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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2022 12:31:19 GMT 1
Should be banned from every ground for life and a minimum of 5 years inside. Totally agree. The assault was appalling. I'd go a step further and issue a three point deduction for this sort of behaviour. Might make the moronic fan element think twice if they knew that they would earn the club a points deduction. can anyone get me a ticket for wolves on sunday ? actually do i even need a ticket ? 🙄
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Post by davycrockett on May 18, 2022 12:32:27 GMT 1
From the video if they’ve got the right fan he’ll get a lifetime banning order surely… Too much hatred in football, starts off as banter / rivalry and ends up with fans hating fans of other clubs…. Liverpool, MK Dons even Wycombe now. Then some Neanderthal takes it too far. No question that pitch invasions are an invitation to troublemakers and idiots. By all means allow fans on to the pitch for presentations of trophies etc but only after all players have left the pitch. I will admit to a serious dislike of MK Dons and Wycombe but hate is far too strong a word. The point is serious dislikes by some (most of the EFL family in the case of MK Dons) can become serious hatred by others though social media…. Look at our young fans at Liverpool with anti Hillsborough songs, they didn’t just decide on their own they were influenced by others opinions of Liverpool on social media. Personally think MK Dons dislikes gone I long enough but appreciate others will to hold grudges forever… Even my dad forgave the Germans and they shot him.
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Post by kenwood on May 18, 2022 12:51:36 GMT 1
They’re impossible to ‘ban’ unless you have 3 stewards/police to every fan which isn’t plausible. As others mentioned there’s a fine line between banter & going too far and unfortunately some can’t deal with it. You only have to look at this board to see some people can give out ‘banter’ but can’t take it!!! I agree with what you say but I think most of us are old enough to remember there used to be a very effective method of preventing pitch invasions - fenced in crowds. Post-Hillsborough they were removed, thankfully, but with all-seat/safe standing stadia it would be quite easy to reintroduce them if the problem was considered serious enough. Nobody wants that, which is why every violent or intimidatory act by any spectator on the pitch needs to be punished to the max. What an appalling act . Makes me think what if the perpetrator had a knife. The thought leaves me cold.
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Post by Dancin on May 18, 2022 12:55:00 GMT 1
I'm not saying Forest aren't doing anything I'm suggesting a course of action to stop/deter such incidents happening again? By penalising an entire club and fanbase? It appears to be working in France there's been considerably less trouble in grounds after the French FA imposed stadium closures on some clubs. I'm not saying I want it, it's just a thought process.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on May 18, 2022 13:24:57 GMT 1
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 18, 2022 13:46:06 GMT 1
I've looked at this twice now and the force his head went into Billy Sharp's face was 'horrific'. It could have caused a serious fracture or even brain damage. I hope this isn't the case and that the player only has superficial injuries. Very, very serious assault & hopefully the police and courts will throw the book at him, which hopefully deters morons like him from doing likewise. Sharp tweeted a pretty generous statement given the circumstances, and it read like it was written by him rather than a team. So fortunately think he's ok.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 18, 2022 14:13:04 GMT 1
Happened at our play off semi final against charlton didn't it---- did somebody punch Lee bowyer or push him, I can't remember.someone will get seriously hurt one day.hope Sharpe is ok
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Post by northwestman on May 18, 2022 14:15:42 GMT 1
Sharp tweeted on Wednesday morning that "one mindless idiot ruined what was an unbelievable night of football".
However, he added it would not "ruin my respect for the Forest fans".
Class comments from Sharp.
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Post by davycrockett on May 18, 2022 14:30:13 GMT 1
I'm not saying Forest aren't doing anything I'm suggesting a course of action to stop/deter such incidents happening again? By penalising an entire club and fanbase? How’s that? NF will no doubt get a fine for the pitch invasion to deter further pitch invasions……. If fans know their clubs going to get say a £50k fine they’ll think twice, won’t affect the club or fans too much but need to stop mass invasions where fans are out of control (like last night the club had lost control).… Almost a serious incident at our last game when Home and Away supporters came on to ‘celibrate‘ but one Shrewsbury fan decided to run straight up to a Wigan fan and seriously assault him….
