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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2022 22:40:12 GMT 1
hope not but worrying
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 28, 2022 22:48:38 GMT 1
What’s the poll, are we predicting what will happen?
Putin clearly using nuclear as a threat but no sane person would push the button so it all depends on how unhinged he is and how far his game of brinkmanship with the West will go. I suspect the Uk would be a strong potential target for Putin if he were to go nucleur.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2022 22:56:29 GMT 1
What’s the poll, are we predicting what will happen? Putin clearly using nuclear as a threat but no sane person would push the button so it all depends on how unhinged he is and how far his game of brinkmanship with the West will go. I suspect the Uk would be a strong potential target for Putin if he were to go nucleur. no sane person would invade Ukraine
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 28, 2022 23:01:33 GMT 1
We certainly don’t need another Project Fear, this time on being nuked, and the reality is those conversations will be in the strictest confidence for national security so even the media and political commentators etc are purely speculating. There won’t be leaked private media briefings like with Covid.
I just hope if we do get nuked it’s an instant death job for me rather than having to live through the consequences.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Mar 1, 2022 2:41:26 GMT 1
Nuclear. Anagram of unclear! 🤔
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Post by northwestman on Mar 1, 2022 16:59:36 GMT 1
Global Nuclear Arsenals.
Russia 6,257 USA 5,550 China 350 France 290 UK 225 Pakistan 164 India 156 Israel 90 North Korea 50
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2022 17:54:32 GMT 1
What’s the poll, are we predicting what will happen? Putin clearly using nuclear as a threat but no sane person would push the button so it all depends on how unhinged he is and how far his game of brinkmanship with the West will go. I suspect the Uk would be a strong potential target for Putin if he were to go nucleur. Is it possible, in reality, for one person on either side to initiate a nuclear attack?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2022 17:56:02 GMT 1
Global Nuclear Arsenals. Russia 6,257 USA 5,550 China 350 France 290 UK 225 Pakistan 164 India 156 Israel 90 North Korea 50 Yeah, I don't think we'll need all of them ..... It could be a wonderful world some years later, but not for humans.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 1, 2022 17:57:48 GMT 1
Global Nuclear Arsenals. Russia 6,257 USA 5,550 China 350 France 290 UK 225 Pakistan 164 India 156 Israel 90 North Korea 50 Yeah, I don't think we'll need all of them ..... It could be a wonderful world some years later, but not for humans. Might get us to net zero well before 2050.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2022 18:07:15 GMT 1
Yeah, I don't think we'll need all of them ..... It could be a wonderful world some years later, but not for humans. Might get us to net zero well before 2050. Probably our best chance to do it!
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2022 21:26:23 GMT 1
What’s the poll, are we predicting what will happen? Putin clearly using nuclear as a threat but no sane person would push the button so it all depends on how unhinged he is and how far his game of brinkmanship with the West will go. I suspect the Uk would be a strong potential target for Putin if he were to go nucleur. Is it possible, in reality, for one person on either side to initiate a nuclear attack? They say not, if Putin says yes, a military commander has to also confirm. But they have to stand up to Putin, of course.
If Trump had wanted to I assume his nurse would have been able to vetoe it and sedate him.........
As for achieving net zero, limited gas supplies and high oil prices will help make alternatives become an even bigger priority.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 2, 2022 11:53:57 GMT 1
"Turkey has delivered additional Bayraktar TB2 strike drones to Kiev, Ukrainian Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov claimed on Wednesday in an emotional Facebook post. The Turkish government did not immediately comment on the statement.
“New Bayraktars have already been delivered and deployed for combat. There will be more Stingers and Javelins,” the minister said, referring to Turkish-made Baykar Bayraktar TB2 drones and US-made man-portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapon systems. He said the provision of foreign military aid to Kiev was being ramped up.
“Europe is becoming our rear and provides what we need critically for defense. We are at the forefront of the free world,” he added".
That 40 mile Russian military convoy is only moving slowly, I wonder how much in the way of food rations those conscripts have left?
China remaining "nuetral", but have they seen that actions like this can turn you into a pariah state. Do they have a role to play in a peace settlement?
Those within Putin's circle, will they get fed up of not getting all the Western benefits they are used to and being scared of him?
