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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 15, 2021 15:15:48 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 15, 2021 15:29:47 GMT 1
Absolutely Horrendous.
R.I.P
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Post by southshropblue on Oct 15, 2021 15:34:05 GMT 1
Like Jo Cox, David Amess was a very decent human being Whatever the motive for his murder As a society we need to learn to disagree well and respect those with different opinions
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Post by northwestman on Oct 15, 2021 15:38:47 GMT 1
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Post by horse01 on Oct 15, 2021 15:43:53 GMT 1
What has the world come to?? Killed whilst doing his job?
R.I.P. Sir David
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Post by shrewder on Oct 15, 2021 15:48:13 GMT 1
Despicable act . We live in a strange world with some individuals having a very distorted view on the value of a life.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2021 15:51:17 GMT 1
Priti, it's way past time for action. More bobbies on the beat, I wouldn't object tp being stopped and searched if that's what's needed. But somehow, the scurge of knife crime has to be tackled with a very hard line.
Many others will be killed or maimed this weekend, it's gone too far!
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 15, 2021 15:56:18 GMT 1
Very sad news.
I thought, but might be wrong, that MPs now had protection at their Constituency meetings
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Post by suttonshrew on Oct 15, 2021 15:59:12 GMT 1
Awful news, lovely guy who we met at Parliament for safe standing and he wanted to know all the ins and outs, genuinely interested in how it could benefit the clubs in his constituency, but also took the time to discuss us and our work. Also a great constituency MP who wanted to improve those lives around him instead of concentrating on Westminster.
Unfortunately politics now is a dangerous game with many thinking their views outweigh the value of someone’s life. Thoughts and wishes go to Sir David’s family and friends
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 15, 2021 16:28:11 GMT 1
This is tragic and sickening, it’s getting so someone in public life is in danger for expressing an honest opinion or simply for representing a particular point of view.
I agree with NWM, social media has a lot to answer for. There’s always been haters but the social media bubbles help to justify their actions and reassure them that they’re not alone.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 15, 2021 16:31:32 GMT 1
It’s just awful. My thoughts are with his family. How dreadful for them and us as a country.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2021 16:50:26 GMT 1
Awful news. RIP.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 15, 2021 17:14:49 GMT 1
Given armed police have been deployed, do they think it's terrorism like with Jo Cox?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 17:18:14 GMT 1
This is just terrible. Whether it is an MP or some kid waiting for a bus.
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Post by horse01 on Oct 15, 2021 17:29:31 GMT 1
Given armed police have been deployed, do they think it's terrorism like with Jo Cox? Armed police would generally be deployed to credible reports of a weapon being brandished or used.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2021 17:35:47 GMT 1
Very sad news. I thought, but might be wrong, that MPs now had protection at their Constituency meetings From what is being reported it doesn't seem to the case. But after the murder of Jo Cox and now this, you would think that is going to be something that will be discussed in some detail over the coming days and weeks. Once again we are reminded just how vulnerable MP's are to attack (if it is related to his work as an MP of course, suspect it is but I guess we don't yet know the full facts)...
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 15, 2021 17:42:26 GMT 1
Awful news, lovely guy who we met at Parliament for safe standing and he wanted to know all the ins and outs, genuinely interested in how it could benefit the clubs in his constituency, but also took the time to discuss us and our work. Also a great constituency MP who wanted to improve those lives around him instead of concentrating on Westminster. Unfortunately politics now is a dangerous game with many thinking their views outweigh the value of someone’s life. Thoughts and wishes go to Sir David’s family and friends There are too many people in this world who believe that THEIR views are more important than ANYTHING else, including, as we now learn so tragically, the life of someone who embodied our democratic values. Such people are a stain on humanity, and this attack is an attack on each of us. There are NO views or opinions of any worth that deny the expression of alternatives. NONE WHATSOEVER. RIP, Sir David
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 17:49:36 GMT 1
What horrible news, this just shouldn't be happening in our society.
