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Post by vladimir on May 10, 2021 20:28:53 GMT 1
Norburn for me just doesn't do enough. He doesn't score that many, but take out penalties and it looks even worse. Hopefully we can find a midfielder who can really run a game of football. The gold standard of league one midfielder judges speaks.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 10, 2021 20:34:53 GMT 1
Norburn runs hot and cold. But that's probably why he is in League One. He covers a few basis point for a holding midfielder and has staying power of a season which Grant, for example didn't have. But in terms of overall quality he is nowhere near Vela, who is also more versatile. If there are decent offers for him I think we should capitalise.
We have Ogbeta, Pierre and Vela who are the outstanding footballers at the club.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 10, 2021 20:43:14 GMT 1
They’ll be enough changes elsewhere in our team, let’s keep Pierre, Norburn, and Vela at the heart of it.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 10, 2021 20:49:57 GMT 1
If he cost £250000,I'd expect a little bit more off him, goals wise anyway.did he come as an attacking midfielder, or holding midfielder.all I know is, is that we need a midfielder who can score 8/10 a season.is there a Tony kelly, paul Evans, gerry daly, or ian Atkins about please👍👍
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 10, 2021 21:01:52 GMT 1
There's a reason why since joining us Norburn has only attracted big money offers from teams firmly with their eyes on promotion. Think I'd take the opinions of scouting departments at Peterborough and Sunderland (and in all honesty, the available evidence of how badly we play when he's missing) over the "lol, doesn't score enough" crowd on here.
If there is another big money offer on the table this summer then there's an argument to be made that you could take it and use it to get a couple of players in to improve the squad. Were we to cash in on Norburn we almost certainly wouldn't get a better deep lying midfielder than him though, a role Norburn is superb in.
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2021 21:02:59 GMT 1
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread that suggests we re-sign every player thats ever played for us , lol
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Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2021 21:07:33 GMT 1
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread that suggests we re-sign every player thats ever played for us , lol Assume you would have Sam back to manage them?
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2021 21:20:00 GMT 1
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread that suggests we re-sign every player thats ever played for us , lol Assume you would have Sam back to manage them? had sam stayed and results played out exactly as they did, would anyone want him to stay or would they be screaming how awful the football still is and apart from a few smash and grabs in December we'd have been relegated ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on May 10, 2021 21:27:51 GMT 1
Assume you would have Sam back to manage them? had sam stayed and results played out exactly as they did, would anyone want him to stay or would they be screaming how awful the football still is and apart from a few smash and grabs in December we'd have been relegated ;-) They would. Which I suppose means that the standard we could have expected from Sam is about the same as an experienced manager watching from his hospital bed on Ifollow and instructing a new assistant manager he had recruited a few weeks previous over the phone....
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Post by chirkshrew on May 10, 2021 22:01:27 GMT 1
So norburn is a deep lying midfielder after all, so that's why he doesn't score many goals.ok that's fair enough👍👍
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Post by Mortgagehound on May 10, 2021 22:35:41 GMT 1
In my view Norburn has failed to live up to his price tag. We should have snapped at sunderlands offer when it came.
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Post by ssshrew on May 10, 2021 22:50:29 GMT 1
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread that suggests we re-sign every player thats ever played for us , lol Well I suppose they might score for us rather than against us every blooming time.
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Post by ssshrew on May 10, 2021 22:55:30 GMT 1
Norburn has had a lot to contend with this year in his personal life plus we have no idea of who contracted covid or how badly it affected them.
The club and its staff have been through a lot and, while the players have not performed as well as we would like, they have kept us up ready for another season in League One. Taking everything into consideration I don’t think we could have asked for much more realistically.
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Post by Exkeeper on May 11, 2021 10:03:05 GMT 1
Some on here only notice what Norburn brings to the team, when he is not playing.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 11, 2021 10:11:46 GMT 1
We'll see what happens with him, sooner rather than later, not fussed either way
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Post by secretshrew on May 11, 2021 11:58:17 GMT 1
SC was raving about Norbs being a great captain a few months ago. That’s enough for me.
