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Post by wakemanender on Feb 23, 2022 11:24:40 GMT 1
We have a very experienced manager who thought we were excellent last night and Josh Vela was just too keen to impress. Why should we be worried. SC obviously has everything under control. Dont expect anything to change including the manager. Division 2 and a visit to Wrexham is calling.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 23, 2022 11:56:56 GMT 1
we are now possibly back at just 1 midfielder for a while which is only one mans fault I agree, to make that tackle at that point was stupid. His midfielder one side Davis was off injured and midfielder the other side Leahy could've been injured badly. Stupid from Vela.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 23, 2022 11:57:32 GMT 1
I'd say a big difference was there was quality in those teams but the ill discipline let them down, I don't see a lot of quality in this team, certainly not in an attacking sense. I've mentioned many times that Cotterill reminds me of Peters and they both strike me as the the type who like to see players getting 'stuck in', on the In the Stiffs podcast they've mentioned things about Peters loving to see players fighting and I suspect its the same here. Peter’s had his faults but was a gentleman. Cotterills not! I think you've had a knock to the head or a memory lapse, Peters was a .
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2022 12:30:51 GMT 1
We are awful. Luckily for us, there are some teams in League Juan who are dreadful. AFC Wimbledon have no win in their last 14 games. Perhaps we should be looking at them rather than Morecambe to fill the last relegation place and join Gillingham, Doncaster and Crewe. That said, it will be a close run thing and will depend on other's results, as I can't see us getting anything from our next 2 games v Burton and Rotherham.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 23, 2022 12:33:18 GMT 1
I have only one direct experience with Mr Peters. A friend and I were at a reserves game at Hyde wearing our Town scarves.
GP spotted us on his way to the dugout and climbed up the terrace to have a chat. The actions of a decent man in my eyes.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 23, 2022 12:45:35 GMT 1
Peter’s had his faults but was a gentleman. Cotterills not! I think you've had a knock to the head or a memory lapse, Peters was a . Maybe but he didn’t lose his head and come across like a knob (in my view)
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Post by TOP MONNER on Feb 23, 2022 12:56:14 GMT 1
I know Cotterill is hardly over-the-hill age wise but his attitude and stubbornness to adapt sometimes harks back to a different era when managers could afford to be slightly more oafish and confrontational given their shelf-life at a club was much longer.
I was a big fan of Peters and was sad to see him go at the time although given that the previous few years had seen the reigns of King, Ratcliffe and Quinn, the bar wasn't set particularly high.
I still think Cotterill is the right man for the job but at the moment comparisons with Ricketts time in charge are more accurate than the Peters era or any other Town boss in recent memory.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 23, 2022 13:25:02 GMT 1
we are now possibly back at just 1 midfielder for a while which is only one mans fault I agree, to make that tackle at that point was stupid. His midfielder one side Davis was off injured and midfielder the other side Leahy could've been injured badly. Stupid from Vela. velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 23, 2022 15:12:36 GMT 1
I must be honest, I stopped listening to Cotterill weeks ago.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 23, 2022 15:26:45 GMT 1
I have said all along we have enough to stay up. Our gamble to treat the games with teams around us doesnt seem to be paying off well in hindsight but I was encouraged with the display this evening before the sending off against one of the better teams in the division the most important thing is to keep Leahy in the team, we only seem to score when he is involved. Agree with this, although I wouldn't be so generous towards Portsmouth, who looked pretty ordinary. I have to say I'm more concerned than I was and we've squandered the chance to pull into mid-table through, I believe, excessive caution against other bottom half teams. It didn't look too demanding to get a couple of wins from the many games we've drawn recently and it would look a lot healthier now if we had. As it is, we have 13 games left and 7 of them are against promotion chasers. On current form, I'd expect us to lose against Rotherham (twice!), MK, Oxford, Ipswich and Wigan and, even though Sunderland's recent results are even worse than ours, I wouldn't expect us to get anything there either. That would leave 6 games to muster 16 points (although fewer might be needed this season). Well, I think it was after we beat Sheff Wed I said we 'only' needed a point a game to stay up - we haven't managed even that since then! More hopefully, form and results always turn eventually and, although it's hard not to think we'll lose those 7 games when you take each one individually, I'd still be shocked if we emerged with literally nothing from all 7. Surely there'll be a pleasant surprise or two in there!? That works both ways of course - don't we know it! We can't just expect to win against Morecambe, Doncaster & Lincoln. I'm clinging to the hope that the loss of Davis and Vela for the next few games might make us a bit less cautious because