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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 16, 2021 21:52:44 GMT 1
A cashless society terrifies me. We on a one way path to every single transaction being tracked and being in a situation that we could be left without money with a click of a mouse. Use cash whenever possible or face the consequences. What terrifies you? Every single transaction being recorded. Another step towards losing all our privacy. All it takes is the government to sanction us for not doing something they want or doing something that they deem we should not. Universal basic income is already being trailed in Wales. Once the economy is well and truly screwed with constant lockdowns we will all rely on the UBI which will give the government even more power. Speak to anyone who has had the unfortunate pleasure of being on job seekers allowance over the last 10 years how easy it is to be sanctioned which left them with zero income. I expect a system similar to the social credit score in China to be introduced here at one point and I believe going cashless is another step towards that. www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?op=1&r=US&IR=TIf you do not believe a system like that would be brought over here just have a think about some of the BS restrictions the majority have accepted over the last 18 months.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 16, 2021 21:58:02 GMT 1
Use contactless for everything possible. Card for the rest
Cash is outdated
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 16, 2021 22:14:46 GMT 1
A cashless sociaty terrifies me. We on a one way path to every single transaction being tracked and being in a situation that we could be left without money with a click of a mouse. Use cash whenever possible or face the consequences. What terrifies you? Probably (like me) he wants to decide how he spends his own money. Really dont see any problem in that I'm not happy to provide my contact details for much longer either. Big brother needs to be told to " do one" sometimes.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 17, 2021 10:14:48 GMT 1
Have people seen the changes to pay at pump payments recently brought in by Sainsburys and Tesco?
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 17, 2021 10:32:38 GMT 1
Probably (like me) he wants to decide how he spends his own money. Really dont see any problem in that I'm not happy to provide my contact details for much longer either. Big brother needs to be told to " do one" sometimes. You don't have to if you use the NHS check in app 👍
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 17, 2021 11:07:22 GMT 1
Have people seen the changes to pay at pump payments recently brought in by Sainsburys and Tesco? No, what have they done? It’s about time pay at the pumps became fully contactless.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 17, 2021 11:10:15 GMT 1
Have people seen the changes to pay at pump payments recently brought in by Sainsburys and Tesco? No, what have they done? It’s about time pay at the pumps became fully contactless. I'm used to these machines taking £1 initially. Apparently they will take £100 from you initially and then pay back any difference in what you spend. The suggestion from Sainsburys customers is that this is not immediate.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 17, 2021 11:14:23 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 18, 2021 0:27:48 GMT 1
This is what you coul get with a central bank issued digital currency rather than ubiquitious cashless payment. If the cebtral bank issued currency directly to people this would mean that we woul all have accounts with the Bank of England. In theory this would allow your account to be creditted with currency that could be used to prohibit purchases of certain things, or allow the purchase of things not available to other people. Of course that happens today, but the only virtue you need to display is having a large enough credit in your account.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 18, 2021 11:50:05 GMT 1
Hmmmm if only we had some sort of halfway house technology that would allow you to make an instant payment from your account or on credit only without that information bring immediately available to central government and either having to use physical cash. I know! We could call them " debit and credit cards". We could even fo payment apps for people with smart phones. Be right back, off to pitch this on Dragon's Den.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 18, 2021 16:00:36 GMT 1
Hmmmm if only we had some sort of halfway house technology that would allow you to make an instant payment from your account or on credit only without that information bring immediately available to central government and either having to use physical cash. I know! We could call them " debit and credit cards". We could even fo payment apps for people with smart phones. Be right back, off to pitch this on Dragon's Den. I know you're attempting to be comical but the fact you believe a bank account is some confidential secret that nobody can access and that will never change is extremely nieve.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 18, 2021 16:08:09 GMT 1
Why do you need top secret untraceable purchases as a consumer, unless you’re buying drugs or guns? Bill Gates or MI5 aren’t going to care that you bought The Daily Mail and a loaf of bread in your local Co-Op
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Post by Pilch on Jun 18, 2021 16:26:26 GMT 1
Why do you need top secret untraceable purchases as a consumer, unless you’re buying drugs or guns? Bill Gates or MI5 aren’t going to care that you bought The Daily Mail and a loaf of bread in your local Co-Op I'd hate to see cash vanish but sometimes a cashless transaction being recorded has saved the day for products that have later gone wrong, and once came in handy to my insurance company after my bike was stolen
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 19, 2021 8:55:05 GMT 1
Why do you need top secret untraceable purchases as a consumer, unless you’re buying drugs or guns? Bill Gates or MI5 aren’t going to care that you bought The Daily Mail and a loaf of bread in your local Co-Op Ahh the old if you have nothing to hide what's the problem with giving up your privacy statement.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2021 9:18:33 GMT 1
Why do you need top secret untraceable purchases as a consumer, unless you’re buying drugs or guns? Bill Gates or MI5 aren’t going to care that you bought The Daily Mail and a loaf of bread in your local Co-Op Ahh the old if you have nothing to hide what's the problem with giving up your privacy statement. Same arguments that have been used to promote ID cards and a DNA database.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 19, 2021 9:33:33 GMT 1
imagine how much safer the country would be, if we all carried ID, had our DNA collected and cctv covered everywhere
some people however still want the option to attempt a crime and get away with it ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2021 10:12:10 GMT 1
imagine how much safer the country would be, if we all carried ID, had our DNA collected and cctv covered everywhere some people however still want the option to attempt a crime and get away with it ;-) Freedom, it's what those world wars were about saving.
