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Post by ssshrew on May 8, 2022 17:57:32 GMT 1
I’ve just seen this. Very sad one of my favourites.
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2022 18:03:45 GMT 1
I’ve just seen this. Very sad one of my favourites. Yes. Same here. A very sad loss. R.I.P.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2022 19:44:47 GMT 1
one of my favs, especially minder
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Post by The Clash 1966 on May 8, 2022 20:42:26 GMT 1
Loved Minder, TV highlight of the week when I was about 14.
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Post by blueboy48 on May 8, 2022 20:49:01 GMT 1
The Sweeny, Minder and New Tricks. Three of my all time favourites and no coincidence that he starred in all three.
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Post by jacksdad on May 8, 2022 22:19:58 GMT 1
The Sweeny, Minder and New Tricks. Three of my all time favourites and no coincidence that he starred in all three. Completely agree, I love all three. Watermann acted along side some great actors in all three programmes but he more than held his own. Another actor, like Peter Bowles who also passed recently, who invokes such fond memories of my teenage years. Minder was just brilliant. So sad to hear of his passing and at a relatively young age these days. My condolences to his family and friends. RIP Dennis
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Post by jacksdad on May 8, 2022 22:20:10 GMT 1
The Sweeny, Minder and New Tricks. Three of my all time favourites and no coincidence that he starred in all three. Completely agree, I love all three. Watermann acted along side some great actors in all three programmes but he more than held his own. Another actor, like Peter Bowles who also passed recently, who invokes such fond memories of my teenage years. Minder was just brilliant. So sad to hear of his passing and at a relatively young age these days. My condolences to his family and friends. RIP Dennis
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Post by block12massive on May 9, 2022 8:42:48 GMT 1
RIP.
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2022 9:19:28 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2022 11:16:52 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2022 17:40:11 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10798921/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Winchester-Club-wake-bid-farewell-Dennis-Waterman.htmlThe BBC is currently planning to spend £50 million finding out what most licence-payers like to watch. I can save them the time and money. Not the new Dr Who, for a start. Heaven knows what Dennis would have made of the latest ludicrous successor to William Hartnell and Tom Baker. Words fail even me. Instead of chasing woke millennials who watch everything on their phone and don't pay the licence fee anyway, the BBC bigwigs should tune into ITV4 late afternoons any weekday. There they will find the answer staring them in the face — Dennis Waterman starring in The Sweeney or Minder.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 17:59:27 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10798921/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Winchester-Club-wake-bid-farewell-Dennis-Waterman.htmlThe BBC is currently planning to spend £50 million finding out what most licence-payers like to watch. I can save them the time and money. Not the new Dr Who, for a start. Heaven knows what Dennis would have made of the latest ludicrous successor to William Hartnell and Tom Baker. Words fail even me. Instead of chasing woke millennials who watch everything on their phone and don't pay the licence fee anyway, the BBC bigwigs should tune into ITV4 late afternoons any weekday. There they will find the answer staring them in the face — Dennis Waterman starring in The Sweeney or Minder. I stopped watching Doctor Who not long after Jodie Whittaker took over, I just couldn't take to her in the role.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2022 18:02:13 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10798921/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Winchester-Club-wake-bid-farewell-Dennis-Waterman.htmlThe BBC is currently planning to spend £50 million finding out what most licence-payers like to watch. I can save them the time and money. Not the new Dr Who, for a start. Heaven knows what Dennis would have made of the latest ludicrous successor to William Hartnell and Tom Baker. Words fail even me. Instead of chasing woke millennials who watch everything on their phone and don't pay the licence fee anyway, the BBC bigwigs should tune into ITV4 late afternoons any weekday. There they will find the answer staring them in the face — Dennis Waterman starring in The Sweeney or Minder. I stopped watching Doctor Who not long after Jodie Whittaker took over, I just couldn't take to her in the role. Not only Whittaker. The woke story lines as well. I believe the ratings have hit rock bottom.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2022 16:00:11 GMT 1
His 2nd wife has reported that Dennis died from lung cancer after a 2 year battle.
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Post by venceremos on May 11, 2022 16:08:04 GMT 1
I stopped watching Doctor Who not long after Jodie Whittaker took over, I just couldn't take to her in the role. Not only Whittaker. The woke story lines as well. I believe the ratings have hit rock bottom. You do understand that men of a certain age aren't the target audience? Do you still watch Blue Peter?
