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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jul 27, 2021 8:43:34 GMT 1
"a victimless crime"
A truly staggering statement from Rovers, would be returning my season ticket if this was happening here.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 27, 2021 8:55:45 GMT 1
I would have returned mine before this if we had appointed him in the first place. I have my standards and he doesn’t meet them.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 27, 2021 9:08:16 GMT 1
"a victimless crime" A truly staggering statement from Rovers, would be returning my season ticket if this was happening here. It was a direct quote from the Crown Prosecution Service. So not a staggering statement from BR Bristol Rovers, who were relegated to League Two last season, declined to comment while legal proceedings were ongoing. May not fit in with everyone's shock assessment but little they can do whilst he's still innocent
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Post by camdenshrew on Jul 27, 2021 9:26:10 GMT 1
The police/CPS call it a "victimless crime" when the victim (i.e. his wife) doesn't want to press charges. However, the police/CPS can still press ahead with the prosecution if they think there is enough evidence, it's in the public interest and there is more than a 50% chance of a conviction.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 27, 2021 10:06:42 GMT 1
Just glad none of our managers bring such disrepute to the club but I guess (hope) we would never take on anyone with such a reputation as Barton in the first place.
I wonder how RW would deal with such an issue if it were ever to happen?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 27, 2021 10:15:29 GMT 1
Just glad none of our managers bring such disrepute to the club but I guess (hope) we would never take on anyone with such a reputation as Barton in the first place. I wonder how RW would deal with such an issue if it were ever to happen? It won't ever happen, but I reckon the answer is "swiftly".
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jul 27, 2021 10:57:51 GMT 1
"a victimless crime" A truly staggering statement from Rovers, would be returning my season ticket if this was happening here. It was a direct quote from the Crown Prosecution Service. So not a staggering statement from BR Bristol Rovers, who were relegated to League Two last season, declined to comment while legal proceedings were ongoing. May not fit in with everyone's shock assessment but little they can do whilst he's still innocent They could have chosen not to comment at all, and leave that out. They know exactly what they're doing.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 27, 2021 10:59:10 GMT 1
Just glad none of our managers bring such disrepute to the club but I guess (hope) we would never take on anyone with such a reputation as Barton in the first place. I wonder how RW would deal with such an issue if it were ever to happen? RW causes enough controversy of his own ...
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 27, 2021 11:00:43 GMT 1
Just glad none of our managers bring such disrepute to the club but I guess (hope) we would never take on anyone with such a reputation as Barton in the first place. I wonder how RW would deal with such an issue if it were ever to happen? RW causes enough controversy of his own ... Not really in the same league though, never bordering on criminal with Roland.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 27, 2021 11:02:30 GMT 1
RW causes enough controversy of his own ... Not really in the same league though, never bordering on criminal with Roland. I respect your opinion.
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Post by Namur on Jul 27, 2021 11:39:33 GMT 1
Just glad none of our managers bring such disrepute to the club but I guess (hope) we would never take on anyone with such a reputation as Barton in the first place. I wonder how RW would deal with such an issue if it were ever to happen? In recent years we seem to have done well to avoid ‘celebrity’ managers. Usually ends in tears, whilst they go back to their old boys network on TalkSport or Sky…
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jul 27, 2021 12:21:41 GMT 1
"a victimless crime" A truly staggering statement from Rovers, would be returning my season ticket if this was happening here. It was a direct quote from the Crown Prosecution Service. So not a staggering statement from BR Bristol Rovers, who were relegated to League Two last season, declined to comment while legal proceedings were ongoing. May not fit in with everyone's shock assessment but little they can do whilst he's still innocent To expand on this, he's been charged by the CPS with assault by beating, and it's going to trial in December. It's "victimless" in so far as that's how outdated terminology works when a victim doesn't want to press charges, it's not victimless in any way in so far as that the allegations are " He allegedly grabbed Mrs Barton by the throat and kicked her in the head outside a property where they had been with two friends" and the CPS are clearly confident of getting a conviction. Bristol Rovers had a number of options available to them - suspending him on full pay pending the outcome of the trial would have been a relatively safe one to take, making absolutely no comment whatsoever was another option. Putting out a short statement which deliberately includes a misleading "victimless" line in order to rally support around a manager going on trial on charges of assault, with previous in this area, is abhorrent behaviour and the club should be absolutely ashamed.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jul 27, 2021 13:42:42 GMT 1
I think Rovers have lost the plot here. How on earth can they think a manager can represent their club in the local community and beyond with two assault charges to be answered? Surely reaction from many of their supporters will cause them to backtrack and suspend him until the legal situation is clear.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 27, 2021 14:44:10 GMT 1
I think Rovers have lost the plot here. How on earth can they think a manager can represent their club in the local community and beyond with two assault charges to be answered? Surely reaction from many of their supporters will cause them to backtrack and suspend him until the legal situation is clear. Certainly not a good situation for any club to be in, especially one just relegated to the basement of the FL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:09:07 GMT 1
Wasn't Chad Evans case also a "victimless crime" as the girl in question didn't want to press charges as she couldn't remember what happened? The CPS didn't cover themselves in glory over that!!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 16:06:53 GMT 1
Wasn't Chad Evans case also a "victimless crime" as the girl in question didn't want to press charges as she couldn't remember what happened? The CPS didn't cover themselves in glory over that!! hardly victimless, an innocent man called Ched Evans spent 2 1/2 years in prison for rape whats her name ? its protected
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 27, 2021 16:08:08 GMT 1
Wasn't Chad Evans case also a "victimless crime" as the girl in question didn't want to press charges as she couldn't remember what happened? The CPS didn't cover themselves in glory over that!! hardly victimless, an innocent man called Ched Evans spent 2 1/2 years in prison for rape whats her name ? its protected Really?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 27, 2021 16:32:04 GMT 1
I thought the ‘joke’ on this thread was embarrassing, but that statement from the club eclipses that and then some. Shame on Bristol Rovers, what a disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:08:19 GMT 1
Wasn't Chad Evans case also a "victimless crime" as the girl in question didn't want to press charges as she couldn't remember what happened? The CPS didn't cover themselves in glory over that!! hardly victimless, an innocent man called Ched Evans spent 2 1/2 years in prison for rape whats her name ? its protected That's why I put the "victimless crime" as so, if you didn't follow. What's her name, as pointed out, did not accuse Evans....EVER. iI was the CPS. Is that plain enough for you???
