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Post by Pilch on Jul 11, 2022 14:51:08 GMT 1
the difference is i'll have a look at the runners and see who i fancy and then judge them on what they achieve or don't you already have a rock in each hand waiting for someone to point out who to throw it at in the meantime just practice throwing them at me 😜 I thought naming your preferred candidate was simple? Not so for some 😂 good comeback although it wasn't the real motive of my question, it was to prove that most anti tories don't care, they just want to start the new witch hunt fair play to you for actually naming a candidate  |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 14:51:54 GMT 1
Why's it up to those of us who didn't vote for this government to name a preferred candidate? It'd be pointless me doing so, given I don't believe the party they represent should be in power anymore and disagree with them on a number of key party level policy areas. Shouldn't it be up to those of you who are happy for the tories to remain in power to sell us on the benefits of whoever your preferred candidate is? I'm hearing a lot of "bet you'll just moan about whoever gets in"; I've yet to see a single even vaguely credible argument from any source for why I should be remotely pleased about any of the candidates becoming prime minister. i knew the question was too hard 😜 i knew the answer before i posted it too the answer is don't name anyone because it will hinder your witch-hunt when they win the vote 😜 we have a lot of correct answers , might have to set a tie breaker later 😜 Well, that is the answer we got from you. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 11, 2022 15:02:41 GMT 1
I don’t expect to hear any of the candidates who vow to cut taxes, to confirm that they’ll also be cutting services. Zahawi just has! Have they really not learnt their lesson yet? Just reads like yet more short termist thinking to be honest; might play well with hardliners and some of the press but if he actually follows through it's just storing up yet more division and longer term problems for society. Think that's Zahawi's CV firmly lodged in the bin for me. Next up? |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 11, 2022 15:07:40 GMT 1
I thought naming your preferred candidate was simple? Not so for some 😂 good comeback although it wasn't the real motive of my question, it was to prove that most anti tories don't care, they just want to start the new witch hunt fair play to you for actually naming a candidate Just want an honest PM, you still haven’t named one…. PS I may change my mind if he turns out to be dishonest…he’s half French but hey live and let live 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 15:29:18 GMT 1
I'm disappointed that Ben Wallace is not standing. I've been very impressed with him whenever I've seen him being interviewed on TV.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 15:38:29 GMT 1
I don’t expect to hear any of the candidates who vow to cut taxes, to confirm that they’ll also be cutting services. Zahawi just has! First thing to cut back on will be those pesky HMRC inspectors 
He's just saying what his target audience like - it's something he won't get measured on and will be on the back burner as we get closer to the next election.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 15:42:46 GMT 1
I'm disappointed that Ben Wallace is not standing. I've been very impressed with him whenever I've seen him being interviewed on TV. That's the trouble with politics, the impressive ones have more sense than to put themselves up for PM, especially a two and bit year gig that leads to your being discarded if you don't win the next election. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 11, 2022 15:52:01 GMT 1
Just seen a Times poll which has "none of the above" and " don't know" way out in front amongst the British public (30% and 28% respectively).
Amongst tory members, Ben Wallace is the preferred candidate on 13% (although he is now not running) followed by Penny Mordant and, er, "none of the above" on 12%. 9% of members responded " don't know".
Nobody is very enthusiastic about the current crop it seems.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 11, 2022 15:53:59 GMT 1
good comeback although it wasn't the real motive of my question, it was to prove that most anti tories don't care, they just want to start the new witch hunt fair play to you for actually naming a candidate Just want an honest PM, you still haven’t named one…. PS I may change my mind if he turns out to be dishonest…he’s half French but hey live and let live 👍 personally I'd like to see them all compete this in a series of the apprentice with Alan sugar kicking one off each week , pop me on the 1922 fruit gum company I'll arrange some fun ;-) |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 11, 2022 16:50:32 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11001635/Tory-MP-Jamie-Wallis-faces-trial-today-accused-driving-offences-smashing-lamppost.htmlTransgender Conservative MP Jamie Wallis has been banned from the road for six months and fined £2,500 after crashing his Mercedes while wearing high heels and a black leather PVC mini-skirt, a trial heard today. Mr Wallis, who has represented Bridgend since 2019, was found guilty of failing to stop, failing to report the collision, and leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position after hitting a lamppost on Church Road in Llanblethian, South Wales, on November 28. Wallis claims he left the scene of the crash out of fear he would be 'raped, killed or kidnapped' due to post-traumatic stress disorder which he developed after being raped in September. He was arrested the morning after the crash on suspicion of 'driving whilst unfit'. Hmmm. Positively surreal!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 16:53:47 GMT 1