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2022 17:04:47 GMT 1
Not only Whittaker. The woke story lines as well. I believe the ratings have hit rock bottom. You do understand that men of a certain age aren't the target audience? Do you still watch Blue Peter? i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come.
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Post by ssshrew on May 11, 2022 18:14:15 GMT 1
Yes we have a friend who attends Who conventions and has not been impressed with Jodie Whitaker at all.
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Post by venceremos on May 12, 2022 13:05:46 GMT 1
You do understand that men of a certain age aren't the target audience? Do you still watch Blue Peter? i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come. What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice.
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Post by northwestman on May 12, 2022 13:25:24 GMT 1
i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come. What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. “Too PC” has become a familiar jibe levelled at the sci-fi hit since 2018 when Jodie Whittaker became the Thirteenth Doctor and new showrunner Chris Chibnall took up the mantle. As well as the first woman to play the title role, their first series featured two BAME companions and episodes about Rosa Parks and the partition of India, written by Doctor Who’s first ever BAME writers. The Guardian.
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Post by block12massive on May 12, 2022 14:07:32 GMT 1
i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come. What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. Had a half an interest in Dr Who when it 'rebooted' with Eccleston, who I thought was brilliant in the role. My enthusiasm for it didn't last too long after that. I think it's more the inevitability now that whoever takes on a historic role of a straight white, male character is nowadays unlikely to be a straight white, male. Although I concede that it's likely our own image of what (or who) Dr Who is has been formed by the actors who have played the role as opposed to the character having previously existed as a literary or comic depiction, in the same way the Ian Fleming books did with Bond. I have no idea who the new actor is or what his credentials are, though that's no surprise as I haven't really 'followed' what's on TV for a good number of years, but since the BBC has become a parody of itself in terms of it's tick box casting routine (the post-Clarkson era Top Gear was a fine example of this) they make it incredibly easy for people to just write it off as more 'wokeism'. And that's detrimental to any black or ethnic minority person who thrives in their respective career field but is perceived to have gotten a 'leg up' because of their skin colour.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 12, 2022 14:34:17 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10798921/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Winchester-Club-wake-bid-farewell-Dennis-Waterman.htmlThe BBC is currently planning to spend £50 million finding out what most licence-payers like to watch. I can save them the time and money. Not the new Dr Who, for a start. Heaven knows what Dennis would have made of the latest ludicrous successor to William Hartnell and Tom Baker. Words fail even me. Instead of chasing woke millennials who watch everything on their phone and don't pay the licence fee anyway, the BBC bigwigs should tune into ITV4 late afternoons any weekday. There they will find the answer staring them in the face — Dennis Waterman starring in The Sweeney or Minder. Richard Littlejohn's argument is flawless, aside from the fact that it's gonna be difficult to cast Dennis Waterman in anything on account of him sadly dying at the weekend. Would be interested to see some comparison between the woke BBC1 vs ITV4, also.
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Post by davycrockett on May 12, 2022 14:38:38 GMT 1
What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. “Too PC” has become a familiar jibe levelled at the sci-fi hit since 2018 when Jodie Whittaker became the Thirteenth Doctor and new showrunner Chris Chibnall took up the mantle. As well as the first woman to play the title role, their first series featured two BAME companions and episodes about Rosa Parks and the partition of India, written by Doctor Who’s first ever BAME writers. The Guardian. Stop reading the guardian then…. Ive always watched it since the first episode ( from behind the settee then) and enjoyed some Dr Who’s more than others but Jodi Whitaker’s nowhere near the worst for me…. I didn’t like Tom Baker Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy but personally would put Jodi Whitaker in the top 5….. Hadn’t even notice what you (or The Guardian) call Bame companions as most TV programmes now represent more of a cross section of society not just Dr Who. As for the next Dr I can only guess that he / she isn’t white that’s shocking the woke / anti woke brigade (it seems woke means the opposite of woke which confuses me) ….. Wonder what will follow next? A disabled Doctor 😱
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Post by venceremos on May 12, 2022 14:41:53 GMT 1
What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. Had a half an interest in Dr Who when it 'rebooted' with Eccleston, who I thought was brilliant in the role. My enthusiasm for it didn't last too long after that. I think it's more the inevitability now that whoever takes on a historic role of a straight white, male character is nowadays unlikely to be a straight white, male. Although I concede that it's likely our own image of what (or who) Dr Who is has been formed by the actors who have played the role as opposed to the character having previously existed as a literary or comic depiction, in the same way the Ian Fleming books did with Bond. I have no idea who the new actor is or what his credentials are, though that's no surprise as I haven't really 'followed' what's on TV for a good number of years, but since the BBC has become a parody of itself in terms of it's tick box casting routine (the post-Clarkson era Top Gear was a fine example of this) they make it incredibly easy for people to just write it off as more 'wokeism'. And that's detrimental to any black or ethnic minority person who thrives in their respective career field but is perceived to have gotten a 'leg up' because of their skin colour. So what would your answer to that be? If content producers (worth remembering it's not necessarily a BBC produced programme, even if the BBC screen it) don't cast black, Asian, gay or whatever actors then the historic imbalance is just perpetuated. Some people forget (or choose to ignore) this is not diversity for its own sake, it's a reflection of modern British society. There are still endless straight, white lead roles on British TV. How many black lead roles are there? Or Asian? Or gay? I'm not saying we should have defined percentages or anything so rigid, just that the outcry from that minority who cry "woke" at the first sign of change, is generally unfair, sometimes laughable (as in the Dr Who case) and should be ignored. They don't want to compromise and neither should the sensible majority.
