|
Post by martinshrew on Jul 23, 2021 11:37:49 GMT 1
Discuss ...
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 23, 2021 12:27:26 GMT 1
Was this point not pushed at the virtual Supporters Parliament? Did it even get a mention?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 13:05:52 GMT 1
If I voted, I would actually answer no in this poll but the reason is the way it is phrased and a simple yes/no. I think all season ticket holders who paid money for their ticket should get the vouchers, in other words this excludes the free ST's which I think are for the under 12's
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Jul 23, 2021 13:06:04 GMT 1
Ive not voted but would have liked other as a choice
My reasoning
4 games + 19 I follow passes = £230ish. ( Oap disabled )
I think the figure should be anyone who spent more than £230 And they should receive a voucher for the full difference of their spend - £230 To be spent on anything at the club
I can’t think of anything more fairer to be honest
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 23, 2021 13:29:45 GMT 1
Ive not voted but would have liked other as a choice My reasoning 4 games + 19 I follow passes = £230ish. ( Oap disabled ) I think the figure should be anyone who spent more than £230 And they should receive a voucher for the full difference of their spend - £230 To be spent on anything at the club I can’t think of anything more fairer to be honest When the club do their calculation they use £20 per game despite what you pay. Also what about multiple STH in one household that got 3 iFollow passes? Which ever way you do it there’s pros and cons, I missed the early bird by 1 day, did ask Brian if he’d allow the early bird price and it was a big NO…
|
|
|
Post by indalo on Jul 23, 2021 13:30:33 GMT 1
If I voted, I would actually answer no in this poll but the reason is the way it is phrased and a simple yes/no. I think all season ticket holders who paid money for their ticket should get the vouchers, in other words this excludes the free ST's which I think are for the under 12's I understand your point but would excluding the kids not be just as discriminatory.They are after all the income stream of the future (hopefully for another 60 years or more).In my opinion the whole thing is a massive own goal by the club and Town fans have memories like elephants, it's bred into them irrespective of age 😜
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 23, 2021 13:34:16 GMT 1
If I voted, I would actually answer no in this poll but the reason is the way it is phrased and a simple yes/no. I think all season ticket holders who paid money for their ticket should get the vouchers, in other words this excludes the free ST's which I think are for the under 12's I understand your point but would excluding the kids not be just as discriminatory.They are after all the income stream of the future (hopefully for another 60 years or more).In my opinion the whole thing is a massive own goal by the club and Town fans have memories like elephants, it's bred into them irrespective of age 😜 Don’t think you can feel hard done by if your ticket cost nothing ?
|
|
|
Post by indalo on Jul 23, 2021 13:49:51 GMT 1
I understand your point but would excluding the kids not be just as discriminatory.They are after all the income stream of the future (hopefully for another 60 years or more).In my opinion the whole thing is a massive own goal by the club and Town fans have memories like elephants, it's bred into them irrespective of age 😜 Don’t think you can feel hard done by if your ticket cost nothing ? I have paid for my ticket (£230 senior early bird) and I don't have any grandkids to bring along yet.I also left my money with the club for the 6 missed games at the end of the season before last and bought a ST for last season.My gripe is not about any personal loss or gain but more about the inconsistency in the treatment of different categories of our loyal and long suffering support.
|
|
|
Post by martinshrew on Jul 23, 2021 13:54:32 GMT 1
To clarify, i'd never expect free STHs to get a voucher book, just everyone who paid for a season ticket.
