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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 22, 2021 14:07:08 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2021 14:43:41 GMT 1
Very sad news.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 22, 2021 15:06:43 GMT 1
Mr Fields is one of those independent minded MPs that the public admires. We need more of them.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2021 15:16:04 GMT 1
A proper MP - I often disagreed with him but he did his job the way it should be done.
I wish him well.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 20:27:33 GMT 1
I often disagreed with Frank Field.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 21:11:44 GMT 1
I often disagreed with Frank Field. So did I, but, unlike you, I will express my sympathies towards him and his family; I think he was a good MP, disagreements notwithstanding.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 22, 2021 21:24:49 GMT 1
I often disagreed with Frank Field. Couldn't your heart of stone run to "I often disagreed with Frank Field, but he worked tirelessly for what he believed. I wish him well"?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 21:53:27 GMT 1
Like most of us Field peaked early. In his case with his work for CPAG. Blair charged him with thinking the unthinkable and he thought that he could develop policy free of considerations of the politics. Which is pretty fatal for a politician. Of course, that oversight was not Field’s fault. Nothing ever is. He’s to politics what our current manager is to football management (who also peaked early). “We need more politicians like Field”. I’ll demur on that. Even if I didn’t then it is indisputable that we do not vote for politicians like that (however much it is said we want them). Leaving the question aside about whether or not we do want politicians like Field what other reasons are there? It’s not hard to see. Candidates get on shortlists through patronage of the leader and the party bureaucracy. The politics-free solution is to widen the franchise on selection votes to include registered supporters as well as members. That won’t happen. The political solution is to spend time in organisations that flat organisationally and member led and do not seek electoral victories. You may be surprised how much influence you can have.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 22:00:50 GMT 1
I often disagreed with Frank Field. Couldn't your heart of stone run to "I often disagreed with Frank Field, but he worked tirelessly for what he believed. I wish him well"? No. Let's look at this one. The information became public as part of his moves in parliament regarding assisted dying. May be he believes that the information will get the legislation over the line. Someone may even suggest that it gets called "Frank's Law". If he read the politics he'd see that he is opening a Pandora's Box in the context tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the collapse of social care and the critical state in which the NHS is in. "Safeguards". Currently medical staff are supposed to put a DNR note on someone's medical records after a discussion with the patient and the family. That doesn't happen even when the patient is aware and the family is there. It's a Pandora's Box. Hopefully there are parliamentarians in the House of Lords who will be able to vote this down.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 22:19:10 GMT 1
Couldn't your heart of stone run to "I often disagreed with Frank Field, but he worked tirelessly for what he believed. I wish him well"? No. Let's look at this one. The information became public as part of his moves in parliament regarding assisted dying. May be he believes that the information will get the legislation over the line. Someone may even suggest that it gets called "Frank's Law". If he read the politics he'd see that he is opening a Pandora's Box in the context tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the collapse of social care and the critical state in which the NHS is in. "Safeguards". Currently medical staff are supposed to put a DNR note on someone's medical records after a discussion with the patient and the family. That doesn't happen even when the patient is aware and the family is there. It's a Pandora's Box. Hopefully there are parliamentarians in the House of Lords who will be able to vote this down. I think that the degree of cynicism, not to mention even the hint of compassion towards Lord Field and his family, that that post demonstrates, is beyond astounding, and then to dress it up as being in pursuit of some finer goal is not clever - and I speak as one who shares your misgivings,at least as things stand.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2021 1:15:32 GMT 1
Sad to read that. I wish him & his family the very, very best.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Oct 23, 2021 1:38:57 GMT 1
That is very sad news to read.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2021 4:24:39 GMT 1
No. Let's look at this one. The information became public as part of his moves in parliament regarding assisted dying. May be he believes that the information will get the legislation over the line. Someone may even suggest that it gets called "Frank's Law". If he read the politics he'd see that he is opening a Pandora's Box in the context tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the collapse of social care and the critical state in which the NHS is in. "Safeguards". Currently medical staff are supposed to put a DNR note on someone's medical records after a discussion with the patient and the family. That doesn't happen even when the patient is aware and the family is there. It's a Pandora's Box. Hopefully there are parliamentarians in the House of Lords who will be able to vote this down. I think that the degree of cynicism, not to mention even the hint of compassion towards Lord Field and his family, that that post demonstrates, is beyond astounding, and then to dress it up as being in pursuit of some finer goal is not clever - and I speak as one who shares your misgivings,at least as things stand.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 23, 2021 9:23:51 GMT 1
Like most of us Field peaked early. In his case with his work for CPAG. Blair charged him with thinking the unthinkable and he thought that he could develop policy free of considerations of the politics. Which is pretty fatal for a politician. Of course, that oversight was not Field’s fault. Nothing ever is. He’s to politics what our current manager is to football management (who also peaked early). “We need more politicians like Field”. I’ll demur on that. Even if I didn’t then it is indisputable that we do not vote for politicians like that (however much it is said we want them). Leaving the question aside about whether or not we do want politicians like Field what other reasons are there? It’s not hard to see. Candidates get on shortlists through patronage of the leader and the party bureaucracy. The politics-free solution is to widen the franchise on selection votes to include registered supporters as well as members. That won’t happen. The political solution is to spend time in organisations that flat organisationally and member led and do not seek electoral victories. You may be surprised how much influence you can have. Quite a thoughtful contribution, if decidedly off topic! Not for the first time, you have simply not recognised that there is a time and place to disseminate one's political ethos, and this is neither.....you should start your own dedicated thread. It is assuredly NOT the case that "we do not vote for politicians like Field" or, arguably, Sir David Amess: just remind me please how many times they were elected, and with what majorities (in the case of Frank Field, despite the efforts of the Left within his own party) There are a number of MPs on either side of the aisle, whose personal attributes outweigh their political loyalties, and the personal is what this thread is about - not your undisguised attempts to destroy what we have, imperfections and all. I leave you to ponder the title of your new thread, to which I will doubtlessly be tempted to contribute.
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