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Post by venceremos on May 12, 2022 14:58:56 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10798921/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Winchester-Club-wake-bid-farewell-Dennis-Waterman.htmlThe BBC is currently planning to spend £50 million finding out what most licence-payers like to watch. I can save them the time and money. Not the new Dr Who, for a start. Heaven knows what Dennis would have made of the latest ludicrous successor to William Hartnell and Tom Baker. Words fail even me. Instead of chasing woke millennials who watch everything on their phone and don't pay the licence fee anyway, the BBC bigwigs should tune into ITV4 late afternoons any weekday. There they will find the answer staring them in the face — Dennis Waterman starring in The Sweeney or Minder. Richard Littlejohn's argument is flawless, aside from the fact that it's gonna be difficult to cast Dennis Waterman in anything on account of him sadly dying at the weekend. Would be interested to see some comparison between the woke BBC1 vs ITV4, also. The piece is ok (unusually for Littlejohn) until he has a pointless dig at the new Dr Who and the BBC generally. You tell me why the casting is ridiculous. When we sign a player and someone says they're underwhelmed or whatever, most on here will say give the lad a chance. Yet apparently it's fine to say this lad isn't fit to be Dr Who (I repeat - a triple hearted, regenerating alien FFS), when I bet few - if any - of us have ever seen the guy act in anything else and nobody knows what the scripts will be like or how the character will be developed. If nothing else, it's insulting to his professional skills. But what's the comparison you want to see in this BBC1 v ITV4 face off? They're different things for different audiences. BBC1 is the mainstream, trying to appeal to a wide cross section. ITV4 is essentially a nostalgia channel. There may be some good old dramas on there but that's the point, they're old. I doubt there are many under the age of 40 who've ever watched an episode of Minder or The Sweeney, or have any wish to see one.
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Post by block12massive on May 12, 2022 15:14:09 GMT 1
Had a half an interest in Dr Who when it 'rebooted' with Eccleston, who I thought was brilliant in the role. My enthusiasm for it didn't last too long after that. I think it's more the inevitability now that whoever takes on a historic role of a straight white, male character is nowadays unlikely to be a straight white, male. Although I concede that it's likely our own image of what (or who) Dr Who is has been formed by the actors who have played the role as opposed to the character having previously existed as a literary or comic depiction, in the same way the Ian Fleming books did with Bond. I have no idea who the new actor is or what his credentials are, though that's no surprise as I haven't really 'followed' what's on TV for a good number of years, but since the BBC has become a parody of itself in terms of it's tick box casting routine (the post-Clarkson era Top Gear was a fine example of this) they make it incredibly easy for people to just write it off as more 'wokeism'. And that's detrimental to any black or ethnic minority person who thrives in their respective career field but is perceived to have gotten a 'leg up' because of their skin colour. So what would your answer to that be? If content producers (worth remembering it's not necessarily a BBC produced programme, even if the BBC screen it) don't cast black, Asian, gay or whatever actors then the historic imbalance is just perpetuated. Some people forget (or choose to ignore) this is not diversity for its own sake, it's a reflection of modern British society.
