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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 16, 2021 10:19:47 GMT 1
this is a sad and horrible thing to happen after the last MP diedcand now this has happend ,will MP's have protection ? Wr've seen it with attacks on Westminster bridge - we all need proctection to go about our lawful business. Obviously can't all be guarded 24/7, but our policing has to be stepped up to get weapons out of the system. We can't bow down and accrept this sort of incident as normal.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 16, 2021 10:27:51 GMT 1
this is a sad and horrible thing to happen after the last MP diedcand now this has happend ,will MP's have protection ? Wr've seen it with attacks on Westminster bridge - we all need proctection to go about our lawful business. Obviously can't all be guarded 24/7, but our policing has to be steped up to get weapons out of the system. We can't bow down and accrept this sort of incident as normal.
How can you get weapons out of the system when we’ve all got draws of them at home. A truly awful act of terrorism against society and the loss if a very kind and caring man…. RIP
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 16, 2021 10:39:10 GMT 1
Wr've seen it with attacks on Westminster bridge - we all need proctection to go about our lawful business. Obviously can't all be guarded 24/7, but our policing has to be steped up to get weapons out of the system. We can't bow down and accrept this sort of incident as normal.
How can you get weapons out of the system when we’ve all got draws of them at home. A truly awful act of terrorism against society and the loss if a very kind and caring man…. RIP There are items in the kitchen drawer, but they only become weapons when they are out on the streets.
What a dedicated MP and family man he seems to have been. We need to make this country safer for all decent people. This sad loss needs to be a wake up call in his memory.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 16, 2021 11:51:14 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 16, 2021 13:34:25 GMT 1
We don't need social media voices in our heads when we can turn on our TVs to this:
People go on to social media to call this sort of horse s**t out. And rightly so. There's a perfectly good thread about migrants from a few days ago where your last few posts would fit nicely. I don't think this is the place for any politically motivated posts. RIP to hard working MP who's main interest in politics was serving his constituents. To be stabbed to death,in a church, while serving your community and leaving behind a widow and five children is truly shocking. I neither agree nor disagree whether the point about politically motivated posts on this thread. You will note that I was making a comment about social media. I was disagreeing with that. Also there is no established link between social media and this media - at least none that is publicly known. For politically motivated posts I refer you to armchair's cant.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 16, 2021 13:43:26 GMT 1
There's a perfectly good thread about migrants from a few days ago where your last few posts would fit nicely. I don't think this is the place for any politically motivated posts. RIP to hard working MP who's main interest in politics was serving his constituents. To be stabbed to death,in a church, while serving your community and leaving behind a widow and five children is truly shocking. I neither agree nor disagree whether the point about politically motivated posts on this thread. You will note that I was making a comment about social media. I was disagreeing with that. Also there is no established link between social media and this media - at least none that is publicly known. For politically motivated posts I refer you to armchair's cant. I am sure that you are a thoroughly agreeable sort of chap - it mystified me why you seem so intent on proving otherwise....I buy you a beer sometime....a serious offer!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 8:44:07 GMT 1
It will be very sombre in Parliament later as MPs pay tribute to Sir David.
Some very moving tributes to him this morning.
A day for reflection and prayers.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 18, 2021 17:43:42 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 20, 2021 22:28:53 GMT 1
There's a perfectly good thread about migrants from a few days ago where your last few posts would fit nicely. I don't think this is the place for any politically motivated posts. RIP to hard working MP who's main interest in politics was serving his constituents. To be stabbed to death,in a church, while serving your community and leaving behind a widow and five children is truly shocking. Really well said. Most of you are Mods, why were these migrant posts (the original ones about the Jeremy Vine show) not moved to the migrant thread?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 20, 2021 22:53:28 GMT 1
We now have politicians musing about something called " david's Law". So that people cannot have anonymous social media accounts. I use my real name on twitter and facebook. Of course, people only have my word for it. To confirm that it is my real name I would need to go through an ID process with the platform provider concerned.