Maybe, somehow, he has so badly misjudged things he has started his own demise? We can but hope so.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 2, 2022 20:13:53 GMT 1
From a purely military perspective, I have to say that the slow progress of that infamous 40-mile long Russian convoy mystified me, unless it really is due to logistical problems such as fuel and food shortages; if that is the case, it is possible to infer that, for all its strengths, in terms of avaliable manpower and modern materiel, the Russian war machine is not quite as potent as we fear; moreover, and on a similar theme, the Russian airforce does not appear to have brought to bear to the extent necessary to cover the advance on the ground, which is strange to say the least. Command and control seems to be as much of a failing today, as much it was thought to be of the Soviet armed forces 40+ years ago - the Achilles heal of a conscript military, and I wonder how many Russian generals will be " disappeared" fairly soon, leading to ever greater isolation of Mr Putin. Quite where that assessment leaves us, I have no idea though.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2022 12:22:29 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2022 14:52:58 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2022 19:04:37 GMT 1
why are we allowing the Chelsea boss to do what he’s doing
Take the club off him right now
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2022 19:20:46 GMT 1
why are we allowing the Chelsea boss to do what he’s doing Take the club off him right now Because we are a (fairly) law abiding country. He's also said the net proceeds will go to help Ukraine rebuild. Though, I suppose a precedent has been set - A yacht owned by Igor Sechin, boss of Russian state energy company Rosneft, was grabbed by French customs officers near Marseille.
German authorities seized a $600m vessel owned by Russian metal tycoon Alisher Usmanov according to reports.
If you want him out quick, then the Premier Leaque maybe ought to Sanction Chelsea until control is handed over to an independent administrator-as if they had gone bust?
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Post by champagneprince on Mar 3, 2022 19:54:04 GMT 1
This whole invasion is mystifying me really.
For starters this is Russia, one of the three biggest superpowers on the planet and yet they seem to be making a complete hash of invading a country from a similar climate and right on their doorstep. How the hell can a 40 mile convoy stop still?
It is almost like they aren't putting their heart or soul into it, either that's a decision they're making on the ground, or it's the generals, or it's Putin himself.
- They could parachute wave after wave of paratroopers into Kiev - No doubt they have special forces far superior in numbers to say the SAS in the UK. - They could bombard the city 24 hours with bombs, missiles and tanks - They could use very sophisticated weaponry of all manner of descriptions, legal or illegal - The Russian air force should have equipment and technology capable of identifying and destroying any target they wish
And yet they are being kept at bay by untrained locals armed with Molotov Cocktails, with little or no military discipline.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2022 20:46:39 GMT 1
This whole invasion is mystifying me really. For starters this is Russia, one of the three biggest superpowers on the planet and yet they seem to be making a complete hash of invading a country from a similar climate and right on their doorstep. How the hell can a 40 mile convoy stop still? It is almost like they aren't putting their heart or soul into it, either that's a decision they're making on the ground, or it's the generals, or it's Putin himself. - They could parachute wave after wave of paratroopers into Kiev - No doubt they have special forces far superior in numbers to say the SAS in the UK. - They could bombard the city 24 hours with bombs, missiles and tanks - They could use very sophisticated weaponry of all manner of descriptions, legal or illegal - The Russian air force should have equipment and technology capable of identifying and destroying any target they wish And yet they are being kept at bay by untrained locals armed with Molotov Cocktails, with little or no military discipline. What concerns me is there is no way out for Putin, unless he talks, sensibly, in peace talks or he's bumped off. Otherwise, it looks like a long and costly conflict. With injured conscripts returning to tell their families what is really going on. If he ends up with unrest at home, has he still got the forces to keep his own population down?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2022 21:58:34 GMT 1
why are we allowing the Chelsea boss to do what he’s doing Take the club off him right now Because we are a (fairly) law abiding country. He's also said the net proceeds will go to help Ukraine rebuild. Though, I suppose a precedent has been set - A yacht owned by Igor Sechin, boss of Russian state energy company Rosneft, was grabbed by French customs officers near Marseille.
German authorities seized a $600m vessel owned by Russian metal tycoon Alisher Usmanov according to reports.
