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Post by salop27 on Apr 21, 2021 8:09:09 GMT 1
This isn't going to go away. The creation of the Premier League was the start of the money train and some kind of European Super League is inevitable.
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Post by electrum on Apr 21, 2021 8:39:01 GMT 1
Love this quote on the BBC website from the late Sir Bobby Robson:
“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”
A man who understood football.
Something it seems that is, and will always be, beyond some of these foreign billionaire owners.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 9:11:20 GMT 1
John Barnes was on Breakfast TV today speaking about this.
He spoke with a lot of passion, a lot of feeling and made some really good points.
We may be back to the status quo for now but it is inevitable that we have not heard the last of this.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2021 9:38:35 GMT 1
We may not have heard the last but at least the greedy owners know now that they will have a fight on their hands and that fans will stand together for their teams.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 21, 2021 9:47:29 GMT 1
John Barnes was on Breakfast TV today speaking about this. He spoke with a lot of passion, a lot of feeling and made some really good points. We may be back to the status quo for now but it is inevitable that we have not heard the last of this. i think they will keep there heads down think of a better format and do it again,nothing will stop there greed.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 21, 2021 10:53:09 GMT 1
Anyone here expecting punishment has their head in the clouds unfortunately. We all know the premier league and UEFA will welcome them back with open arms. I'm sure a few fatcats on the premier league board and UEFA board got a bit twitchy the past couple of days.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 21, 2021 11:11:32 GMT 1
The political fall out from this will be interesting. We have a populist PM who will be quick to understand that millions of voters like football but don’t like foreign club owners. The club owners don’t have a vote so taking action to allow fans to have a say in the running of clubs is a political win-win.
People will quickly forget that Boris was recently encouraging the take over of Newcastle United by the Saudis.
I wonder whether the ‘asserts of community value’ legislation could be expanded to include football clubs.
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Post by randomtictacs on Apr 21, 2021 11:31:02 GMT 1
Yep. Plus whatever (expect the usual lame) policy Boris and co eventually come up with following the sports governance review, Keir and co will likely double down on. These fat cats, and by association their brands, are in serious, serious trouble. Now viewed as toxic by every 'legacy' football fan in England and most of Europe. (not that most of them weren't before....they were just tolerated before, now very likely to get total dogs-abuse any and every time they appear, from opposition team fans, if not their own.)
Let's see which, if any of them, have the common sense to now do the correct thing, beating the govt to the punch, and return the club they are stewarding to a majority fan ownership model. If they wait too long that option to save their own face may well be removed from them.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 21, 2021 12:15:28 GMT 1
Yep. Plus whatever (expect the usual lame) policy Boris and co eventually come up with following the sports governance review, Keir and co will likely double down on. These fat cats, and by association their brands, are in serious, serious trouble. Now viewed as toxic by every 'legacy' football fan in England and most of Europe. (not that most of them weren't before....they were just tolerated before, now very likely to get total dogs-abuse any and every time they appear, from opposition team fans, if not their own.) Let's see which, if any of them, have the common sense to now do the correct thing, beating the govt to the punch, and return the club they are stewarding to a majority fan ownership model. If they wait too long that option to save their own face may well be removed from them. Unfortunately, I doubt it. Money talks and it says you have big owners, you buy big players, you win, plastic fans are happy, you have a worldwide money making machine.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 21, 2021 12:38:29 GMT 1
The most interesting aspect of all this was not the fact it was proposed, but the fact that this group of major financial investors who own the clubs, went about it in such an amateur and ill-thought out way.
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Post by Dancin on Apr 21, 2021 12:58:34 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 21, 2021 13:35:48 GMT 1
Utter b******s and not at all sincere, he's just worried about his pockets. Asshole. DO NOT FORGET THESE PEOPLES NAMES.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2021 13:37:41 GMT 1
Absolutely. I don’t believe a word of it.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 21, 2021 14:01:27 GMT 1
Anyone here expecting punishment has their head in the clouds unfortunately. We all know the premier league and UEFA will welcome them back with open arms. I'm sure a few fatcats on the premier league board and UEFA board got a bit twitchy the past couple of days. I don't see what would be achieved by punishing the clubs involved. Perhaps it was all about greed, but greed has been built into the fabric of the sport since at least 1992 in this country. Where was the generosity and kindred spirit last year, when the oh-so-virtuous smaller Premier League clubs didn't want to support those clubs below their level who were struggling to survive? I won't forget that, even if others have. Football is in crisis and needs to come together to find a best way forward. It can't stay as it is. Our romantic notions of football, beautifully illustrated by Bobby Robson's words quoted above, don't fit the reality of the sport today (if they ever did), with or without a European Super League. None of this has ended.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 21, 2021 14:09:23 GMT 1
The clubs won’t be punished in any meaningful way.
