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Post by berttheblue on Aug 8, 2022 22:50:56 GMT 1
Wilson/ Compton offered awful deals (6months). Lloyd told to find another club despite Longwell originally signing him on 2yr scholarship and 1 yr pro! Steve Cotterill is an awful appointment for the club! Craig, Barlow, Caton, Bevan treated awful, sitting on a bench and not playing football. No pathway for youth players and whilst he is at club, the top young talent will not go anywhere near Salop ! FACT Better off at Wrexham or Hereford
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 8, 2022 23:57:30 GMT 1
I think that S.C is really only interested in the finished product,rather than developing players. It's all about the here and now, rather than future development. Like most managers it's all about current results hence why most don't last too long
Personally I wouldn't let him anywhere near a young player until the lad had been fully proven and had spent time out on loan in L2 or the Conference and someone else,Longwell?, had signed him to a two year contract. I alluded as such earlier in this thread.Lower league managers should be like their Premier/Championship counterparts,responsible for only the first team.
We have 13 full time and 27 part time employees within our academy.What's that costing ? half a million upwards in wages maybe?. What's it achieving? Very little because of,quite possibly,allowing a short term, but senior individual make decisions on the futures of young professionals that he knows little about nor cares for their future
PS I don't think that Wrexham or Hereford is the best solution !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 6:32:09 GMT 1
It would be interesting to hear from Cotterill about his view on the players development. He's been full of praise for Bloxham but apart from that he's said very little about the youngsters coming through, despite many getting contracts and recently filling the bench.
But what I would say is its not an easy decision to play these youngsters, particularly when you are struggling. Would you drop Udoh or Bowman to play Lloyd or Caton? Would you give Wilson games when we have 3 good pro's at the back.
Interestingly I've been told that Telford have been offered a few players on loan, including Caton and they said no. So perhaps they are nowhere near ready to play L1 football.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 9, 2022 9:27:55 GMT 1
I think we will struggle to develop young players from the academy as we have no reserve/u21 team for them to play regular football in. Best they can hope for is couple games in the pizza trophy and sitting on the bench on a Saturday. Wouldn't surprise me if this was partly behind the 2 lads move to Sunderland
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 9, 2022 9:46:46 GMT 1
Cotterill isn't a "lettuce throw them in and see what they can do" type of manager. I wouldn't like to be a kid trying to make my way in the game under him.
Still, maybe he's right and I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 10:29:35 GMT 1
I think that S.C is really only interested in the finished product,rather than developing players. It's all about the here and now, rather than future development. Like most managers it's all about current results hence why most don't last too long Personally I wouldn't let him anywhere near a young player until the lad had been fully proven and had spent time out on loan in L2 or the Conference and someone else,Longwell?, had signed him to a two year contract. I alluded as such earlier in this thread.Lower league managers should be like their Premier/Championship counterparts,responsible for only the first team. We have 13 full time and 27 part time employees within our academy.What's that costing ? half a million upwards in wages maybe?. What's it achieving? Very little because of,quite possibly,allowing a short term, but senior individual make decisions on the futures of young professionals that he knows little about nor cares for their future PS I don't think that Wrexham or Hereford is the best solution ! and we've just taken on a new member of staff. www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2022/august/new-member-of-staff-joins-our-academy/It's a fair point to question the role of the academy given the investment vs the end product.
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Post by lynch on Aug 9, 2022 10:31:58 GMT 1
With Caton & Bloxham as young pros do you take a third (Lloyd) who’ll mostly sit on bench? Probably “best” for his development moving on and getting trials at Huddersfield & Wednesday suggests he’s got a promising future. Good luck to him. Next summer there are a few forwards reaching end of contract and a couple who don’t play regular so space in squad to speculate on next upcoming prospect like Kirby-Moore? Similar story with the other positions and players let go. You could keep and loan out for a few years but sounds like budget is being spent on quality versatile players who can keep the side competitive against some very good sides in L1.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 9, 2022 13:45:08 GMT 1
I notice that Wrexham have entered a reserve team into the Central League.