There are still endless straight, white lead roles on British TV. How many black lead roles are there? Or Asian? Or gay? I'm not saying we should have defined percentages or anything so rigid, just that the outcry from that minority who cry "woke" at the first sign of change, is generally unfair, sometimes laughable (as in the Dr Who case) and should be ignored. They don't want to compromise and neither should the sensible majority. That's a fair point. Unfortunately we've become so obsessed with skin colour in recent years - the complete opposite to what we thought we had achieved post-civil rights era - that the individual's pursuit for success in their chosen career will undoubtedly be subject to their race, religion, gender, sexuality. My answer would be fair representation and equal opportunities for all but for whatever reason this seems to be the less desirable option in practice. To answer your question about minority lead roles, almost certainly these groups are vastly over-represented on television. Should people feel threatened by that? Probably not. There are enough areas in our society where minority groups are significantly under-represented; Parliament, in boardrooms, sport management roles - but I think it's a fair and legitimate observation that rather than trying to reverse historical imbalances where they've existed, there is an endless pursuit of 'over-correction' in an age where most of the inequalities and barriers that were previously in place have long been dismantled.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 12, 2022 15:55:37 GMT 1
People should be recruited purely based on their ability not on their colour, age, gender, sexuality etc etc, simple as. The issue of putting people in positions based on anything less than their ability and qualifications is wrong for them essentially, and ticking boxes does not always lead to a successful outcome, in my opinion.
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Post by martinshrew on May 12, 2022 16:55:14 GMT 1
People should be recruited purely based on their ability not on their colour, age, gender, sexuality etc etc, simple as. The issue of putting people in positions based on anything less than their ability and qualifications is wrong for them essentially, and ticking boxes does not always lead to a successful outcome, in my opinion. Always said this myself. If I ran a business I wouldn't care a s**t if all 10 boards members were white, all 10 board members were women or if all 10 board members were Japanese. I'd start to care if all 10 board members weren't the best available people for the job.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:59:38 GMT 1
i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come. What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. My sentiments exactly. I got back into Doctor Who following the 2005 reboot, firstly under Eccleston and then Tennant. Matt Smith's take on the role however was not to my liking and so I stopped watching until Peter Capaldi took over. Personal taste of course but I really liked Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor, he's up there as one of my all time favourites. I particularly liked his interaction with his travelling companion Bill Potts. Like Matt Smith, Jodie Whittaker's take on the Doctor was just not my cup of tea, as simple as that.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 12, 2022 17:17:31 GMT 1
i get your point ; but iv always enjoyed and watched DR Who through all the actors who have played the part and the woke story lines are irritating and often not very good, my daughter is very excited about the new DRWho and plans to watch it after not watching it for some time. iv been to comcon Dr Who conventions and what is nice is the age range of people who come. What's a "woke story line"? I watched Dr Who as a kid (and stayed on as a teenager, largely because of Louise Jameson ...), then I watched the reboot because my kids were into it. But from Matt Smith onwards they began to lose interest and so did I. I thought the big production budget actually killed its originality and imaginative power - too much CGI, too many repetitive end-of-the-universe type storylines and too much playing for laughs by the Doctor. Occasionally there were some good exceptions, like the weeping angels, but not enough for me. I'm fine with a woman being the doctor but I've only seen it a couple of times with Jodie Whittaker and don't like it - again, too jokey and not enough tension for me, nothing to do with gender. It needs to be darker in tone, scare the kids more! I do find the hostility to the new guy really objectionable though. Nobody's even seen him in the role yet! If someone objects to a black man, a gay man, a Scotsman or, as in this case, a combination of all three, playing the part of a triple-hearted, regenerating alien (they have to be straight white male actors - really!?) I think that says something questionable about them, not the producers' choice. im not hostile to the new guy , im not against female DR who's either or the gender or nationality, i wont to see good scfie storys and to be a bit scared like weeping angels! i just thought the storylines were very poor and it would not matter who was Dr Who it would have been poor but the numbers nose dived what i mean by woke is being bombarded by preachy, serious messages instead of sci-fi entertainment.which was a feature of a number of Jodie Whittaker early episodes.(which is not her fault but the writers, directors and producers) i was not the only fan who stoped watching it, i used to be on a DR who forum and it is was not her gender that turned fans away but the poor story lines and the sermons . i will be tuning into the new DR Who and i wish him all the very best, i hope that clarifys my erlier post www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7666311/doctor-who-ratings-fall-pc-plots/ The first female Time Lord's debut last month attracted an average audience of 8.2million but that plunged to 6.1million on Sunday.
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