All our thoughts and prayers go out to all his family and friends, RIP Sir David.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2021 18:04:52 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 15, 2021 18:26:07 GMT 1
reading accounts of him he seems to be a dedicated hard working MP, who was trying to help the people he represented which is what you hope all mps would do; a sensles horrible act and a wife without a husband and five children without a father. my condolences to his family R.I.P
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 15, 2021 18:28:27 GMT 1
yes it has been very succesfull , england have talked about doing it but as far as im aware there is only one in london and that set up fairly recently considered the years of high knife crimes in many city's it is baffling why england has been so slow to roll it out. considering scotland has been running them for 16 years
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 15, 2021 19:02:38 GMT 1
Awful news, lovely guy who we met at Parliament for safe standing and he wanted to know all the ins and outs, genuinely interested in how it could benefit the clubs in his constituency, but also took the time to discuss us and our work. Also a great constituency MP who wanted to improve those lives around him instead of concentrating on Westminster. Unfortunately politics now is a dangerous game with many thinking their views outweigh the value of someone’s life. Thoughts and wishes go to Sir David’s family and friends There are too many people in this world who believe that THEIR views are more important than ANYTHING else, including, as we now learn so tragically, the life of someone who embodied our democratic values. Such people are a stain on humanity, and this attack is an attack on each of us. There are NO views or opinions of any worth that deny the expression of alternatives. NONE WHATSOEVER. RIP, Sir David We learned that with Jo Cox didn't we? The motivations of her murderer were clear very quickly. Do we ACTUALLY know the motives in this case yet? That life is cheap can be part of democratic values as well as opposed to them www.thenational.scot/news/19647585.priti-patel-seeks-give-border-force-staff-immunity-migrants-drowning/
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2021 19:19:16 GMT 1
There are too many people in this world who believe that THEIR views are more important than ANYTHING else, including, as we now learn so tragically, the life of someone who embodied our democratic values. Such people are a stain on humanity, and this attack is an attack on each of us. There are NO views or opinions of any worth that deny the expression of alternatives. NONE WHATSOEVER. RIP, Sir David We learned that with Jo Cox didn't we? The motivations of her murderer were clear very quickly. Do we ACTUALLY know the motives in this case yet? That life is cheap can be part of democratic values as well as opposed to them www.thenational.scot/news/19647585.priti-patel-seeks-give-border-force-staff-immunity-migrants-drowning/As Priti hasn't put in place Violence Reduction Units throughout the country, rather than just Scotlabd (2006) and London (2019), she does not appear to be too bothered about the safety of the general public either.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 15, 2021 21:40:09 GMT 1
We don't need social media voices in our heads when we can turn on our TVs to this:
People go on to social media to call this sort of horse s**t out. And rightly so.
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Post by salop27 on Oct 15, 2021 22:05:50 GMT 1
We don't need social media voices in our heads when we can turn on our TVs to this:
People go on to social media to call this sort of horse s**t out. And rightly so. There's a perfectly good thread about migrants from a few days ago where your last few posts would fit nicely. I don't think this is the place for any politically motivated posts. RIP to hard working MP who's main interest in politics was serving his constituents. To be stabbed to death,in a church, while serving your community and leaving behind a widow and five children is truly shocking.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Oct 16, 2021 2:32:14 GMT 1
That is really sad news.
RIP.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 16, 2021 6:29:37 GMT 1
this is a sad and horrible thing to happen after the last MP died and now this has happend ,will MP's have protection ?