we won't have the solidity those players bring. Fornah replaces Davis naturally enough but Bennett seems to me the best replacement for Vela, which means the defence has to change too. We could just slot Daniels in at RWB (or try Bondswell if he or Nurse can play on the right), but I think having a 4th midfielder might give us a chance of having the extra man we so often lack when in possession. For that, I'd drop Udoh back into an attacking midfield role, with Bowman and either Janneh or Bloxham (who looked to be struggling physically last night) alongside. Not ideal, but we don't have a lot to work with. Burton is a winnable game if our attitude is right. Flanagan looks a good signing, others put in good 90 minute performances. We were the better team for 30 minutes, then imploded. It's done, let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 16:20:08 GMT 1
We are now paying the price for not having replaced Norburn earlier in the season. It absolutely sucks.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 23, 2022 16:42:38 GMT 1
We are now paying the price for not having replaced Norburn earlier in the season. It absolutely sucks. It does but I don't think the Norburn-sized gap is the biggest issue. He wasn't a great creator either and Leahy has replaced his goal contribution. We started the season undercooked and that cost us points. More recently we've been too cautious - great defence, yes, but nowhere near enough goals scored. If there isn't an upturn soon, then we'll be left hoping nobody below us can sustain a run of results either, because 50 points is beginning to look like it might be out of our reach.
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Post by supermac11 on Feb 23, 2022 16:50:42 GMT 1
I agree, to make that tackle at that point was stupid. His midfielder one side Davis was off injured and midfielder the other side Leahy could've been injured badly. Stupid from Vela. velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that Bowman would have been sprinting over from the dugout quicker than he's ever moved on the pitch
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 23, 2022 16:52:17 GMT 1
I agree, to make that tackle at that point was stupid. His midfielder one side Davis was off injured and midfielder the other side Leahy could've been injured badly. Stupid from Vela. velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that Surely every tackle is pre-meditated? Agree Vela was stupid and deserves a fine given the rules nowadays. Do wish I lived in a different era, the game is soft as **** now. For me yesterday was a yellow, as that challenge was never going to endanger his opponent other than let him know he's in a game. We've all taken a few of those at Sunday League, but appreciate it's a different game to a) what it used to be and b) what I want it to be. Long for a referee, opponent and even Salop to react like this, the game would be much better for it imo
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Post by venceremos on Feb 23, 2022 17:32:49 GMT 1
velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that Surely every tackle is pre-meditated? You've never seen an accidental tackle?
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Post by MetaShrew on Feb 23, 2022 18:12:16 GMT 1
Relegation is a clear and present danger but all we can do is what we've done every year over the last decade when in this situation – hope for the best.
That said, it is by no means obvious where we are going to get 16+ points from in this last part of the season.
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Post by gtismygod on Feb 23, 2022 18:28:30 GMT 1
Certainly aren’t sleepwalking from my perspective. We’re heading there fully conscious and awake.
I wouldn’t have any complaints if we do get relegated, I almost feel like we deserve it. We haven’t built a proper squad, and have had no desire to play attacking football or win matches at any point this season. Whilst this was semi-excusable after the hard-luck story behind the summer transfer window, it isn’t excusable at all after a January window which wasn’t any different from the summer.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 23, 2022 19:06:33 GMT 1
As fans we dont know the full financial picture but I do get the impression that SC is not being properly backed by the board , hence his recent comments about proven strikers being the most expensive players. Since Udoh hit his run of good form teams have been doubling up on him and the rest of our team have not been taking advantage of the extra space afforded to them. We have badly missed the creativity of Whalley and Ogbeta recently and have become a sort of Wimbledon -lite team, trundling our way up the pitch hoping to pick up scraps from set pieces. When we lose at the moment it is only by the odd goal but the defence is under a lot of pressure and I think, unless we can gain more possession in midfield and offer more attacking threat, it is only a matter of time before some heavier defeats come our way (probably starting on Tuesday). At the start of 2022 we were looking upwards to mid-table but now we are looking over our shoulders and I just cant see where the five wins we need are going to come from. I was disappointed Janneh did not start last night - he changed the game against Fleetwood and his pace would have given us a much needed outlet. We do have some decent players but I would say the chances of us being relegated this season are about 50-50 because trying to grind out draws every game will probably not be good enough now. Dont buy that about not being