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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 20, 2021 11:29:25 GMT 1
I’d like to be a fly on the wall in the City dressing room when Phil Foden who is a local lad and a City fan with, I guess, generations of City fans among his family and friends, tries to explain he feelings of grass roots fans to the likes of De Bruyne and Edinson.
They have already seen leagues in their own countries denuded of talent and their leagues weakened by the wealthy clubs in England,Spain and Italy buying up all the talent. Maybe they won’t be very sympathetic?
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Post by salop27 on Apr 20, 2021 12:10:38 GMT 1
I can see the "big clubs" point. Fans would rather see Man City playing Barcelona then Burnley. Simple enough solution is to let them go ahead but players can only be registered for the Super League or Premier League/Cups. Should mean less games for the top international players and could give homegrown players a chance to play more in domestic games. Also it will give a chance for the fans to vote with their wallets. Do they go and watch the Prem games/cups or Super league matches...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 12:15:35 GMT 1
I don't think the UK, or even Europe is the market the league is interested in really.
Therefore, I don't think the league will give a t0ss about who a fan of a given club will watch which game.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Apr 20, 2021 12:37:37 GMT 1
But what about the fans in the uk of the 6 clubs. They don’t want it either but will lose their clubs. In the next 10 years these clubs will be relocated to Asia and The USA
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2021 12:41:25 GMT 1
I don't think the UK, or even Europe is the market the league is interested in really. Therefore, I don't think the league will give a t0ss about who a fan of a given club will watch which game. Exactly, it's aiming to create an exhibition league where every game is a spectacle and people might have a superficial connection to a franchise they "root" for but fundamentally it's just about the razzmatazz of watching elite footballers ply their trade. Let them have it to be honest; there's a place for it and separating that from the rest of football may allow us "legacy fans" to get back to something closer to what most want. I think the next move should be to separate the leagues completely and work out some sort of arrangement to allow the free flow of players between domestic and super league, as well as funding to ensure that access continues. The more I think about it, the more I'm glad it's all out in the open now.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 20, 2021 12:41:41 GMT 1
If this does get scuppered these 6 clubs will NEVER recover their reputation with the wider football world with anyone but there most loyal fans.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2021 12:43:36 GMT 1
But what about the fans in the uk of the 6 clubs. They don’t want it either but will lose their clubs. In the next 10 years these clubs will be relocated to Asia and The USA I agree; it's a shame but it's also a chance for those communities to rebuild something that better reflects their connection to the club.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2021 12:46:10 GMT 1
If this does get scuppered these 6 clubs will NEVER recover their reputation with the wider football world with anyone but there most loyal fans. I disagree; as ever it's the minority who shout loudest. The silent mass of people for whom football is just a backdrop whilst they scroll their gambling app won't care.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 20, 2021 12:58:59 GMT 1
They’ve also sent an email out to all the fans they have registered explaining their stance on this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 13:04:04 GMT 1
Any club outside of the top 6 who are in debt (that'll be the overwhelming majority) are going to find it much harder to keep on top of said debt if this league is pushed through. Are fans going to pay the standard Prem prices when they can no longer see some of the biggest names in world football? I doubt it. Are people still going to pay their £30 a month to Sky and BT just to watch the likes of Burnley, Palace etc? Some will, some won't. TV deals will become far less lucrative and that will have a huge knock on effect through the leagues.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 20, 2021 13:09:16 GMT 1
Easy answer would be to ban them but then you're decimating the value and money in the premier league, it's these six clubs that generate the TV deals. If everyone else can accept the huge loss in revenue then fair enough, ban them, but otherwise it's just fantasy. Better to make a stand now even though there will be costs than to let this continue.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 20, 2021 14:49:01 GMT 1
6 spaces available in the Premiership We can't let that happen. As it would be a tad hypocritical of us to allow Rangers and Celtic to leave their own league to join another. ‘Twas a joke or a poor attempt at humour
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Post by bictonshrew on Apr 20, 2021 14:58:55 GMT 1
I don't understand how they think they can still play in their domestic league AND this new "Super" league?
