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Post by northwestman on Jun 1, 2021 11:28:03 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9639417/Oxfordshire-smoke-free-county-England.htmlOxfordshire is set become the first county in England to ban smoking outdoors as the Government's roadmap out of lockdown comes to an end. The county, which has unveiled plans to be the first region in the country to go smoke-free by the year 2025, will crack down on smoking later this month, with outdoor dining areas and workplace break spots as the top targets to go smoke-free. The ban, which has been described as a 'long game' to change smoking culture, aims to prevent deaths from diseases linked to tobacco. As someone who in earlier years has had to put up with smoke infested workplaces, trains, pubs and outdoor spectator areas then I'm all for this. But what are others' views?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 1, 2021 11:36:15 GMT 1
I have to say that in my opinion that is a great idea.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 1, 2021 11:41:29 GMT 1
I agree. Passive smoking is a dangerous thing. It’s a habit that does affect others and their health.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 1, 2021 11:49:58 GMT 1
I agree as an occasional smoker happy to do it in my own garden…. Can’t see an argument against this
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 12:54:00 GMT 1
I'm sure there are people out there who would be up in arms about this.
Not me. As a former smoker I get sick of passing people who polluting the air with this poison.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:06:11 GMT 1
I'm sure there are people out there who would be up in arms about this. Not me. As a former smoker I get sick of passing people who polluting the air with this poison. Well, so far no one's showed up to object, perhaps they are still having their morning coughing bout?
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Post by MetaShrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:21:24 GMT 1
A promising development.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:24:49 GMT 1
Good news for me, a lifetime nonsmoker. Nothing worse than sitting outside having a drink or some food at a pub and the table next door is like a full blown chimney.
But what about such things as designated smoking areas for workplaces, pubs etc etc?? And are bbq's the next thing to be banned??
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Post by secretshrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:48:41 GMT 1
Getting people to adopt healthier habits is mainly about changing the environment around them. Creating more old school fruit and veg shops and stopping BK, Maccy D’s and fast food shops from developing on every corner is another step that council’s should adopt, especially when some of these massive conglomerates pay zero tax but contribute towards obesity and ultimately a strain upon the NHS.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 1, 2021 13:52:16 GMT 1
Neutral on this. I'm a lifetime non-smoker too, barring the odd cigar and even rarer cigarette (about 5 in my entire life) but I'm not too fussed about outdoor smokers, it's nothing like the health and hygiene issue it was when indoor public smoking was allowed.
I'm more exercised by drivers leaving their engines running when stationary, just to keep the bloody heater or aircon going. That's such a selfish habit, damaging others and adding a bit extra to global heating so that you can be a bit warmer or cooler. People having bonfires and causing unnecessary smoke, or burning inappropriate materials in stoves or open fires, are also a greater health hazard to others.
And that's what we're talking about, isn't it, the effect on others? If the primary concern was the health of smokers we'd just ban smoking altogether, or tax it to an unaffordable extent (which is probably easier to do, post-brexit).
Has smoking in vehicles been banned, at least if others (especially children) are present? I remember a debate around this but don't know if anything actually changed.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:55:08 GMT 1
I'd stick £15 a pack on fags, idiots would still buy them and the extra tax could be put to good use.
The government would do well to legalise cannabis, the tax rewards would be wholesome and it's readily available everywhere anyway which makes a mockery of it being "illegal".
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 1, 2021 14:15:18 GMT 1
I'd stick £15 a pack on fags, idiots would still buy them and the extra tax could be put to good use. The government would do well to legalise cannabis, the tax rewards would be wholesome and it's readily available everywhere anyway which makes a mockery of it being "illegal". I was about to mention cannabis, I rarely smell tobacco smoke on the street but cannabis smoke is all around. The ban on indoor smoking came in about 13 years ago, I was a smoker at the time and resented the ban. But as I mainly smoked in the pub or on the terraces I gave up as there was nowhere I could smoke and now I find the smell of cigarette smoke repulsive. I still enjoy smelling the smoke when a cigar smoker passes though.