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Post by ssshrew on May 11, 2021 12:12:31 GMT 1
SC was raving about Norbs being a great captain a few months ago. That’s enough for me. Yes and if I recall correctly SC also said he wasn’t sure about him before he really got to know him and that Norburn had proved him wrong. He then went on to say what an inspiring captain he was. I suspect Norburn has played a good part in maintaining morale in the dressing room during SC’s illness as well.
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Post by harboroughshrew on May 11, 2021 12:35:42 GMT 1
If there is one player who deserves to be cut a bit of slack this year then it is Norburn - not his best season admittedly but he has still done OK and his partnership with Vela is the engine room of this team. As for not scoring enough goals that could be said of many in this team but if SC is able to deal with the main issue (which is the lack of quality upfront) then that brings the midfielders more into the play for next season and more goals will come.
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Post by blamber on May 11, 2021 13:53:45 GMT 1
Assume you would have Sam back to manage them? had sam stayed and results played out exactly as they did, would anyone want him to stay or would they be screaming how awful the football still is and apart from a few smash and grabs in December we'd have been relegated ;-) And had he stayed and results didn't play out as they did, would you be still be steadfastly bemoaning how unlucky he is and that we'll turn the corner next season when we're in league two?
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Post by chirkshrew on May 11, 2021 15:19:55 GMT 1
Course he'd have him back, he's already got a ricketts tattoo on his arm!!!👍👍😉😉🤣😂
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2021 18:35:17 GMT 1
Course he'd have him back, he's already got a ricketts tattoo on his arm!!!👍👍😉😉🤣😂 considering you "put ricketts to bed last year" thats about the 20th time you've mentioned him in less than a month
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 18:35:25 GMT 1
On the subject of Norburn
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2021 18:47:46 GMT 1
had sam stayed and results played out exactly as they did, would anyone want him to stay or would they be screaming how awful the football still is and apart from a few smash and grabs in December we'd have been relegated ;-) And had he stayed and results didn't play out as they did, would you be still be steadfastly bemoaning how unlucky he is and that we'll turn the corner next season when we're in league two? I tell it how it is, you tell how you want it to be ricketts last 12 games only managed 8 points, absolute shocking was the general opinion whereas cotterills last 12 games.... 1 Hull City 12 4 2 0 13 5 4 1 1 11 5 14 27 2 Blackpool 12 4 2 1 10 4 3 1 1 8 3 11 24 3 Charlton Athletic 12 3 3 1 10 7 3 2 0 12 4 11 23 4 MK Dons 12 5 0 2 12 8 2 2 1 5 6 3 23 5 Peterborough United 12 2 3 1 16 8 4 1 1 13 7 14 22 6 Oxford United 12 5 0 2 17 9 2 0 3 11 8 11 21 7 Gillingham 12 2 3 0 6 4 3 2 2 12 10 4 20 8 Portsmouth 12 3 0 2 6 5 3 2 2 10 9 2 20 9 AFC Wimbledon 12 4 2 2 16 11 1 2 1 5 2 8 19 10 Rochdale 12 3 2 1 10 7 2 2 2 10 8 5 19 11 Crewe Alexandra 12 1 2 3 5 14 4 1 1 8 4 -5 18 12 Accrington Stanley 12 2 3 1 10 11 2 2 2 7 14 -8 17 13 Burton Albion 12 2 2 3 11 10 2 2 1 6 6 1 16 14 Lincoln City 12 1 2 2 7 7 3 2 2 9 9 0 16 15 Wigan Athletic 12 2 2 2 8 7 2 1 3 9 10 0 15 16 Ipswich Town 12 2 2 0 5 2 1 4 3 3 9 -3 15 17 Sunderland 12 1 3 2 9 9 2 2 2 8 7 1 14 18 Fleetwood Town 12 2 1 3 4 6 2 1 3 6 10 -6 14 19 Northampton Town 12 3 1 2 6 5 0 3 3 4 10 -5 13 20 Swindon Town 12 1 0 4 5 11 3 0 4 10 16 -12 12 21 Shrewsbury Town 12 1 1 5 7 10 1 1 3 4 8 -7 8 22 Plymouth Argyle 12 2 0 3 4 12 0 2 5 5 13 -16 8 23 Doncaster Rovers 12 0 0 5 2 13 2 1 4 8 10 -13 7 24 Bristol Rovers 12 1 0 5 2 7 0 1 5 4 10 -11 4