Just want an honest PM, you still haven’t named one…. PS I may change my mind if he turns out to be dishonest…he’s half French but hey live and let live 👍 personally I'd like to see them all compete this in a series of the apprentice with Alan sugar kicking one off each week , pop me on the 1922 fruit gum company I'll arrange some fun ;-) If you need to have somebody not connected with British politics as the "master" then a Mr Trump is available... |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 11, 2022 16:55:12 GMT 1
One thing that can be said about today’s Tory Party - they sure know how to pick ‘em!!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 16:57:18 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11001635/Tory-MP-Jamie-Wallis-faces-trial-today-accused-driving-offences-smashing-lamppost.htmlTransgender Conservative MP Jamie Wallis has been banned from the road for six months and fined £2,500 after crashing his Mercedes while wearing high heels and a black leather PVC mini-skirt, a trial heard today. Mr Wallis, who has represented Bridgend since 2019, was found guilty of failing to stop, failing to report the collision, and leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position after hitting a lamppost on Church Road in Llanblethian, South Wales, on November 28. Wallis claims he left the scene of the crash out of fear he would be 'raped, killed or kidnapped' due to post-traumatic stress disorder which he developed after being raped in September. He was arrested the morning after the crash on suspicion of 'driving whilst unfit'. Hmmm. Positively surreal! His/her downfall was all down to not following the rule any women will tell you. they all do it, keep some flat shoes in the car - don't drive in high heels! Silly girl/boy. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 11, 2022 17:06:05 GMT 1
I just wish Bill Cash was running. He was one of very few Tories I have any respect for. Always stuck to his guns although I never agreed with him. The rest of the candidates are just chancers and preaching to the party and not to the country which is what they should be doing. We would also have a leader to match the ages of those in power in the USA.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 11, 2022 17:06:40 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11001635/Tory-MP-Jamie-Wallis-faces-trial-today-accused-driving-offences-smashing-lamppost.htmlTransgender Conservative MP Jamie Wallis has been banned from the road for six months and fined £2,500 after crashing his Mercedes while wearing high heels and a black leather PVC mini-skirt, a trial heard today. Mr Wallis, who has represented Bridgend since 2019, was found guilty of failing to stop, failing to report the collision, and leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position after hitting a lamppost on Church Road in Llanblethian, South Wales, on November 28. Wallis claims he left the scene of the crash out of fear he would be 'raped, killed or kidnapped' due to post-traumatic stress disorder which he developed after being raped in September. He was arrested the morning after the crash on suspicion of 'driving whilst unfit'. Hmmm. Positively surreal! His/her downfall was all down to not following the rule any women will tell you. they all do it, keep some flat shoes in the car - don't drive in high heels! Silly girl/boy. High heels are often used as weapons I believe. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 17:15:02 GMT 1
His/her downfall was all down to not following the rule any women will tell you. they all do it, keep some flat shoes in the car - don't drive in high heels! Silly girl/boy. High heels are often used as weapons I believe. There you are then, in flat shoes he/she would be in more control of the car and he/she would have had a handy weapon to hand to cut the fear about being 'raped, killed or kidnapped'. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 11, 2022 19:45:55 GMT 1
was watching earlier and the guy that looks like an alien from Salems lot, he is saying all the right things, but I don't like it, looks so fake and false, spoke about him last week, he's kissing too much arse and its embarrassing, forget the MPs speak past them to the nation to me and you, its us that matters chap
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 11, 2022 21:14:21 GMT 1
I definitely 100% don't want:
- Zahawi
- Hunt
- Javid
- Shapps
I wouldn't be overly thrilled with:
- Badenoch
- Sunak
- Patel
- Chisthi
Zahawi is making a right penis of himself, offering alsorts and saying alsorts. Sunak was doing a good job in the pandemic but he's gone off in the wrong direction for me. Hunt, Shapps & Javid just aren't for me at all. I'm indifferent about Patel personally, although I think in general she's quite unpopular across the country so wouldn't appeal to a broad spectrum of voters. I don't find too much inspiration for Chisthi or Badenoch, I think they'll fall away fast and get behind somewhere else.
Tugendhat & Mordaunt are leading it for me at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 6:24:47 GMT 1
I definitely 100% don't want: - Zahawi - Hunt - Javid - Shapps I wouldn't be overly thrilled with: - Badenoch - Sunak - Patel - Chisthi Zahawi is making a right penis of himself, offering alsorts and saying alsorts. Sunak was doing a good job in the pandemic but he's gone off in the wrong direction for me. Hunt, Shapps & Javid just aren't for me at all. I'm indifferent about Patel personally, although I think in general she's quite unpopular across the country so wouldn't appeal to a broad spectrum of voters. I don't find too much inspiration for Chisthi or Badenoch, I think they'll fall away fast and get behind somewhere else. Tugendhat & Mordaunt are leading it for me at this point. As you know I'm quite a way apart from you politically, but either of these two would be least worst option for the country, moderate and sane enough to bring back some form of dignity to the office of PM.
As a Labour supporter and member either of these would be a disaster for us, because they would be able to regain the disenfranchised Tory voters who didn't turn out in places like North Shropshire and Tiverton and Honiton.