Theoretically they could all be playing in the Championship or lower in 3 years time but still retaining their place in this other league.
It's an absolute nonsense.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 20, 2021 15:54:02 GMT 1
If this does get scuppered these 6 clubs will NEVER recover their reputation with the wider football world with anyone but there most loyal fans. Fans support their club, not its temporary owners. When a deal is done, or this proposal disappears, things will eventually settle down again, that's my belief.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2021 15:56:07 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executiveChelsea and Manchester City are wavering about joining the European Super League, according to a well-placed executive at another club approached to join the breakaway league. The Guardian also understands there were discussions in the wings of the Uefa congress in Montreux on Tuesday about whether the two clubs might do a U-turn after the negative public backlash and growing pressure from governments and leagues since the announcement. Those opposed to the breakaway believe that fewer than half the 12 clubs are considered “fanatics”, who will back the Super League no matter what. The others have joined because they believe they will be financially better off – either if it goes ahead or by wrangling concessions from Uefa – or they reluctantly entered because they feared missing out. Chelsea and Manchester City are believed to be in the latter camp.
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Post by randomtictacs on Apr 20, 2021 16:01:38 GMT 1
Well they will need to get their skates on an bail out if they hope as clubs not to be tarnished for all time by this. The idiotic proposal was already dead in the water. Bayern Munich have just torpedoed it.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 20, 2021 16:02:21 GMT 1
I don't understand how they think they can still play in their domestic league AND this new "Super" league? Theoretically they could all be playing in the Championship or lower in 3 years time but still retaining their place in this other league. It's an absolute nonsense. More to the point how on earth is Mr Klopp going to fit in his ‘winter break’?! I am very concerned about this thoughtlessness on behalf of his owners.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 20, 2021 16:03:08 GMT 1
It looks like the UK government are supporting UEFA / PL / FA in trying to stop this plan.
Interesting also that Bayern Munich have now officially stated that they will not be taking part in the proposed ESL.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2021 16:23:58 GMT 1
Manchester United, Liverpool and the other Super League clubs face being sued for billions of pounds if they pull out of the competition, Telegraph Sport has been told.
Amid claims Chelsea and Manchester City were wavering about taking part in the new European tournament, a source at one of the so-called ‘Big Six’ Premier League sides to sign up to it has confirmed they have penned a “binding agreement” to that effect.
The existence of such agreements, which were made public by Florentino Perez, the president of Real Madrid who has been named chairman of The Super League, could mean clubs being unable to withdraw even if the outrage it has provoked has caused them to think again.
Pulling out without the consent of the other members could leave them open to legal action, especially if that saw the multi-billion-pound competition collapse.
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 20, 2021 16:29:03 GMT 1
If this does get scuppered these 6 clubs will NEVER recover their reputation with the wider football world with anyone but there most loyal fans. I don't agree with that at all, but it seems to be a common misconception out there, judging by protests aimed at Liverpool's players. Remember they knew nothing. Nor did the manager. That much is plainly obvious to see from media interviews. Same with Pep today. Don't forget these fans stand to potentially lose the most, their club is having its heart ripped out (some would argue its long gone in fairness) It's the ownership who deserve every bit of hate. I highly doubt any owners will be welcome once Stadiums are full. Pray to God it doesn't go through.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2021 16:47:52 GMT 1
The 12 football clubs forming a breakaway European Super League have signed 23-year contracts for the new format with insiders “categorically” denying that the proposals are simply a negotiating tactic.
Yesterday a senior figure close to the new league said that the clubs were determined to push on despite a huge backlash from fans, politicians and players past and present.
The source insisted it was not an effort to press Uefa, the European governing body, to offer the clubs more money and games in the Champions League, the leading club competition.