Why do you think the 14 didn’t want them to abandon the league? £££
Seriously think UEFA will kick Real Madrid, Chelsea and Man City out of the Champions League and crown PSG. Of course not, they’d stand to lose mega £££.
No meaningful change will come from this, no owners will be ran out of town, all that will happen is the club’s names will be sullied more than they were before, and football will continue in its grubby sordid way.
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Post by sibshrew on Apr 21, 2021 14:43:29 GMT 1
I think it is the government's reaction that has put a stop to this. Liverpool and United haven't listened to their fans despite what they say in their statements. The owners knew full well their (British) fans would be against the idea and they wanted to force it through anyway.
They may have been suprised by the strength of the media's response (Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville calling for fans to mobilse) but it isn't a few hundred people gathered outside grounds and some bad comments on twitter that have changed the owners' minds, they expected that. They were planning to ride it out but miscalculated the government's response. If the government were willing to legislate to stop it, as they said they were, the plan couldn't have gone much further.
I don't think this episode demonstrates the power of fans, the owners still don't care about fans. They will claim to be listening but they haven't claimed to be suprised by the reaction.
It will be interesting to see to what extent the government (and Neville and Carragher) ride the wave of their victory and if any reform is forthcoming.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 21, 2021 15:02:36 GMT 1
Whilst I am not entirely surprised by the evident collapse of this most dreadful example of financial adventurism, the speed and nature of that implosion is something I did not foresee, believing instead that the legal profession would feast on entrails of our game; fortunately, this has proved not to be the case. In the immediate term, I have no doubt that the matter of "punishment" will feature strongly, not only on this board, but in football generally, however all parties - governing bodies, owners, players, and, of course fans, need to consider carefully who will suffer from any such punishment: it had to be carefully tailored to ensure that the real culprits behind this fiasco receive their proper reward. It behoves all of us not to consider such matters in the atmosphere of vicious bile which has, albeit understandably, been directed at those clubs, and sometimes personally against their owners: that is no way in which to reach a reasoned judgement. Cool heads are required, and definitely not a resort to personal abuse, no matter how angry we may be. In the words of management gobbledygook, this should be used as an opportunity to adapt for the better future of the game, not purely an exercise in retribution.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 22, 2021 11:01:31 GMT 1
They’ll be back. For all the stirring opposition Operation Greed will return. John W Henry, the principal owner of Liverpool, is a businessman, not a benefactor. His filmed show of contrition and attempt to make peace with fans may have been genuine, but so is his desire to make money.
As with the even more loathsome Joel Glazer at Manchester United and arrogant Stan Kroenke at Arsenal, these are men wanting to monetise the emotion filling famous English clubs. For clarity, Fenway Sports Group is not a charity.
So how does football prepare for the inevitable resumption of hostilities? The barricades were effectively manned this time by the supporters, players and managers.
The Times.
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 23, 2021 14:05:38 GMT 1
Maybe the entire thing was an arranged bluff to ensure UEFA's changes to the Champions League definitely went through. Those changes will then be used as a launchpad for what is REALLY desired by the group of 'elite' clubs, and in the meantime UEFA get to look like the saviours of football who have reined in the 'bad boys'. UEFA could not afford for the clubs to leave any more than the fans did not want them to go. This way, everyone gets something out of the incident.