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Jun 1, 2021 14:21:50 GMT 1
What about smokers who only smoke when they have a pint? I’ve a good friend who goes for the a pint once or twice a week and only smokes then. He’s fit and healthy otherwise so I don’t get this really so as a non-smoker I’m staying neutral on this.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 1, 2021 14:34:42 GMT 1
What about smokers who only smoke when they have a pint? I’ve a good friend who goes for the a pint once or twice a week and only smokes then. He’s fit and healthy otherwise so I don’t get this really so as a non-smoker I’m staying neutral on this. I just dont really get that combination these days (though I'm a non smoker). Back in the day you could sit there with a relaxing pint and a relaxing fag as well. But these days you cant do both together, you have to go outside and be detached from your beer to indulge. Its great for all the others inside that no longer have to smoke your fag as well, but I cant see the attraction to have to go outside, often in cold and wet conditions to 'enjoy'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 17:16:16 GMT 1
As a smoker, it would appear people forget its an addiction, however i take the point of polluting other people airspace, and so on, but please remember its an addiction.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 1, 2021 17:50:02 GMT 1
I'm sure there are people out there who would be up in arms about this. Not me. As a former smoker I get sick of passing people who polluting the air with this poison. can I do my former smoker joke again ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 1, 2021 18:31:49 GMT 1
I'm sure there are people out there who would be up in arms about this. Not me. As a former smoker I get sick of passing people who polluting the air with this poison. can I do my former smoker joke again ? Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 1, 2021 19:32:59 GMT 1
As a smoker, it would appear people forget its an addiction, however i take the point of polluting other people airspace, and so on, but please remember its an addiction. I smoked for about 40 years and I must say that giving up was hard, I got strong urges to have a cigarette for several years after giving up. Not being able to smoke in the pub made it easier though.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 1, 2021 19:33:44 GMT 1
I'm sure there are people out there who would be up in arms about this. Not me. As a former smoker I get sick of passing people who polluting the air with this poison. can I do my former smoker joke again ? Not if it's the one about smoking after sex.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 2, 2021 19:04:52 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 3, 2021 6:15:34 GMT 1
Good grief there are some sanctimonious posts on this thread.
I'm a smoker and have been for over 40 years and I respect anyone that has managed to kick the habit, but IMO there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker b***hing about other people smoking.
I have tried to quit in the past and I will no doubt try again, but I'm trying to lose weight at the moment and that's more important for now.
I can't see the ban on workplace or pub smoking areas or even beer gardens happening when cars, vans and trucks are spewing out many times the pollution every second of the day.
The smoking rate in this country is falling, as are the smoking related deaths. Alcohol related deaths rose by over 16% last year and much of that rise was down to alcoholic liver disease, long term damage, rather than short term caused by Covid and the restrictions.
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Post by servernaside on Jun 3, 2021 19:01:13 GMT 1
I have never smoked, but think that this plan would be more at home in North Korea.
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Post by barrynic on Jun 3, 2021 19:31:43 GMT 1
I have never smoked and think it is a great idea....and I hope it is implemented all over the country.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 3, 2021 20:05:20 GMT 1
Good grief there are some sanctimonious posts on this thread.
I'm a smoker and have been for over 40 years and I respect anyone that has managed to kick the habit, but IMO there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker b***hing about other people smoking.
I have tried to quit in the past and I will no doubt try again, but I'm trying to lose weight at the moment and that's more important for now.
I can't see the ban on workplace or pub smoking areas or even beer gardens happening when cars, vans and trucks are spewing out many times the pollution every second of the day.
The smoking rate in this country is falling, as are the smoking related deaths. Alcohol related deaths rose by over 16% last year and much of that rise was down to alcoholic liver disease, long term damage, rather than short term caused by Covid and the restrictions.