Was David Amess widely/frequently abused on social media? Politicians are not held in high esteem. They probably think they should be. There are a number of good reasons why they are not. The linkage between Amess' death and social media anonymity looks opportunistic.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 20, 2021 22:54:53 GMT 1
Most of you are Mods, why were these migrant posts (the original ones about the Jeremy Vine show) not moved to the migrant thread? Because they were making a point about an issue raised on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 23:20:10 GMT 1
We now have politicians musing about something called " david's Law". So that people cannot have anonymous social media accounts. I use my real name on twitter and facebook. Of course, people only have my word for it. To confirm that it is my real name I would need to go through an ID process with the platform provider concerned. Was David Amess widely/frequently abused on social media? Politicians are not held in high esteem. They probably think they should be. There are a number of good reasons why they are not. The linkage between Amess' death and social media anonimity looks opportunistic. Quite right. There are cynical moves afoot to equate the entirely legitimate scrutiny and criticism of elected politicians with the murder of an MP. You cannot wail about 'an attack on democracy' then, with your next breath, demand less accountability. There is nothing to link Sir David Amess' tragic death with social media discourse, yet the narrative is set
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 21, 2021 11:31:19 GMT 1
The other attacks on democracy that are worth noting: - an elections bill undermining the independence of the Electoral Commission - a bill to reform judicial review, whose principal aim is to reduce the role of the judiciary - a police bill to weaken the right to protest - an education bill that threatens academic freedoms in the area of teacher training - "Reforming" the UK's implementation of the European Human Rights Act Where are all these attacks coming from? Hmmmm. That such matters constitute "attacks" is largely a matter of opinion, and your suggestions as to the purported reasons for discussing such potential actions are also your opinion; personally, I have not paid a great deal of attention to any of the matters you raise, except insofar as I am aware of the headlined reasons; as and when I have read and understood the detailed proposals, I cannot comment.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 12:49:01 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 19:15:15 GMT 1
Michael Portillo writing in the Telegraph... Sir David Amess's dependability proved to be his vulnerabilityAnother parliamentary colleague has been murdered. I did not know Jo Cox. But I entered the House of Commons because my predecessor Sir Anthony Berry was killed by the IRA in the Brighton bombing. In 1990, my fellow Conservative MP and a dear friend, Ian Gow, was blown up at his home.
Members of Parliament may deserve many criticisms. But they do not lack courage. The chance that they will be slain doing their duty is now significant. But they do their work with not a thought for their safety. Sir David Amess will not have considered changing his routine, even though he would have understood the risk perfectly.
I am deeply saddened and horrified by the news that David has been murdered. He was a very devoted constituency MP, and of course he would spend Friday in his patch helping his constituents. That his dependability has proved to be his vulnerability is devastating to us all.
David Amess rose to prominence with a grin: one of the largest ever shown on British television. When his victory in Basildon in the 1983 general election was announced, he abandoned the self-discipline that had kept his expression in check till the official proclamation, rocked back and beamed with joy. It was as emblematic of that great Tory landslide, as the loss of my seat in 1997 was symbolic of the Conservative rout that year.
Thereafter, David maintained his prominence by working into every one of his interventions in the House of Commons the name Basildon; delivered so loudly that the most senior Members whiling away the afternoon on the green benches were startled from their slumbers.
When he entered the Commons he was distinctly boyish, with that huge grin and an improbable fringe of blond hair. But he did not venture into politics as a novice. His ambition had been to own a Rolls-Royce in his twenties. He achieved it. He would grin, of course, as he later recalled that naive ambition. But with his shrewdness in business he had pulled it off.
If David had squeaked in on a Tory avalanche, he was not going to be washed out on a Labour thaw. He dug into his constituency and using his popularity and political acuity swerved constituency boundary changes to end up in a more secure seat.
While I trotted around various ministerial jobs, David followed me as my parliamentary private secretary. He knew the House of Commons intimately and loved it. He was therefore extremely useful to me, offering advice, mounting operations and watching my back against the plentiful Conservative daggers aimed against it.
We met up with a number of nervous Tories defending their seats during the 1997 election campaign. David was despondent, smelling the exit from parliamentary life. Although it wasn’t he who was on the way out, but I.
David had an excellent ear for local grievance and a great skill at generating local publicity. He was seriously good at politics. He cared deeply about big issues, certainly those that affected his constituency, but also national issues on which he spoke with absolute conviction.
He was profoundly opposed to the European Union and his career lasted long enough for him to witness the long civil war in the Conservative Party, and the final victory for the Eurosceptics under Boris Johnson. It was the moment of victory and for celebration, because he believed that Brexit secured the nation’s best interests. I am pleased that he saw it happen.
David was devoted to Julia, his wife, and his five children. Although he rarely spoke of it to me, he was a man of deep faith.
I found him very loyal. I have good reason to thank him for sticking by me through thick and thin. I saw him frustrated and anxious, but never angry. He was never given ministerial office, but I never heard him complain. He continued with his constituency duties and to contribute to parliamentary debates with undiminished enthusiasm.
His parliamentary service was outstandingly long. Goodness knows how many MPs came and went over the course of his career while he continued so ably and loudly to represent his constituents.
During his career, he saw that MPs were killed while doing their duty. He would have known the risks and accepted them.
I am not surprised that there was enough material for his book which he published last year and which I was honoured to contribute towards. Nor am I surprised now to see so many tributes pouring in now from across the political spectrum.
He lived a true public servant and his death shocks us all.
thanks for finding this what a lovely tribute any constituents would be thrilled to have an MP like hime representing them, it is such a tragedy .
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Post by Pilch on Oct 21, 2021 21:20:18 GMT 1
was only just made aware of a bit of a spat and have made a quick judgment to take the thread back several hours, apologies in advance for anyone annoyed by this but I think its for the best ps count to 10 and get back on topic ;-)
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 22, 2021 21:12:46 GMT 1
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