Older posters will remember the CL as the league that the top Midlands and Northern teams had their reserve teams in.The PL teams now have their own PL Reserve/U23 league.
As a result the CL now has only 7 clubs,incl Wrexham,in it therefore if we joined that would yield 14 matches. Surely that would benefit our young pros,plus those on the way back from injury and a few YTS lads?
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Post by FloreatShrew on Aug 9, 2022 13:47:59 GMT 1
I think that S.C is really only interested in the finished product,rather than developing players. It's all about the here and now, rather than future development. Like most managers it's all about current results hence why most don't last too long Personally I wouldn't let him anywhere near a young player until the lad had been fully proven and had spent time out on loan in L2 or the Conference and someone else,Longwell?, had signed him to a two year contract. I alluded as such earlier in this thread.Lower league managers should be like their Premier/Championship counterparts,responsible for only the first team. We have 13 full time and 27 part time employees within our academy.What's that costing ? half a million upwards in wages maybe?. What's it achieving? Very little because of,quite possibly,allowing a short term, but senior individual make decisions on the futures of young professionals that he knows little about nor cares for their future PS I don't think that Wrexham or Hereford is the best solution ! Explain Udoh then?
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 9, 2022 14:33:23 GMT 1
I remember a young Carl Griffiths being given his chance in what is now The Championship. He took it with goals ar Maine Road and Elland Road, signalling to the Manager, “do I keep my place?” He was ready. Would Tom Bloxham or Charlie Caron make my starting eleven? No chance at present but maybe somewhere down the line. Tom has scored two goals to date, the same as the much vilified Sam Cosgrove.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 9, 2022 14:33:47 GMT 1
I think that S.C is really only interested in the finished product,rather than developing players. It's all about the here and now, rather than future development. Like most managers it's all about current results hence why most don't last too long Personally I wouldn't let him anywhere near a young player until the lad had been fully proven and had spent time out on loan in L2 or the Conference and someone else,Longwell?, had signed him to a two year contract. I alluded as such earlier in this thread.Lower league managers should be like their Premier/Championship counterparts,responsible for only the first team. We have 13 full time and 27 part time employees within our academy.What's that costing ? half a million upwards in wages maybe?. What's it achieving? Very little because of,quite possibly,allowing a short term, but senior individual make decisions on the futures of young professionals that he knows little about nor cares for their future PS I don't think that Wrexham or Hereford is the best solution ! Explain Udoh then? AFC Telford !
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Post by FloreatShrew on Aug 9, 2022 14:41:30 GMT 1
Given we were all calling him rubbish and not league one standard and would have released him before last season, I don't think we can credit Telford with making him a success...
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 9, 2022 15:00:12 GMT 1
Given we were all calling him rubbish and not league one standard and would have released him before last season, I don't think we can credit Telford with making him a success... He was already with us when SC arrived,and he saw something that we as supporters didn't,or couldn't see as we're not involved with training. Having said that,it's what a managers job is, to improve players You seem to think I'm bashing SC,when in fact I'm actually saying that we have a large and expensive academy structure which isn't being utilised properly because the first team manager has different priorities,IE he has to get results otherwise he loses his job Therefore, and only IMO,he should not be involved in the decision making processOur recent record with our youngsters is pretty poor, as highlighted by the lads going to Sunderland and been given 2/3 year contracts and the lad going to Wednesday. We aren't being fair to the players, nor our hard working academy staff
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 9, 2022 15:11:23 GMT 1
I remember a young Carl Griffiths being given his chance in what is now The Championship. He took it with goals ar Maine Road and Elland Road, signalling to the Manager, “do I keep my place?” He was ready. Would Tom Bloxham or Charlie Caron make my starting eleven? No chance at present but maybe somewhere down the line. Tom has scored two goals to date, the same as the much vilified Sam Cosgrove. Yep, it was the same with,amongst several, Luke Rodgers and to a degree with John McGinley, who came from Elgin City who were at the time a Highland League side. They were all ready and hit the ground running but the game has changed and with us it's all about staying at this level,above anything else Therefore SC signs experienced, quality, professional players and our youngsters get little chance to play and improve
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 9, 2022 16:31:37 GMT 1
Are any of the youths good enough? Bloxham is the most talked about, and he's quite a way off League One standard.