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Post by ssshrew on May 18, 2022 17:45:14 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on May 18, 2022 18:23:57 GMT 1
Called it!
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Post by South Stand Salopian on May 18, 2022 18:47:22 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2022 18:53:36 GMT 1
if guilty will he get a life ban and taken to court ? NOPE
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Post by SamHarvey on May 18, 2022 19:06:23 GMT 1
That is a shocking video. Man has been arrested, so no doubt will face charges and get banned. With all the chat on banning pitch invasions though, this was one incident among thousands of people. Most enjoyed celebrating with the players and celebrating a great achievement. We shouldn’t allow one idiot to ruin in for the majority. Pitch invasion are banned, your talking as if they’re part of football…. As you say it only takes one idiot but unfortunately you can’t just allow the nice fans on…..wasn’t there a similar (but less serious) incident at the Notts Forrest Derby game? Whatever people may think, pitch invasions are part of football. Granted I think probably to much nowadays (think Lincoln city or Wigan athletic), but it tends to go hand in hand with success. A league win, promotion, play offs or a cup upset. Honestly who on here didn’t think the pitch invasion after clawing back from a 2-0 deficit against the then world champions Liverpool wasn’t special? One of my favourite memories as a town fan.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on May 18, 2022 19:22:54 GMT 1
Pitch invasion are banned, your talking as if they’re part of football…. As you say it only takes one idiot but unfortunately you can’t just allow the nice fans on…..wasn’t there a similar (but less serious) incident at the Notts Forrest Derby game? Whatever people may think, pitch invasions are part of football. Granted I think probably to much nowadays (think Lincoln city or Wigan athletic), but it tends to go hand in hand with success. A league win, promotion, play offs or a cup upset. Honestly who on here didn’t think the pitch invasion after clawing back from a 2-0 deficit against the then world champions Liverpool wasn’t special? One of my favourite memories as a town fan. We do it too often the novelty has worn off for me now it’s pointless, think I last did it after the play off semi v Charlton. If we genuinely achieve something I will probs do so again.
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Post by servernaside on May 18, 2022 19:30:51 GMT 1
Fences went up around pitches when this became a problem in the 1970's and 1980's.
Let's hope we don't return to that with all the attendant safety issues.
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Post by martinshrew on May 18, 2022 23:28:55 GMT 1
if guilty will he get a life ban and taken to court ? NOPE He won't because the fan fell on Oli McBurnie's broken foot, he pulled his foot away. A version of events back up by stewards and police present.
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2022 23:41:38 GMT 1
if guilty will he get a life ban and taken to court ? NOPE He won't because the fan fell on Oli McBurnie's broken foot, he pulled his foot away. A version of events back up by stewards and police present. fair enough , i didn't see it and only went by the headline
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 19, 2022 7:38:45 GMT 1
Thankfully I doubt we'll be seeing fences going up again anytime soon. Thankfully those days are well behind us. So then you wonder what can be done unless you are prepared to form some human shield around the whole pitch to stop fans getting on. And even then with the numbers we are talking about that not guaranteed to stop people getting onto the pitch and may result in more injuries. So not sure what clubs are expected to do.
I don't think reduced capacities are going to help because is punishes clubs and the vast majority of fans and I don't think its a deterrent to the sort of person who behaves in this manner anyhow.
So it will be interesting to see what the EFL are referring when they talk of "other similar mitigations".
But for me let the law run its course, punish the individual, make it know the action that has been taken against them. But let's not punish clubs or the vast majority of fans who attend games because of the actions of a small number of idiots.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 7:55:54 GMT 1
It's wrong but any time an incident like this happens,we hear loads of melodramatic nonsense about things are out of control, return to the bad old days blah blah blah.
