then be queueing up to stab in the back.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 26, 2022 16:06:48 GMT 1
Matt Zaab-Cousin is a former top aide to Jeremy Corbyn. He has an agenda about the party moving a little to the right.
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Post by martinshrew on May 26, 2022 16:06:55 GMT 1
There seems to be a complete reliance on government since the Covid pandemic. The government is giving out enormous amounts of money to help people. Make no mistake, the amounts are absolutely enormous. I don't doubt there are families struggling, but find me the ones who don't smoke, drink to excess, have the latest smart phones and multiple TV subscription packages and put them to the front of the queue for everything. It's about priorities, some people's are all over the place. More top level assumption making there ... Less assumption, more personal experience. Albeit I haven't been round the entire country, I've sampled 100s "in need". When broken down, there is some genuine need coupled with a lot of mixed priorities and lack of life education/skill set.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 16:07:20 GMT 1
Whatever help is given wont be enough in some communities.
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Post by Pilch on May 26, 2022 16:10:32 GMT 1
I was referring to Johnson, but you in typical Tory fashion deflect from the point and point the finger at someone else. That to me, says that you will turn a blind eye to Johnson’s many deficiencies. The time will come, as it did with Thatcher that the faithful will turn on him and will then be queueing up to stab in the back. woooh there just a sec the thread is about the fuel handout but you not once but twice posted, 'never trust a liar' so I responded to that to remind you that your faith is with another liar you reply suggesting it was ME ! deflecting from the point ? and then you bring Thatcher in to it ?, all whilst conveniently not saying one word about the Liar you support, and you accuse me of turning a blind eye , as Jargon would say , WOW and if you check back to the time cake gate erupted my opinion was Boris should be sacked so lets get that bit right at least, I judge them all on their own merit that's why I don't do politics, its saves having to become a hypocrite ;-)
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Post by salop27 on May 26, 2022 16:12:27 GMT 1
This money should be paid straight to the gas and electric suppliers, admittedly very ironic. I say this as a lot of people,both poor and wealthy, find it very hard to budget money correctly. Difference being if you have a shed load of money it doesn't matter if you're useless with it.
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Post by Pilch on May 26, 2022 16:12:32 GMT 1
Whatever help is given wont be enough in some communities. give some people 10 grand, they would waste and and their kids would still be cold and hungry
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