I concur. I'm not a smoker but don't see the problem with people having a fag outside at a pub.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 3, 2021 21:37:57 GMT 1
As an ex smoker I think this is an awful idea. Slowly but surely we are becoming a nanny state. We wouldn't be allowed to break wind soon!
If someone wants to smoke and they are not invading others personal space with their smoke then they are not harming anyone. Making them a criminal is wrong.
I don't buy the "looking after peoples health" BS around this. If the government cared about peoples health there are 1000s of better ideas. For example, make fresh fruit and veg cheaper (lower tax), stop fast food outlets providing such unhealthy foods, crack down on all the chemicals that are used in processed foods.
The sugar tax is another example. Hike tax up on sugary drinks for nothing more than ££££ because they are popular. If they was really bothered about peoples health they would use the extra tax to reduce the tax on healthier drinks.
The "clean air area" that we keep hearing about in Birmingham is another con. Just because someone has a certain type of car they have to pay a charge? yet their is no benefit to people that drive more eco friendly cars other than the fact they don't have to pay the new charge.
Anyone that thinks the government give two s**ts about peoples health is delusional.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 3, 2021 22:35:11 GMT 1
can I do my former smoker joke again ? Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on. oh ok then there is no such thing as a former smoker they are still smokers I mean, had they given up killing people 10 years ago wouldn't they still be a killer ?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 3, 2021 22:39:13 GMT 1
Good grief there are some sanctimonious posts on this thread.
I'm a smoker and have been for over 40 years and I respect anyone that has managed to kick the habit, but IMO there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker b***hing about other people smoking.
I have tried to quit in the past and I will no doubt try again, but I'm trying to lose weight at the moment and that's more important for now.
I can't see the ban on workplace or pub smoking areas or even beer gardens happening when cars, vans and trucks are spewing out many times the pollution every second of the day.
The smoking rate in this country is falling, as are the smoking related deaths. Alcohol related deaths rose by over 16% last year and much of that rise was down to alcoholic liver disease, long term damage, rather than short term caused by Covid and the restrictions.
I'm trying to lose weight too maybe if it up smoking ?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 25, 2021 22:10:27 GMT 1
Good news for me, a lifetime nonsmoker. Nothing worse than sitting outside having a drink or some food at a pub and the table next door is like a full blown chimney. But what about such things as designated smoking areas for workplaces, pubs etc etc?? And are bbq's the next thing to be banned?? I totally agree with you how about designated infection areas
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 26, 2021 13:14:14 GMT 1
Good grief there are some sanctimonious posts on this thread.
I'm a smoker and have been for over 40 years and I respect anyone that has managed to kick the habit, but IMO there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker b***hing about other people smoking.
I have tried to quit in the past and I will no doubt try again, but I'm trying to lose weight at the moment and that's more important for now.
I can't see the ban on workplace or pub smoking areas or even beer gardens happening when cars, vans and trucks are spewing out many times the pollution every second of the day.
The smoking rate in this country is falling, as are the smoking related deaths. Alcohol related deaths rose by over 16% last year and much of that rise was down to alcoholic liver disease, long term damage, rather than short term caused by Covid and the restrictions.
An interesting take on the issue, Neil, one with which I find myself in agreement....sanctimony is rife on this board at the moment, as I have pointed out. In all honesty, it occurs to me that this proposed measure does not go even remotely far enough: if we are talking about practices which cause, or have the potential to cause, harm to other individuals, whatever the precise circumstances may be, I think that all contact sport, including football, should be banned forthwith, and any financial benefit derived therefrom should be redistributed to those engaged in mending human bodies resulting from participating in such disgusting practices; it should be no defence to argue whether such participation is voluntary or not....all such things must cease NOW....their mere existence is an affront to human dignity and respect for others.....
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Post by albionshrew on Jul 26, 2021 13:25:53 GMT 1
As a non-smoker the odd sniff of a cigarette doesn't bother me. What I can't stand is the stench of vapes. Utterly revolting smell.
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