I rule out no possibility.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2021 17:12:51 GMT 1
I propose the greedy 6 get an immediate 60 points deduction
here's an updated table
1 Leicester City 32 18 5 9 58 37 21 59 2 West Ham United 32 16 7 9 53 42 11 55 3 Everton 31 14 7 10 43 40 3 49 4 Leeds United 32 14 4 14 50 50 0 46 5 Aston Villa 31 13 5 13 44 35 9 44 6 Wolverhampton Wanderers 32 11 8 13 32 41 -9 41 7 Crystal Palace 31 10 8 13 33 52 -19 38 8 Southampton 32 10 6 16 40 58 -18 36 9 Newcastle United 32 9 8 15 35 53 -18 35 10 Brighton and Hove Albion 32 7 13 12 33 38 -5 34 11 Burnley 32 8 9 15 26 45 -19 33 12 Fulham 33 5 12 16 25 43 -18 27 13 West Bromwich Albion 32 5 9 18 28 62 -34 24 14 Manchester City 33 24 5 4 69 24 45 17 15 Sheffield United 32 4 2 26 17 56 -39 14 16 Manchester United 32 19 9 4 64 35 29 6 17 Chelsea 32 15 10 7 50 31 19 -5 18 Tottenham Hotspur 33 15 8 10 56 38 18 -7 19 Liverpool 32 15 8 9 54 38 16 -7 20 Arsenal 32 13 7 12 44 36 8 -14
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 23, 2021 21:53:03 GMT 1
I propose the greedy 6 get an immediate 60 points deduction here's an updated table 1 Leicester City 32 18 5 9 58 37 21 59 2 West Ham United 32 16 7 9 53 42 11 55 3 Everton 31 14 7 10 43 40 3 49 4 Leeds United 32 14 4 14 50 50 0 46 5 Aston Villa 31 13 5 13 44 35 9 44 6 Wolverhampton Wanderers 32 11 8 13 32 41 -9 41 7 Crystal Palace 31 10 8 13 33 52 -19 38 8 Southampton 32 10 6 16 40 58 -18 36 9 Newcastle United 32 9 8 15 35 53 -18 35 10 Brighton and Hove Albion 32 7 13 12 33 38 -5 34 11 Burnley 32 8 9 15 26 45 -19 33 12 Fulham 33 5 12 16 25 43 -18 27 13 West Bromwich Albion 32 5 9 18 28 62 -34 24 14 Manchester City 33 24 5 4 69 24 45 17 15 Sheffield United 32 4 2 26 17 56 -39 14 16 Manchester United 32 19 9 4 64 35 29 6 17 Chelsea 32 15 10 7 50 31 19 -5 18 Tottenham Hotspur 33 15 8 10 56 38 18 -7 19 Liverpool 32 15 8 9 54 38 16 -7 20 Arsenal 32 13 7 12 44 36 8 -14 I think they should all start on -15 minimum next year. Why not? The way Leeds and other were treated these lot have gone 10x worse.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2021 22:00:17 GMT 1
one of the big 6 just lost at home
arsenal 0 v 1 Everton
pundit gave richarlison man of the match ?
if I was Pickford I'd be disappointed with that, he should have won it hands down
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Apr 23, 2021 22:26:25 GMT 1
So much for punishing them seems Rick Parry wants to reward his old mates. Sadly it's behind a paywall so can;t read whole story.
no sooner had I posted that than this appeared -
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 23:06:59 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 24, 2021 8:10:24 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Apr 27, 2021 13:08:11 GMT 1
Simply let them go, it would open up the closed shop that only Leicester and Blackburn have troubled in the last 30 years.
There will have to be some domestic sanctions though:
No domestic league or cup competitions.
No players allowed to be picked for their country.
A 3 year domestic ban on all players that spend any time playing in the ESL.
That three year ban would make players think twice about whether they wish to make huge amounts for a few seasons in the ESL, but then see their careers end when they are dropped from their teams and are worthless to any other club. Does anyone think that Foden is always going to be first choice at Citeh or that Maguire isn't going to be usurped by some up and coming Spaniard? Then again are the younger players coming through going to want to risk their careers for a few seasons in the limelight, but risk never being able to play for their country?
Football is a working class sport, it always has been, but the money men are taking it away from the real fans. Thankfully I support a club that will never be in a position to join this ESL. These money men don't care about the fans, many of them only care about the support and merchandise sales in the middle and far east.
Funny how some people are totally against the Brits using their initiative and becoming some part of a European Union 😜
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Post by venceremos on Apr 27, 2021 13:58:00 GMT 1
Meanwhile, many of those Arsenal fans wanting rid of Kroenke as their owner, welcome the prospect of a different billionaire (Daniel Ek, who made his fortune via Spotify's underpaying of the musicians it streams) launching a takeover bid.
As if replacing one billionaire owner with a different one is the answer to any of football's ills. You have to laugh.
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Post by belfastshrew on May 8, 2021 16:06:35 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 8, 2021 16:09:07 GMT 1
Wish they would all fooook off and join their circus and leave the real football clubs get on with it.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2021 16:22:56 GMT 1
I hear that many united fans are starting to boycott the clubs sponsors
great idea who you have a billion fans worldwide
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