Pitch invasions are rare and incidents like this are even rarer. If it's a fairly regular occurrence at certain clubs and they are not doing anything then by all means look to penalise the club, but I'm pretty confident that this is the first time a Forest fan has attacked an opposition player.
It's nearly impossible to stop a pitch invasion but on occasions where its obvious one will occur such as the play offs, they can be policed so much better. Put a line of police/stewards in front of the away fans, make sure the opposition players/staff have security around them. It's not rocket science.
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Post by davycrockett on May 19, 2022 8:00:49 GMT 1
I think club fines individual banning orders reduced capacities and even playing games behind closed doors will be part of the punishments used to kerb worsening behaviour for not just pitch intrusions but flares and smoke bombs which are getting more common.
I couldn’t believe the number at the recent cup finale with many fans openly filmed holding flares and throwing smoke canisters. Anyone who attended the Sunderland away game will have been subjected to being lined up check out by sniffer dogs trained to identify pyrotechnics with a full search for anyone identified by the dogs…. Confirmed by Police Commander that it was because our team had a record of smoke bombs.
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Post by block12massive on May 19, 2022 8:42:13 GMT 1
ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10831135/Northampton-fans-invade-pitch-League-Two-playoff-defeat-throw-flare-Mansfield-players.html
More playoff agro in League Two last night.
Tonight's fixture is Port Vale v Swindon *gulps*
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 8:46:46 GMT 1
ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10831135/Northampton-fans-invade-pitch-League-Two-playoff-defeat-throw-flare-Mansfield-players.html More playoff agro in League Two last night. Tonight's fixture is Port Vale v Swindon *gulps* Theres always incidents in play-offs. Big attendances, large away followings, lots riding on games and perhaps crucially, games kicking off based on TV scheduling needs, rather than police advice. Not that it makes it ok of course but most of the games in the play-offs are incident free during the regular season, put them at the end of the season and promotion riding on them, it's a very different matter.
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2022 9:49:55 GMT 1
It's wrong but any time an incident like this happens,we hear loads of melodramatic nonsense about things are out of control, return to the bad old days blah blah blah. Pitch invasions are rare and incidents like this are even rarer. If it's a fairly regular occurrence at certain clubs and they are not doing anything then by all means look to penalise the club, but I'm pretty confident that this is the first time a Forest fan has attacked an opposition player. It's nearly impossible to stop a pitch invasion but on occasions where its obvious one will occur such as the play offs, they can be policed so much better. Put a line of police/stewards in front of the away fans, make sure the opposition players/staff have security around them. It's not rocket science. i think we'll see a higher fence in the north stand next season , maybe a foot higher at a guess
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Post by ssshrew on May 19, 2022 12:27:14 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on May 19, 2022 12:52:41 GMT 1
"He was also given a two-year football banning order." I was expecting at least 5 years.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 19, 2022 13:12:45 GMT 1
"He was also given a two-year football banning order." I was expecting at least 5 years. Dunno if that was a typo from BBC but it days 10 years now
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Post by pughywasfree on May 19, 2022 13:17:44 GMT 1
12 weeks inside for that is a joke. He could have broke his jaw which would have taken longer to heal.
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Post by Dancin on May 19, 2022 13:35:55 GMT 1
"He was also given a two-year football banning order." I was expecting at least 5 years. Dunno if that was a typo from BBC but it days 10 years now Yeah probably
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 19, 2022 14:28:47 GMT 1
in one clip i saw he ran from the other side of the halfway line and delibretly tageted the player, there is conflicting reports on hte length of the sentance from 24 weeks to ten years and thte length of hte ban from attending a football game www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-61505835"The judge had been urged to hand down a suspended sentence on Biggs, who claimed he and his girlfriend would not be able to keep up monthly mortgage repayments if he was jailed. But the judge said: "Given the gravity of this offence, where thousands were present to witness it, there has to be an element of deterrence." iv no idea why the moji came on this link www.sportbible.com/football/nottingham-forest-fan-jailed-for-ing-billy-sharp-20220519
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