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 17:13:36 GMT 1
hardly victimless, an innocent man called Ched Evans spent 2 1/2 years in prison for rape whats her name ? its protected That's why I put the "victimless crime" as so, if you didn't follow. What's her name, as pointed out, did not accuse Evans....EVER. iI was the CPS. Is that plain enough for you??? I was agreeing with you but adding the details for those who didnt know
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:22:59 GMT 1
That's why I put the "victimless crime" as so, if you didn't follow. What's her name, as pointed out, did not accuse Evans....EVER. iI was the CPS. Is that plain enough for you??? I was agreeing with you but adding the details for those who didnt know It was the insinuation about "what's her name" that I didn't like. Too often she was held in contempt for no actual reason. Indeed the only people who eventually came out of all this with a criminal record were Evans "so called" supporters who named the woman.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 17:32:56 GMT 1
I was agreeing with you but adding the details for those who didnt know It was the insinuation about "what's her name" that I didn't like. Too often she was held in contempt for no actual reason. Indeed the only people who eventually came out of all this with a criminal record were Evans "so called" supporters who named the woman. I take it you wasn't a Evans supporter then and made your own judgement
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Post by northwestman on Jul 27, 2021 17:44:28 GMT 1
In December 2020, Fleetwood manager Joey Barton announced that Ched Evans had left the club due to " disciplinary reasons".
Pot and kettle come to mind!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:48:41 GMT 1
It was the insinuation about "what's her name" that I didn't like. Too often she was held in contempt for no actual reason. Indeed the only people who eventually came out of all this with a criminal record were Evans "so called" supporters who named the woman. I take it you wasn't a Evans supporter then and made your own judgement Just pointing out that the only people who broke the law were a few Evans supporters. Evans didn't break the law but his actions were despicable. It has been alleged that the CPS/police only continued with the case as it was a high profile footballer. An ordinary member of Joe public they would not have pursued it. Were/Are YOU an Evans supporter?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 19:02:06 GMT 1
I take it you wasn't a Evans supporter then and made your own judgement Just pointing out that the only people who broke the law were a few Evans supporters. Evans didn't break the law but his actions were despicable. It has been alleged that the CPS/police only continued with the case as it was a high profile footballer. An ordinary member of Joe public they would not have pursued it. Were/Are YOU an Evans supporter? I wouldn't know him if he walked past me, didnt care before the trial, during it or after it having looked back at Ched threads, I've made 2 comments in total blueandamber.proboards.com/search/results?captcha_id=captcha_search&where_thread_title=Ched&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=1&search=Searchand all I've done today is report facts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 19:57:12 GMT 1
For someone who doesn't care either way you have made considerable effort to justify that. There again , I find it incredible that you can sit on the fence over Evans' actions. I would suggest that any self respecting person could possibly do so.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jul 27, 2021 20:13:33 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 20:35:36 GMT 1
For someone who doesn't care either way you have made considerable effort to justify that. There again , I find it incredible that you can sit on the fence over Evans' actions. I would suggest that any self respecting person could possibly do so. amazing how you change the goalposts to suit your argument. ;-) You obviously don't know the meaning of alleged. Always innocent until proven guilty is a major tenet of British law and both released on bail...so not so straight forward as your "lynch 'em" attitude would suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 22:30:51 GMT 1
For someone who doesn't care either way you have made considerable effort to justify that. There again , I find it incredible that you can sit on the fence over Evans' actions. I would suggest that any self respecting person could possibly do so. amazing how you change the goalposts to suit your argument. ;-) You obviously don't know the meaning of alleged. Always innocent until proven guilty is a major tenet of British law and both released on bail...so not so straight forward as your "lynch 'em" attitude would suggest. How have I changed the goalposts? I respect that Evans was found eventually not guilty in a court of law. I am accusing you of sitting on the fence concerning his despicable although legal behaviour which he never denied. On His acquittal Evans said “Whilst my innocence has now been established, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise to anyone who might have been affected by the events of the night in question.” Try to keep up.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 27, 2021 23:23:33 GMT 1
amazing how you change the goalposts to suit your argument. ;-) How have I changed the goalposts? I respect that Evans was found eventually not guilty in a court of law. I am accusing you of sitting on the fence concerning his despicable although legal behaviour which he never denied. On His acquittal Evans said “Whilst my innocence has now been established, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise to anyone who might have been affected by the events of the night in question.” Try to keep up. why do I have to keep up ?, did I not mention I no interest before during or after, keep up !
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