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Post by South Stand Salopian on May 11, 2021 19:01:17 GMT 1
And had he stayed and results didn't play out as they did, would you be still be steadfastly bemoaning how unlucky he is and that we'll turn the corner next season when we're in league two? I tell it how it is, you tell how you want it to be ricketts last 12 games only managed 8 points, absolute shocking was the general opinion whereas cotterills last 12 games.... 1 Hull City 12 4 2 0 13 5 4 1 1 11 5 14 27 2 Blackpool 12 4 2 1 10 4 3 1 1 8 3 11 24 3 Charlton Athletic 12 3 3 1 10 7 3 2 0 12 4 11 23 4 MK Dons 12 5 0 2 12 8 2 2 1 5 6 3 23 5 Peterborough United 12 2 3 1 16 8 4 1 1 13 7 14 22 6 Oxford United 12 5 0 2 17 9 2 0 3 11 8 11 21 7 Gillingham 12 2 3 0 6 4 3 2 2 12 10 4 20 8 Portsmouth 12 3 0 2 6 5 3 2 2 10 9 2 20 9 AFC Wimbledon 12 4 2 2 16 11 1 2 1 5 2 8 19 10 Rochdale 12 3 2 1 10 7 2 2 2 10 8 5 19 11 Crewe Alexandra 12 1 2 3 5 14 4 1 1 8 4 -5 18 12 Accrington Stanley 12 2 3 1 10 11 2 2 2 7 14 -8 17 13 Burton Albion 12 2 2 3 11 10 2 2 1 6 6 1 16 14 Lincoln City 12 1 2 2 7 7 3 2 2 9 9 0 16 15 Wigan Athletic 12 2 2 2 8 7 2 1 3 9 10 0 15 16 Ipswich Town 12 2 2 0 5 2 1 4 3 3 9 -3 15 17 Sunderland 12 1 3 2 9 9 2 2 2 8 7 1 14 18 Fleetwood Town 12 2 1 3 4 6 2 1 3 6 10 -6 14 19 Northampton Town 12 3 1 2 6 5 0 3 3 4 10 -5 13 20 Swindon Town 12 1 0 4 5 11 3 0 4 10 16 -12 12 21 Shrewsbury Town 12 1 1 5 7 10 1 1 3 4 8 -7 8 22 Plymouth Argyle 12 2 0 3 4 12 0 2 5 5 13 -16 8 23 Doncaster Rovers 12 0 0 5 2 13 2 1 4 8 10 -13 7 24 Bristol Rovers 12 1 0 5 2 7 0 1 5 4 10 -11 4 That was Wilbrahams last 12 games for me. Cotterill wasn’t fully in charge, we’re still unbeaten in the league with him in the dugout.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2021 19:03:04 GMT 1
Yes, those stats tell us that SC needs to release all those who are out of contract except Whalley, Goss, Davis and Caton. Squad is not good enough, but it's one that SC inherited.
Plus Pyke and Burgoyne either out on loan or paid off.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 11, 2021 19:08:58 GMT 1
He obviously doesnt like cotterill, so he wont want to go to watch shrewsbury next season.he can follow his mate to whatever non-league club he ends up at🥴🥴😉🤡
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2021 19:43:26 GMT 1
He obviously doesnt like cotterill, so he wont want to go to watch shrewsbury next season.he can follow his mate to whatever non-league club he ends up at🥴🥴😉🤡 at last I do go to watch (when the ground is open ) and support the side, instead of being sat at home demanding changes
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Post by Namur on May 11, 2021 19:52:19 GMT 1
I'm waiting for someone to start a thread that suggests we re-sign every player thats ever played for us , lol Every summer’s the same... people who were levelling criticism at Sam Ricketts for employing Wolves old boys, suddenly get excited when they see Nat Knight-Percival and Joe Riley in the list of released players.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 19:53:45 GMT 1
Lee Angol, (remember him?) released by Leyton Orient...
and no, I'm not suggesting that we re-sign him!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 19:54:56 GMT 1
The love affair with Sam Ricketts still continues I see In all seriousness though, if someone stills wants to make a fair comparison between the old and the new then let's see how we stand 13 games into next season, I bet that we will have more than 9 points on the board by that stage. Fair's fair.
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