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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 22, 2021 8:34:38 GMT 1
Very sad. 😢 How was this allowed to happen??? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59005500A woman has died and a man has been injured after actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a New Mexico film set. Police in the US state said Mr Baldwin discharged the weapon during filming for the 19th Century western Rust. The woman, Halyna Hutchins, was flown to hospital by helicopter but died of her injuries. The man, director Joel Souza, was receiving emergency care. A spokesperson for Mr Baldwin told AP news agency the incident involved the misfiring of a prop gun with blanks.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 22, 2021 8:43:01 GMT 1
Has happened before, Bruce Lee's son, Brandon, died on the set during The Crow's production. You would have thought stringent safety meeasures would be in place.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 22, 2021 8:43:16 GMT 1
it is very sad and rather bizarre
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 22, 2021 9:07:35 GMT 1
It is. I don’t know anything about guns but it does all seem odd to me. I don’t understand how it could happen if it was a prop?
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Post by Dancin on Oct 22, 2021 9:56:04 GMT 1
On 5 Live this morning there was a Movie Armourer talking about steps taken to avoid things like this happening; interesting listen. 1:12:00 in
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2021 10:20:13 GMT 1
I’m no expert but how about a fake gun , blanks , and don’t point it at anyone
What a **** up
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Post by kenwood on Oct 22, 2021 14:23:58 GMT 1
I’m no expert but how about a fake gun , blanks , and don’t point it at anyone What a **** up People don’t realise blanks can kill . There’s still a lot of s**t that is discharged when firing blanks . That’s why on excercise using blank ammunition soldiers put a bfa ( blank fire attachment ) on their weapons to make them safer . Dont know what happened in this case -,unfortunately accidents do happen.
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Post by Dancin on Oct 22, 2021 14:28:46 GMT 1
I’m no expert but how about a fake gun , blanks , and don’t point it at anyone What a **** up People don’t realise blanks can kill . There’s still a lot of s**t that is discharged when firing blanks . That’s why on excercise using blank ammunition soldiers put a bfa ( blank fire attachment ) on their weapons to make them safer . Dont know what happened in this case -,unfortunately accidents do happen. Is that the Yellow thing that you see on exercises if any are shown on the news?
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Post by Dancin on Oct 22, 2021 14:32:21 GMT 1
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Post by kenwood on Oct 22, 2021 14:51:04 GMT 1
People don’t realise blanks can kill . There’s still a lot of s**t that is discharged when firing blanks . That’s why on excercise using blank ammunition soldiers put a bfa ( blank fire attachment ) on their weapons to make them safer . Dont know what happened in this case -,unfortunately accidents do happen. Is that the Yellow thing that you see on exercises if any are shown on the news? [br Yes , that’s right. I only know because I served 10 yrs in the TA. When people used to ask what regiment I served in I used to say the SAS . Obviously the looked at me as though I was a right lying git. I then explained I served in a Saturday and Sunday reg .otherwise known as the Queens Own Mercian Yeomanry ( QOMY) . Their response was much the same as your’s is now dancin , terrible groans accompanied by expletives that would make anyone blush . Things have obviously changed and the Army no longer use the SLR with 7.62 ammunition . They use a much lighter personal weapon . The old Self Loading Rifle with a BFA made it bloody heavy , like an elephant gun . I must admit I had some wonderful times in the TA in the late 70’s early 80’s. As you no doubt are aware nowadays TA personnel s are likely to be sent into areas of conflict abroad . I am in awe of them , they make me feel very proud .