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 16, 2021 8:35:59 GMT 1
We don't need social media voices in our heads when we can turn on our TVs to this:
People go on to social media to call this sort of horse s**t out. And rightly so. There's a perfectly good thread about migrants from a few days ago where your last few posts would fit nicely. I don't think this is the place for any politically motivated posts. RIP to hard working MP who's main interest in politics was serving his constituents. To be stabbed to death,in a church, while serving your community and leaving behind a widow and five children is truly shocking. Really well said.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 16, 2021 9:29:01 GMT 1
We don't need social media voices in our heads when we can turn on our TVs to this:
People go on to social media to call this sort of horse s**t out. And rightly so. Oh dear. I don't share your evident predisposition to sanctimony and whataboutery, powered though it may be by a genuine anger; believe me, I get angry about things too, but recognising that there is a time and place to raise awkward issues is vital to healthy debate. This thread is neither the time nor place: as has been pointed out, a more pertinent thread exists already - this contribution, if of value, does not belong here, in fact, it angered me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 16, 2021 9:54:34 GMT 1
Michael Portillo writing in the Telegraph... Sir David Amess's dependability proved to be his vulnerabilityAnother parliamentary colleague has been murdered. I did not know Jo Cox. But I entered the House of Commons because my predecessor Sir Anthony Berry was killed by the IRA in the Brighton bombing. In 1990, my fellow Conservative MP and a dear friend, Ian Gow, was blown up at his home.
Members of Parliament may deserve many criticisms. But they do not lack courage. The chance that they will be slain doing their duty is now significant. But they do their work with not a thought for their safety. Sir David Amess will not have considered changing his routine, even though he would have understood the risk perfectly.
I am deeply saddened and horrified by the news that David has been murdered. He was a very devoted constituency MP, and of course he would spend Friday in his patch helping his constituents. That his dependability has proved to be his vulnerability is devastating to us all.
David Amess rose to prominence with a grin: one of the largest ever shown on British television. When his victory in Basildon in the 1983 general election was announced, he abandoned the self-discipline that had kept his expression in check till the official proclamation, rocked back and beamed with joy. It was as emblematic of that great Tory landslide, as the loss of my seat in 1997 was symbolic of the Conservative rout that year.
Thereafter, David maintained his prominence by working into every one of his interventions in the House of Commons the name Basildon; delivered so loudly that the most senior Members whiling away the afternoon on the green benches were startled from their slumbers.
When he entered the Commons he was distinctly boyish, with that huge grin and an improbable fringe of blond hair. But he did not venture into politics as a novice. His ambition had been to own a Rolls-Royce in his twenties. He achieved it. He would grin, of course, as he later recalled that naive ambition. But with his shrewdness in business he had pulled it off.
If David had squeaked in on a Tory avalanche, he was not going to be washed out on a Labour thaw. He dug into his constituency and using his popularity and political acuity swerved constituency boundary changes to end up in a more secure seat.
While I trotted around various ministerial jobs, David followed me as my parliamentary private secretary. He knew the House of Commons intimately and loved it. He was therefore extremely useful to me, offering advice, mounting operations and watching my back against the plentiful Conservative daggers aimed against it.
We met up with a number of nervous Tories defending their seats during the 1997 election campaign. David was despondent, smelling the exit from parliamentary life. Although it wasn’t he who was on the way out, but I.
David had an excellent ear for local grievance and a great skill at generating local publicity. He was seriously good at politics. He cared deeply about big issues, certainly those that affected his constituency, but also national issues on which he spoke with absolute conviction.
He was profoundly opposed to the European Union and his career lasted long enough for him to witness the long civil war in the Conservative Party, and the final victory for the Eurosceptics under Boris Johnson. It was the moment of victory and for celebration, because he believed that Brexit secured the nation’s best interests. I am pleased that he saw it happen.
David was devoted to Julia, his wife, and his five children. Although he rarely spoke of it to me, he was a man of deep faith.
I found him very loyal. I have good reason to thank him for sticking by me through thick and thin. I saw him frustrated and anxious, but never angry. He was never given ministerial office, but I never heard him complain. He continued with his constituency duties and to contribute to parliamentary debates with undiminished enthusiasm.
His parliamentary service was outstandingly long. Goodness knows how many MPs came and went over the course of his career while he continued so ably and loudly to represent his constituents.
During his career, he saw that MPs were killed while doing their duty. He would have known the risks and accepted them.
I am not surprised that there was enough material for his book which he published last year and which I was honoured to contribute towards. Nor am I surprised now to see so many tributes pouring in now from across the political spectrum.
He lived a true public servant and his death shocks us all.
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