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Post by lynch on Aug 9, 2022 17:20:15 GMT 1
They sit on bench so must be options the manager is prepared to use / better than other players he could bring in to make up numbers? I’ve only seen Bloxham play L1 (for a meaningful number of mins) on iFollow. Seemed to me that his discipline cost him in managers plans last season but would otherwise be a starter/someone considered to be an impact sub?
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 9, 2022 18:12:41 GMT 1
Bloxham needs a lot of work on him, what I've seen of him, but give him a game tonight and see what he's made of👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:12:08 GMT 1
I saw on the journalist Alan Nixon's twitter that Fleetwood have allegedly made a bid for Cole Stockton and there was a response from a Ipswich fan saying that we were also in for him. Now clearly a random Ipswich fan on twitter isn't a great source but its about as reliable as most rumours so I thought I'd share it.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 11, 2022 9:49:12 GMT 1
Stockton will go somewhere for sure. The Morecambe manager was asked if there was any movement in regards to Stockton and he just batted away the question. He's had a golden spell for Morecambe, but has been a bit less prolific before that. I would be nervous about splashing an undisclosed fee for him. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=63703
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Post by northwestman on Aug 11, 2022 9:55:17 GMT 1
Stockton will go somewhere for sure. The Morecambe manager was asked if there was any movement in regards to Stockton and he just batted away the question. He's had a golden spell for Morecambe, but has been a bit less prolific before that. I would be nervous about splashing an undisclosed fee for him. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=63703Sounds like a Mullin type signing for Wrexham. One good season at a League 1/2 Club. Perhaps they'll be in the market.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 11, 2022 10:33:57 GMT 1
Surprised Stockton is still there. Highly expect he will go before the window closes, although he and Morecambe havent started too well. However his fee may not be rising - no goals yet this season and he won't be renewing come the end of the year.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Aug 11, 2022 12:22:12 GMT 1
Apparently it's happening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 12:29:07 GMT 1
Apparently it's happening. Going to Ipswich you mean....
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 11, 2022 12:29:08 GMT 1
What is?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 12:36:12 GMT 1
Apparently it's happening. Going to Ipswich you mean.... or Fleetwood? (rumoured on their forum)
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 11, 2022 12:55:40 GMT 1
Stockton will go somewhere for sure. The Morecambe manager was asked if there was any movement in regards to Stockton and he just batted away the question. He's had a golden spell for Morecambe, but has been a bit less prolific before that. I would be nervous about splashing an undisclosed fee for him. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=63703Sounds like a Mullin type signing for Wrexham. One good season at a League 1/2 Club. Perhaps they'll be in the market. The number of good forwards that Tranmere have had,and released,is always a source of banter between my two Tranmere supporting brothers and myself. Stockton was released twice by Rovers.Mullin was loaned to Cambridge and then released as he couldn't get a L1 game in front of basically two pensioners, the now retired David Nugent and James Vaughan. Which perhaps helps people understand why he chose Wrexham,other than the silly money and the easy daily drive from The Wirral,he is fully aware that he is a L2 player Rovers also couldn't hold on to James Norwood (out of contract) and released his striking partner Andy Cooke,not our former striker the one at Bradford City atm TBF if any of them had come our way we would have turned them into non-goalscoring forwards in next to no time
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Post by northwestman on Aug 11, 2022 12:56:10 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 11, 2022 12:59:48 GMT 1
Aren't these charges also related to money laundering?..ala Steven Vaughan and Chester back in the day???. If so then that's where the money may be coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 13:01:38 GMT 1
They are said to have banked £1million from the sale of James Hill to Bournemouth in the January window.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 11, 2022 13:13:22 GMT 1
They're paying Vela £4,000 a week. He's their highest earner, they normally don't go much over £2,00 a week.
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