Can you not see the downsides? Already, shopping centres are starting to use facial recognution technology to identify you and target you with on screen adverts for stuff you like.
Personally, I have gone cashless - but that's because I just don't have any cash.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 19, 2021 13:03:13 GMT 1
Hmmmm if only we had some sort of halfway house technology that would allow you to make an instant payment from your account or on credit only without that information bring immediately available to central government and either having to use physical cash. I know! We could call them " debit and credit cards". We could even fo payment apps for people with smart phones. Be right back, off to pitch this on Dragon's Den. I know you're attempting to be comical but the fact you believe a bank account is some confidential secret that nobody can access and that will never change is extremely nieve. That's as may be but if we ever get to the point where the government starts indiscriminately surveilling the bank accounts of its citizens they're likely to have already cut off cash for the same reason; this is the " digital currency" scenario referred to above. I don't doubt that providers do illegally pass on info but it's heavily regulated and there are penalties involved; look at the boom in supermarkets offering current accounts a little while back for example. The fact you apparently think buying things with cash in the most surveilled country on earth will somehow grant you anonymity is the definition of naivety. A cash sale is still a sale and will likely be recorded at the point of purchase where there are also likely dozens of images of you making the purchase. The only way to 100% guarantee anonymity is to do a deal for cash is to do it off the books somewhere where nobody can see and then that just raises the same questions about why the rest of us should duffer the consequences of tax evasion just so you can indulge your paranoid fantasies.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 23, 2021 8:05:06 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 23, 2021 8:27:07 GMT 1
Don't forget you need tp change all those £50 notes that keep you sleeping safely stuffed in your matress. The Alan Turing note is coming in and they old ones will only be legal tender until October nect year
Is the design change an attempt to flush out where all rhose £50 notes are, or just the continuation of introducing "plastic" money?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 23, 2021 8:30:38 GMT 1
I would do exactly the same as those customers they highlight - if my cash was refused I would walk away too, and not return.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2021 8:38:16 GMT 1
Ahh the old if you have nothing to hide what's the problem with giving up your privacy statement. Same arguments that have been used to promote ID cards and a DNA database. Yes just imagine every crime solved and no I’d fraud 👍
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2021 8:43:26 GMT 1
Don't forget you need tp change all those £50 notes that keep you sleeping safely stuffed in your matress. The Alan Turing note is coming in and they old ones will only be legal tender until October nect year
Is the design change an attempt to flush out where all rhose £50 notes are, or just the continuation of introducing "plastic" money? It’s the later but you’ll never loose out if you don’t spend them ALL old currency still exchanged for legal at any bank 👍
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 23, 2021 9:22:05 GMT 1
Why do you need top secret untraceable purchases as a consumer, unless you’re buying drugs or guns? Bill Gates or MI5 aren’t going to care that you bought The Daily Mail and a loaf of bread in your local Co-Op Ahh the old if you have nothing to hide what's the problem with giving up your privacy statement. It's highly like you use a smartphone. Your privacy was gone the moment you switched it on.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2021 9:25:25 GMT 1
Ahh the old if you have nothing to hide what's the problem with giving up your privacy statement. It's highly like you use a smartphone. Your privacy was gone the moment you switched it on. Has it ever caused yo a problem?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 23, 2021 12:35:07 GMT 1
It's highly like you use a smartphone. Your privacy was gone the moment you switched it on. Has it ever caused yo a problem? My phone knows absolutely everything about me and listens to me constantly. I'd probably rather it didn't, but hey ho. Same with cards, the bank/government know I spend too much in pubs and have too many McDs, but who cares?!
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2021 13:28:01 GMT 1
Has it ever caused yo a problem? My phone knows absolutely everything about me and listens to me constantly. I'd probably rather it didn't, but hey ho. Same with cards, the bank/government know I spend too much in pubs and have too many McDs, but who cares?! Question is has anyone every bothered to look what you or I do or where we spend our money. Simple answer NO…. Now if you were into organised crime, people trafficking or terrorism maybe seeing what you’d spent and bought and where would come in useful?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 23, 2021 14:36:59 GMT 1
imagine how much safer the country would be, if we all carried ID, had our DNA collected and cctv covered everywhere some people however still want the option to attempt a crime and get away with it ;-) Sounds like you’d be happy in North Korea.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 23, 2021 15:03:45 GMT 1
imagine how much safer the country would be, if we all carried ID, had our DNA collected and cctv covered everywhere some people however still want the option to attempt a crime and get away with it ;-) It only bothers people who either have something to hide or are just utterly paranoid. It'll be the same people telling you the great reset is happening 😴
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Post by vladimir on Jun 23, 2021 15:53:55 GMT 1
Have people seen the changes to pay at pump payments recently brought in by Sainsburys and Tesco? Just reading this and it is utter insanity. Figure the poor sod who has £100 in their account. Pays a tenner for fuel. Has the 'pre authorisation check' hold £100, trundles off to buy food from said supermarket only to have their card declined. Utter madness.
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