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 22, 2021 15:37:25 GMT 1
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-misfire-rust-live-b1943248.htmlAlec Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza on the set of his new film, authorities have said. The movie, Rust, was being filmed at the Bonanza Creek ranch outside Santa Fe, New Mexico, and filming has been temporarily suspended.anta Fe County deputies were called to the scene soon after the incident took place on Thursday. Ms Hutchins was taken to the University of New Mexico Hospital by helicopter where she died. Mr Souza was taken to Christus St Vincent Regional Medical Center where he underwent treatment for his injuries. The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s office said in a statement that the pair were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by 68-year-old Baldwin, who is the producer and actor for the new film, which is about an accidental killing. No one was arrested in the incident, and no charges have been filed, the office said.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 22, 2021 17:43:04 GMT 1
"movie productions are supposed to use blanks or dummy bullets, but witnesses and a prop masters' union have suggested it was a live bullet that struck Hutchins and the film's director" if this true then somone has seriously messed up www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html"Alec Baldwin shared his grief on Friday after accidentally killing the female cinematographer from his new movie Rust, tweeting: 'My heart is broken.' Halyna Hutchins (right), 42, a married mother-of-two, died shortly after being shot by Baldwin around 1.50pm Thursday at Bonanza Creek Ranch, near the city of Santa Fe in New Mexico, where they were filming the movie Rust. Joel Souza, 48, the film's director, was also hurt and spent several hours in hospital, but was released later the same evening. It remains unclear how exactly the accident played out - movie productions are supposed to use blanks or dummy bullets, Alec Baldwin shared his grief on Friday after accidentally killing the female cinematographer from his new movie Rust, tweeting: 'My heart is broken.' Halyna Hutchins (right), 42, a married mother-of-two, died shortly after being shot by Baldwin around 1.50pm Thursday at Bonanza Creek Ranch, near the city of Santa Fe in New Mexico, where they were filming the movie Rust. Joel Souza, 48, the film's director, was also hurt and spent several hours in hospital, but was released later the same evening. It remains unclear how exactly the accident played out - movie productions are supposed to use blanks or dummy bullets, but witnesses and a prop masters' union have suggested it was a live bullet that struck Hutchins and the film's director. In two tweets on Friday, Baldwin said: 'There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna.' Baldwin and Hutchins (circled) are pictured together (main) on the set of Rust, in an image that she uploaded to Instagram two days ago and the film's director. In two tweets on Friday, Baldwin said: 'There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna.' Baldwin and Hutchins (circled) are pictured together (main) on the set of Rust, in an image that she uploaded to Instagram two days ago"
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Post by champagneprince on Oct 22, 2021 20:24:37 GMT 1
Very sad for all concerned.
Just goes to show that no matter how much money you have, you can be dealt a very swift and severe blow to the happiness you have.
Lots of questions to be asked methinks. There could well be some huge safety changes in the movie industry and I wouldnt be surprised if Alec Baldwin becomes the one who spearheads it.
To injure two I would guess that could mean three things
1.It shot more than one round 2.It shot one round that ricocheted off one, then hit the other 3.It shot one round that went through one into the other
If they were real bullets then surely there must be some suspicion of sabotage?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 22, 2021 20:31:40 GMT 1
Very sad for all concerned. Just goes to show that no matter how much money you have, you can be dealt a very swift and severe blow to the happiness you have. Lots of questions to be asked methinks. There could well be some huge safety changes in the movie industry and I wouldnt be surprised if Alec Baldwin becomes the one who spearheads it. To injure two I would guess that could mean three things 1.It shot more than one round 2.It shot one round that ricocheted off one, then hit the other 3.It shot one round that went through one into the other If they were real bullets then surely there must be some suspicion of sabotage? Not to mention the fact that these were director’s. Why on earth was the gun aimed at the director of photography in the first place? Something just doesn’t add up.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 22, 2021 20:56:26 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2021 4:28:57 GMT 1
what a mess; a film set with safety issues and some timeline issues surrounding armorer Hanna Guierrez-Reed . this account clears Alec Baldwin www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html"The star was handed a loaded weapon by assistant director Dave Halls, who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, court records released on Friday have revealed. The film crew's armorer Hanna Gutierrez-Reed had laid three 'prop guns' out on a rolling cart, and Halls grabbed one for a rehearsal and handed it to Baldwin. 'Cold gun!' the assistant director shouted while handing the gun to Baldwin, a signal meaning that the gun did not have live ammunition, a search warrant says. Police say the assistant director did not realise the gun contained live rounds. Seconds later, Baldwin pulled the trigger, killing cinematographer Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza with a single bullet. Unionised workers had walked off the set hours before the fatal shooting, after they complained about long hours, shoddy conditions and another safety incident days earlier involving 'two misfires' of a prop weapon. A source said an as-yet unnamed prop master who oversaw the gun had 'just been brought in' to replace the workers who had left. It's unclear whether Hanna Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer, had recently joined the production, or was one of the crew members who stayed behind after the walk-off."