If you want him out quick, then the Premier Leaque maybe ought to Sanction Chelsea until control is handed over to an independent administrator-as if they had gone bust?
have we not already seized other Russian assets ? ( I thought we had but it maybe have been other countries that have) as far as roman goes, he has not condemned Putin and his messages have been very vague the profits will go to help the 'war victims' he didnt say if they would be Russian or Ukrainian I liked the bloke, but he's dodgy and may be pulling the wool over our eyes
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 5, 2022 15:58:50 GMT 1
from the mail
"Footage from inside the control room of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine shows an announcer begging Russian soldiers to stop shooting at the plant 'Stop shooting at a nuclear dangerous facility. Stop shooting immediately! You threaten the security of the whole world!' the announcer can be heard saying"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 6, 2022 12:47:09 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2022 14:12:22 GMT 1
whilst it was clear that Russia and China were moving to closer ties , the impact of sanctions has just speeded it up,in there corner you also have Iran and North Korea. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10585285/Global-banking-faces-split-Russians-turn-Chinese.html"Russians turn to Chinese banking system as Visa and Mastercard pull out of Russia along with Netflix and TikTok in Great ancellation of Putin Lenders including Sberbank and Alfa Bank plan to move to China's UnionPay"
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 7, 2022 15:59:59 GMT 1
whilst it was clear that Russia and China were moving to closer ties , the impact of sanctions has just speeded it up,in there corner you also have Iran and North Korea. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10585285/Global-banking-faces-split-Russians-turn-Chinese.html"Russians turn to Chinese banking system as Visa and Mastercard pull out of Russia along with Netflix and TikTok in Great ancellation of Putin Lenders including Sberbank and Alfa Bank plan to move to China's UnionPay" **** them all off and move to depending on them for nothing ASAP.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 7, 2022 18:07:12 GMT 1
whilst it was clear that Russia and China were moving to closer ties , the impact of sanctions has just speeded it up,in there corner you also have Iran and North Korea. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10585285/Global-banking-faces-split-Russians-turn-Chinese.html"Russians turn to Chinese banking system as Visa and Mastercard pull out of Russia along with Netflix and TikTok in Great ancellation of Putin Lenders including Sberbank and Alfa Bank plan to move to China's UnionPay" **** them all off and move to depending on them for nothing ASAP. Every chance that China will demand its "pound of flesh" from Russia for use of its facilities - and many countries know full well that that doesn't always end happily for the lender....
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 7, 2022 21:03:48 GMT 1
.....or the borrower.
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Post by champagneprince on Mar 9, 2022 18:39:31 GMT 1
The World has changed. I can't see any way that the next 10-20 years won't be a more hostile place because of Putin. Russia will surely become much more insular, perhaps only with economic ties to China and Pakistan , who may reap the benefits of super cheap oil deals, to their shame. The sanctions will go deeper, but the response will affect the West massively, especially those countries reliant on Russian oil. Cold Winters to come for many households.
If someone close to him doesn't put a bullet in his head (best option), then he will surely become even more crazed as the years roll on. Not wanting to lose face, not wanting to appear weak, not wanting to admit failure, will surely have their toll on his already unstable mental wellbeing. The pressure will be enormous.
That of course isn't a good thing for us either. Personally I'm a little concerned as to what Putin's exit strategy might be, if he wants to cut his losses but take revenge on the West as a last throw of the dice. Chernobyl, with it's nuclear waste and the nuclear power station he are all under his control. With a crazed mind, would he be mad enough to provide the World with the most evil 'parting shot' of all time?
Hitler would have. On recent evidence, Putin is not that much different to Hitler.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2022 20:29:17 GMT 1
the uk visa center in lille is supposed to open tommorrow , if that happens it has taken them 14 days to get this sorted ,
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2022 22:26:37 GMT 1
www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/world/europe/ukraine-moldova-russia-invasion.html"Moldova has taken in more Ukrainians, per capita, than any other country. But the closer Russian troops get to Moldova, the more locals consider their own escape plans."Russia has said nothing about invading Moldova, and Belarus, its close ally, has retracted a map, shown in a briefing last week by the Belarusian president, that was marked with arrows suggesting a planned Russian advance into Moldova."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2022 15:29:16 GMT 1
prior to Russia invading the UKraine the EU and the US looked to be having some tensions so the war seemsto have brought Europe and the US back together, with a united aproach on sanctions, everyone is horrified by the war crimes that russia is commiting , Russia is loking increasingly isolated with even china been rather silent, with all the horrors that the Ukraining citizens are enduring it might focus peoples attention on chinas genocide against the Uyghurs.
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