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2021 13:58:53 GMT 1
Not a simple yes or no, as the inability to use car park passes for half a dozen games in 2019/20 isn't taken into account.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 14:03:53 GMT 1
If I voted, I would actually answer no in this poll but the reason is the way it is phrased and a simple yes/no. I think all season ticket holders who paid money for their ticket should get the vouchers, in other words this excludes the free ST's which I think are for the under 12's I understand your point but would excluding the kids not be just as discriminatory.They are after all the income stream of the future (hopefully for another 60 years or more).In my opinion the whole thing is a massive own goal by the club and Town fans have memories like elephants, it's bred into them irrespective of age 😜 I wouldn't see it as disriminatory, the point is the club are trying to compensate fans, I don't think you have to compensate people who paid nothing. My dad has got a season ticket for my niece for about the last 5 seasons because she is under 12 and it's free. She probably goes to half a dozen games a season max, yes it would be very nice if the club offered a voucher for next season, but if they didn' t then I don't think anyone would complain.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Jul 23, 2021 14:14:17 GMT 1
Ive not voted but would have liked other as a choice My reasoning 4 games + 19 I follow passes = £230ish. ( Oap disabled ) I think the figure should be anyone who spent more than £230 And they should receive a voucher for the full difference of their spend - £230 To be spent on anything at the club I can’t think of anything more fairer to be honest When the club do their calculation they use £20 per game despite what you pay. Also what about multiple STH in one household that got 3 iFollow passes? Which ever way you do it there’s pros and cons, I missed the early bird by 1 day, did ask Brian if he’d allow the early bird price and it was a big NO… But you can’t really offer something as free and then charge twice the face value for it , Matt alwright needs to get on the case 😜
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 23, 2021 14:20:50 GMT 1
Don’t think you can feel hard done by if your ticket cost nothing ? I have paid for my ticket (£230 senior early bird) and I don't have any grandkids to bring along yet.I also left my money with the club for the 6 missed games at the end of the season before last and bought a ST for last season.My gripe is not about any personal loss or gain but more about the inconsistency in the treatment of different categories of our loyal and long suffering support. I was only commenting on ‘would excluding the kids be discriminatory’ the fact that it cost zero I think excludes them from any compensation. I paid for my ticket (£265 senior missed early bird) close but means I actually paid more than adult STH when you take the discount into account (£315 - £78 = £237)….. 🤯
|
|
|
Post by indalo on Jul 23, 2021 14:42:07 GMT 1
I have paid for my ticket (£230 senior early bird) and I don't have any grandkids to bring along yet.I also left my money with the club for the 6 missed games at the end of the season before last and bought a ST for last season.My gripe is not about any personal loss or gain but more about the inconsistency in the treatment of different categories of our loyal and long suffering support. I was only commenting on ‘would excluding the kids be discriminatory’ the fact that it cost zero I think excludes them from any compensation. I paid for my ticket (£265 senior missed early bird) close but means I actually paid more than adult STH when you take the discount into account (£315 - £78 = £237)….. 🤯 Sorry to hear you missed out on the early bird mate, that's really tough dropping £35 for the sake of just one day.Double whammy of no vouchers too for the sake of £5☹️
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 23, 2021 14:43:53 GMT 1
I was only commenting on ‘would excluding the kids be discriminatory’ the fact that it cost zero I think excludes them from any compensation. I paid for my ticket (£265 senior missed early bird) close but means I actually paid more than adult STH when you take the discount into account (£315 - £78 = £237)….. 🤯 Sorry to hear you missed out on the early bird mate, that's really tough dropping £35 for the sake of just one day.Double whammy of no vouchers too for the sake of £5☹️ ‘That’s really tough’ that’s what Brian said 😂
|
|
Shrewsfan1985
The Loggerheads
Posts: 23,707
My first team is..: Shrewsbury
|
Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 23, 2021 23:45:21 GMT 1
In my opinion I think that the club should give free vouchers to all season ticket holders not just those who have paid £270+. That is why I have voted for Yes.
|
|
|
Post by martinshrew on Jul 24, 2021 9:05:44 GMT 1
Discrimination:
"The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability."
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 24, 2021 10:36:00 GMT 1
I think it’s the calculated £270 that gets my goat, I can just see it being discussed as to what the club ‘can get away with’ if it’s all down to Brian’s ‘calculations’ on loss then how’s he differentiated between those that purchased early bird or later on.
Brian actually hit the nail on the head at the SP virtual meeting when he said it’s incredibly difficult. In the latest video he confirms he’s had a number of e mails from seniors but it seems he’s sticking with his poor calculation which again is fully explained. Personally can’t see why the club puts a value of £20 on a game attended when it cost a season ticket holder £13.70.
I think Brian needs to have a rethink otherwise the next SP is just going to be a repeat of the last.
If our representatives could go back to Brian and pass the messages in this thread on it would be appreciated 👍
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 24, 2021 10:58:29 GMT 1
I think it’s the calculated £270 that gets my goat, I can just see it being discussed as to what the club ‘can get away with’ if it’s all down to Brian’s ‘calculations’ on loss then how’s he differentiated between those that purchased early bird or later on. Brian actually hit the nail on the head at the SP virtual meeting when he said it’s incredibly difficult. In the latest video he confirms he’s had a number of e mails from seniors but it seems he’s sticking with his poor calculation which again is fully explained. Personally can’t see why the club puts a value of £20 on a game attended when it cost a season ticket holder £13.70. I think Brian needs to have a rethink otherwise the next SP is just going to be a repeat of the last. If our representatives could go back to Brian and pass the messages in this thread on it would be appreciated 👍 That’s true, the calculations are bonkers but we all know why. The value I got for my season ticket; 4x13.70=£54.80 19x10=£190 54.80+190=£244.80 Plus multiple people in same households who would’ve split the money for the ifollow streams. So why was £270 set? To make sure pensioners weren’t part of the offer unless they paid Cat A at the very last pricing section. The club will obviously know how many are included in this group, single figures, maybe even nobody at all? I’ll just tuck into my nice burger at the Burton game and flick my v’s to the hungry pensioners in blocks 1&2 shall I? It’s what the club would’ve wanted.