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Post by kenwood on Oct 23, 2021 8:03:20 GMT 1
I can’t understand where the “ live rounds “ bit comes from. Why would live rounds be anywhere near a film set . If they’re not on site they can’t get mixed up with blank rounds . The whole procedure seems flawed to my way of thinking but what do I know . A terrible tragedy which could so easily have been avoided.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2021 9:42:27 GMT 1
I’m no expert but how about a fake gun , blanks , and don’t point it at anyone What a **** up People don’t realise blanks can kill . There’s still a lot of s**t that is discharged when firing blanks . That’s why on excercise using blank ammunition soldiers put a bfa ( blank fire attachment ) on their weapons to make them safer . Dont know what happened in this case -,unfortunately accidents do happen. the user of the gun is in the most danger I guess, the obvious noise danger, kickback and 'blast' whatever its called if they are stupid enough to point it at themselves I think I heard the wadding from a blank can sometimes fire and cause injury, but didnt they say the chap standing behind the women also got hit which suggests a live round went right through her, I always though a blank was the same as a live round without the pointy bit, cant say I've ever used a real gun so no idea
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Post by shrewder on Oct 23, 2021 9:45:34 GMT 1
I can’t understand where the “ live rounds “ bit comes from. Why would live rounds be anywhere near a film set . If they’re not on site they can’t get mixed up with blank rounds . The whole procedure seems flawed to my way of thinking but what do I know . A terrible tragedy which could so easily have been avoided. Exactly. Does anyone know why you would ever have the need for live rounds on a film set?
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2021 10:28:01 GMT 1
I can’t understand where the “ live rounds “ bit comes from. Why would live rounds be anywhere near a film set . If they’re not on site they can’t get mixed up with blank rounds . The whole procedure seems flawed to my way of thinking but what do I know . A terrible tragedy which could so easily have been avoided. Exactly. Does anyone know why you would ever have the need for live rounds on a film set? If you did want to blast a prop to bits or something it should be shot on a completely different day with firearms experts pulling the trigger. We complain about Health and Safety rules, but it seems tighter rules need to be applied wen filming. Rather than Baldwin beating himself up about this, I hope it leads to zero tolerence and no more accidents and to more action to curtail gun culture altogether.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Oct 25, 2021 1:57:27 GMT 1
That is very sad news indeed.
RIP.
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Post by Dancin on Oct 25, 2021 12:09:23 GMT 1
Exactly. Does anyone know why you would ever have the need for live rounds on a film set? If you did want to blast a prop to bits or something it should be shot on a completely different day with firearms experts pulling the trigger. We complain about Health and Safety rules, but it seems tighter rules need to be applied wen filming. Rather than Baldwin beating himself up about this, I hope it leads to zero tolerence and no more accidents and to more action to curtail gun culture altogether. Interesting article from the Washington Post, about the Brandon Lee film set incident.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 25, 2021 12:28:40 GMT 1
A horrible occurrence, no doubt.
However, I was struck by a comment on Twitter contrasting the level of concern over an accident with a prop gun to the resigned acceptance of whatever carnage the latest mass shooting with a real weapon has caused.
That's America's great tragedy.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 25, 2021 13:27:46 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 25, 2021 14:10:57 GMT 1
A horrible occurrence, no doubt. However, I was struck by a comment on Twitter contrasting the level of concern over an accident with a prop gun to the resigned acceptance of whatever carnage the latest mass shooting with a real weapon has caused. That's America's great tragedy. very true
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 26, 2021 22:35:54 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 27, 2021 9:28:02 GMT 1
between that news and that the union members walked off set due to safety issues after two missfires, plus an inexperinced armourery. from the mail "Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was the subject of numerous complaints while working as the armorer on her pervious, and first ever, movie The Old Way Nicolas Cage, the star of the film, reportedly yelled at her after she fired a gun without warning for the second time: 'You just blew my f**king eardrums out!' A crew member from the The Old Way said she 'put the cast and crew in several unnecessary and dangerous situations' before he reported she should be fired In a podcast interview after filming ended, she said she wasn't sure if she was ready to be a head armorer on a movie set" whoever was in charge of this film is surely going to have to bear some responsibility.
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