backed. After the summer window closed it was very clear from brian and never disputed by cotterill, that there was a budget and it was up to the manager how he filled it, and we also know that even in the run up to the deadline he was hoping to bring in at least a couple more - indeed he said some were in his office Then the winter transfer window - why would this situation have changed, particularly with a cup run and a big away draw? Also Brian again has said it was up to cotterill how to spend his budget And on deadline day, we bought in a young left back from newcastle on loan, who hasnt appeared at all, and an experienced centre back from Sunderland - a regular in their team whose contract was up in the summer - so we somehow convinced him to give up a good wage at sunderland to join us early - and cotterill said he was trying for more. That doesn't sound like someone not being backed, unless the players targeted are unrealistic
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Post by northwestman on Feb 23, 2022 19:11:11 GMT 1
In both of the last 2 transfer windows, SC was left with money from his budget which was not spent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 19:27:09 GMT 1
velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that Surely every tackle is pre-meditated? Agree Vela was stupid and deserves a fine given the rules nowadays. Do wish I lived in a different era, the game is soft as **** now. For me yesterday was a yellow Agree with that. I've said that it was a stupid, reckless challenge which you can't defend but I still don't think it was a red. Football has changed and I know many people will say they are pleased that certain elements have gone, but the way football is becoming increasingly a non contact sport is something I'm not a fan of. And this isn't trying to be victims or claimining we are whiter than white, for example the amount of times Leahy 'won' free kicks last night by simply falling into a player was embarrassing, but that's the game nowadays.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 23, 2022 19:33:50 GMT 1
we seem to have gone backwards as far as results go the wors of it is we have not been beating the teams around us, if we stay up we will be very lucky .
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 23, 2022 20:18:50 GMT 1
We're just trying to stay up on the cheap, but if we go down, we'll lose thousands of pounds on gate receipts etc etc, and this time we will lose 1500/2000 off the gate---- and they won't come back.the supporters are on a right downer at the moment, and are sick of hearing 'shrewsbury are a well run club'time after time.i just can't get my head around how burton, Cambridge, accrington, Cheltenham etc, are way above us---- with less finances to work with.something is seriously wrong somewhere🤔🤔👇👇
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Post by barrynic on Feb 23, 2022 21:23:11 GMT 1
We are going down...Doncaster will catch us.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Feb 23, 2022 22:18:35 GMT 1
We won’t go down this season
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 23, 2022 23:04:25 GMT 1
I don't know where the away win is coming from.i said target Cambridge away, but **** me they've just beaten plymouth 2-0.tbh I don't know where the home win is coming from!!!!🤣🤣👍
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Post by kenwood on Feb 23, 2022 23:33:16 GMT 1
Looks bleak doesn’t it. Maybe if Town goes Vegetarian ( or is it Vegan ) like Forest Green Rovers that would help. As someone else has intimated , Wrexham here we come .
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 24, 2022 0:48:31 GMT 1
Looks bleak doesn’t it. Maybe if Town goes Vegetarian ( or is it Vegan ) like Forest Green Rovers that would help. As someone else has intimated , Wrexham here we come . It wont be next season, even if we go down 😉
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Post by belfastshrew on Feb 24, 2022 1:01:28 GMT 1
I almost feel like we deserve it. This, and the fact that we are praying others are worse than us, sums up our season.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2022 1:07:51 GMT 1
velas tackle was actually so premeditated it would have deserved a red had he cleanly won the ball , imagine how our players and would have reacted had it been the other way round He should be fined too for that Surely every tackle is pre-meditated? I remember saying that about a certain davis tackle and you disagreed its was premeditated to instantly stop play and not to win the ball maybe we could have the Roy Keane Alfie Harland debate again and I'll make out it was a fair challenge hey, not to worry, you can be wrong again if you like ;-) perhaps we should appeal it
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Post by suttonfarmsalopian on Feb 24, 2022 8:46:54 GMT 1
We were dreadful against Portsmouth after the sending off for sure. Vela was up for a scrap from the first minute with a bit of shoving down by the dugouts but as much as we need that little bit of aggrsssion in midfield, getting sent off on that manor white how light we are in that area is madness. We have enough to stay up but we’re only a few more injuries away from a full on crisis. The players looked confused by the instructions too, SC is barking out orders then Brian Jenson comes out with the playbook shouting instructions before SC sends him packing and shouts something different! Davis will be severely missed now if it’s a bad one - we could always recall Pyke to play out of position 😀
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