The sleaze, corruption and downright disgrace that Johnson and his lackeys have forced the country to endure has not tainted these two very much at all, so a reasonably clean slate is possible.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 12, 2022 7:08:13 GMT 1
was watching earlier and the guy that looks like an alien from Salems lot, he is saying all the right things, but I don't like it, looks so fake and false, spoke about him last week, he's kissing too much arse and its embarrassing, forget the MPs speak past them to the nation to me and you, its us that matters chap This is the problem though pilch, that isn't how it works. "The nation" doesn't matter at this point, it's what the tory Party members think that counts. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 12, 2022 7:13:20 GMT 1
You start.... I've said Tugenhat from the limited I know but may change as more I fis released In the absence of Ben Wallace standing, Kemi Badenoch probably stands out as being the most 'interesting' for me. Yeah, if this not time around I think these two will have a significant part to play in the Tory party at some point in the future. I think both come across well. I certainly think Badenoch's time will come but she may just miss out on the number of backers needed this time around but it seems she is popular among Tory voters. This is what was reported yesterday... Penny Mordaunt is the new favourite to become Conservative leader among grassroots activists, the latest polling has shown.
Ms Mordaunt, the international trade minister, tops a new survey of Conservative Home readers - usually a reliable indicator of party mood - albeit by fewer than 10 votes, with 19.6 per cent.
Kemi Badenoch, the former equalities minister running on a small-state, 'anti-woke' platform, is second (18.7 per cent), with former chancellor Rishi Sunak in third (12.1 per cent). Suella Braverman and Liz Truss place fourth and fifth.I think its the Tory membership that make the final decision (as I understand the process anyhow) so it looks as though it'll be Mordaunt (certainly if Badenoch doesn't get the necessary backing). Unless something dramatic happens in the mean time of course (and we can't dismiss that with the way things are at the minute). |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 12, 2022 8:25:39 GMT 1
Austerity could be back! Nadhim Zahawi has said he would force every government department to cut running costs by 20% to fund tax cuts, as Liz Truss joined the fray to become the next Conservative party leader, promising she would reduce taxes “from day one” in the job. In his first major interview since announcing his candidacy, Zahawi, the new chancellor, pledged to cut corporation tax, income tax and business rates, saying he would fund this by cutting the running costs of government departments. Isn't it a sensible thing to look to reduce running costs? If only the NHS did the same thing. So sensible is anyone going to admit that governments haven't been doing that already? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 8:40:45 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 12, 2022 8:49:51 GMT 1
Of course they are not representative, but they will vote for anyone, without fear or favour, who looks like they can give them what they desire and perhaps another election win - this lot voted for Boris, so they don't let morals or prejudice interfere with getting in someone who might provide what they want. |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 12, 2022 8:54:58 GMT 1
And I was accused of bringing race into it by suggesting that over half the candidates were from ethnic backgrounds! A fact the Graudian bizarrely seems to overlook. What is less surprising is a Graudian hack having little to no concept of how our parliamentary system works and how a party leader is selected. |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 12, 2022 8:57:27 GMT 1
Of course they are not representative, but they will vote for anyone, without fear or favour, who looks like they can give them what they desire and perhaps another election win - this lot voted for Boris, so they don't let morals or prejudice interfere with getting in someone who might provide what they want. A party voting for a leader who may win them the election! What a novel idea eh Shame your lot didn't think of that when for £2 any man and his dog could vote for the last Labour leader and rather predictably the whole charade got hijacked by hard left extremists and saboteurs. |
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Post by servernaside on Jul 12, 2022 9:19:15 GMT 1
The Guardian always forgets that we live in an overwhelmingly white country (87%), so the demographics of the Conservative Party merely reflect that. Quelle surprise. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 9:46:05 GMT 1
The Guardian always forgets that we live in an overwhelmingly white country (87%), so the demographics of the Conservative Party merely reflect that. Quelle surprise. So what's your rationale for them being representative, when the vast majority of them are male, and half are over 60? |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 12, 2022 9:53:59 GMT 1
The Guardian always forgets that we live in an overwhelmingly white country (87%), so the demographics of the Conservative Party merely reflect that. Quelle surprise. So what's your rationale for them being representative, when the vast majority of them are male, and half are over 60? Why would they need to be representative? Does a football manager have to be representative of it's club's fans or are they hired on the basis of who is most likely to deliver success? "Representation" is such a fallacy. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 12, 2022 10:07:58 GMT 1
So what's your rationale for them being representative, when the vast majority of them are male, and half are over 60? Why would they need to be representative? Does a football manager have to be representative of it's club's fans or are they hired on the basis of who is most likely to deliver success? "Representation" is such a fallacy. Looks like we are in agreement on something! They are clearly not representative, but hey, election success is the name of the game no matter what lies to the general population are promulgated by the candidates. |
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