“There are signed agreements — 23-year contracts”, the source said. “This is categorically not a bargaining chip. I can see why people might come to the conclusion but I am happy to correct it. This is proper, it’s happening.”
JP Morgan, the US investment bank, confirmed that it was financing the new league, which will hand an initial £3 billion to the founding clubs. It declined to elaborate or explain how the deal was structured or funded.
The bank has a longstanding relationship with Ed Woodward, the chief executive of Manchester United, who is understood to be one of the driving forces behind the Super League. Woodward used to work for JP Morgan’s mergers and acquisitions team, where he brokered the Glazer family’s controversial takeover of United in 2005 before moving to the club.
The news that contracts have been signed appears to rule out the idea that the clubs are bluffing to secure better terms from Uefa. The announcement of the league came a day before Uefa was due to announce reforms to the Champions League after protracted negotiations with the big clubs.
The Times.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 20, 2021 16:49:11 GMT 1
I have to say it's a shame the football world wasn't so exercised by the awarding of World Cups to democracy-suppressing Russia in 2018 and autocratic Qatar in 2022. There are few qualms about playing in stadiums built with near-slave labour and which cost the lives of many workers, but the idea of no promotion/relegation provokes an eruption of moral outrage from governments, the media, pundits, fans, clubs, players .....
It turns my stomach to think of being on the same side as FIFA and its racketeer leadership.
We really have lost our way, if we ever knew it in the first place.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 20, 2021 17:02:27 GMT 1
If this does get scuppered these 6 clubs will NEVER recover their reputation with the wider football world with anyone but there most loyal fans. I don't agree with that at all, but it seems to be a common misconception out there, judging by protests aimed at Liverpool's players. Remember they knew nothing. Nor did the manager. always the victims
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2021 17:09:24 GMT 1
We can't let that happen. As it would be a tad hypocritical of us to allow Rangers and Celtic to leave their own league to join another. ‘Twas a joke or a poor attempt at humour Ah, sorry dude. Just that I have heard this bounded about on Twitter from one or two.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 20, 2021 17:15:59 GMT 1
6 spaces available in the Premiership We can't let that happen. As it would be a tad hypocritical of us to allow Rangers and Celtic to leave their own league to join another. imagine the chaos of an army of hooligans marching down the country from Glasgow every weekend ?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2021 17:19:53 GMT 1
Those opposed to the breakaway believe that fewer than half the 12 clubs are considered “fanatics”, How many of them are owned by Americans?
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Post by servernaside on Apr 20, 2021 18:22:41 GMT 1
I have to say it's a shame the football world wasn't so exercised by the awarding of World Cups to democracy-suppressing Russia in 2018 and autocratic Qatar in 2022. There are few qualms about playing in stadiums built with near-slave labour and which cost the lives of many workers, but the idea of no promotion/relegation provokes an eruption of moral outrage from governments, the media, pundits, fans, clubs, players ..... It turns my stomach to think of being on the same side as FIFA and its racketeer leadership. We really have lost our way, if we ever knew it in the first place. Not in any way relevant to this particular matter.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 20, 2021 18:23:35 GMT 1
Money, that's all it's about. I'll stick with STFC and leave the plastic clubs of the super/premier leagues to "entertain" the couch potatoes on telly.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 20, 2021 18:28:26 GMT 1
I have to say it's a shame the football world wasn't so exercised by the awarding of World Cups to democracy-suppressing Russia in 2018 and autocratic Qatar in 2022. There are few qualms about playing in stadiums built with near-slave labour and which cost the lives of many workers, but the idea of no promotion/relegation provokes an eruption of moral outrage from governments, the media, pundits, fans, clubs, players ..... It turns my stomach to think of being on the same side as FIFA and its racketeer leadership. We really have lost our way, if we ever knew it in the first place. Not in any way relevant to this particular matter. Didn't realise there was a rule that posts had to be strictly relevant to the matter?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 18:30:35 GMT 1
Who is gonna be first club to withdraw, my money is on Spurs
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