|
|
|
Post by martinshrew on Jul 24, 2021 11:17:33 GMT 1
I think it’s the calculated £270 that gets my goat, I can just see it being discussed as to what the club ‘can get away with’ if it’s all down to Brian’s ‘calculations’ on loss then how’s he differentiated between those that purchased early bird or later on. Brian actually hit the nail on the head at the SP virtual meeting when he said it’s incredibly difficult. In the latest video he confirms he’s had a number of e mails from seniors but it seems he’s sticking with his poor calculation which again is fully explained. Personally can’t see why the club puts a value of £20 on a game attended when it cost a season ticket holder £13.70. I think Brian needs to have a rethink otherwise the next SP is just going to be a repeat of the last. If our representatives could go back to Brian and pass the messages in this thread on it would be appreciated 👍 That’s true, the calculations are bonkers but we all know why. The value I got for my season ticket; 4x13.70=£54.80 19x10=£190 54.80+190=£244.80 Plus multiple people in same households who would’ve split the money for the ifollow streams. So why was £270 set? To make sure pensioners weren’t part of the offer unless they paid Cat A at the very last pricing section. The club will obviously know how many are included in this group, single figures, maybe even nobody at all? I’ll just tuck into my nice burger at the Burton game and flick my v’s to the hungry pensioners in blocks 1&2 shall I? It’s what the club would’ve wanted. I can hear the pensioners singing out of blocks 1 & 2 pointing up at Roland ... " do we mean **** all to you, do we mean **** all to you, do we mean, do we mean, do we mean **** all to you"
|
|
|
Post by DiglisShrew on Jul 24, 2021 12:13:27 GMT 1
In Brian’s latest update he appears to be saying that the club are not being unfair to seniors by not awarding them vouchers but being fair to everyone else by not doing so !! 🤔🙄
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 24, 2021 12:16:17 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by martinshrew on Jul 24, 2021 12:35:17 GMT 1
In Brian’s latest update he appears to be saying that the club are not being unfair to seniors by not awarding them vouchers but being fair to everyone else by not doing so !! 🤔🙄 Makes zero sense. Just say what you really thought Brian in that the pensioners have less outgoings/responsibilities on average and are less likely to kick up a fuss for a refund/voucher. To have a crap offer is one thing, a crap offer with your OAPs & disabled excluded is another thing altogether. Doesn't look good at all on the club this.
|
|
|
Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 24, 2021 12:50:37 GMT 1
I suppose we should cut Brian some slack. After all, he isn't Juan of us is he? If some some Juan offered to double his salary he'd be gone like a shot. Whereas, if I was offered a seat in the directors box at Old Trafford and £100 a game to attend, you'd still find me sitting on the same plastic seat at the Meddah with the constant drip of water coming down on me when it rains.
|
|
|
Post by DiglisShrew on Jul 24, 2021 13:09:01 GMT 1
I suppose we should cut Brian some slack. After all, he isn't Juan of us is he? If some some Juan offered to double his salary he'd be gone like a shot. Whereas, if I was offered a seat in the directors box at Old Trafford and £100 a game to attend, you'd still find me sitting on the same plastic seat at the Meddah with the constant drip of water coming down on me when it rains. I hope this is “ ” as while I believe he’s totally wrong in the decision on vouchers he certainly done far more for fans of the club than any of his predecessors
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 24, 2021 13:25:21 GMT 1
Not a simple yes or no, as the inability to use car park passes for half a dozen games in 2019/20 isn't taken into account. Different topic
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2021 13:48:55 GMT 1
Mr Caldwell has completely airbrushed out from that interview the issue of half a dozen unused car park passes in season 2019/20.
Disagree with his decision on vouchers too, though had I qualified for them I'd probably have returned them, as I can envisage chaos in the concourses with fans trying to cash them.
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2021 13:52:29 GMT 1
Not a simple yes or no, as the inability to use car park passes for half a dozen games in 2019/20 isn't taken into account. Different topic I'd say it is linked, in that it is part of the losses incurred by supporters over the last 2 seasons, which presumably the vouchers offer is supposed to address.
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Jul 24, 2021 13:57:28 GMT 1
I'd say it is linked, in that it is part of the losses incurred by supporters over the last 2 seasons, which presumably the vouchers offer is supposed to address. No it’s not. It’s compensation for last seasons STH and the free drink voucher (see the poll question).. previous season was covered by offering a refund or name appearing on a wall….you’ve got a valid point about your voucher have you e miles Brian? Cant see polls lasting long 😂
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 24, 2021 13:59:44 GMT 1
I'd say it is linked, in that it is part of the losses incurred by supporters over the last 2 seasons, which presumably the vouchers offer is supposed to address. No it’s not. It’s compensation for last seasons STH and the free drink voucher (see the poll question).. you’ve got a valid point have you e miler Brian? Whether it’s linked or not these people should be reimbursed without quibble.
|
|