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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 19, 2021 12:01:21 GMT 1
'New spots for elite clubs that failed to qualify'. Sheer hypocrisy on the part of UEFA, who themselves are pandering to the so-called 'elite clubs'. Isn't this the point of the whole thing though? Uefa now furiously backpedalling to accommodate these clubs
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Post by camdenshrew on Apr 19, 2021 12:01:56 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 19, 2021 12:08:46 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago. Yep; taste of their own medicine time for many.
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 19, 2021 12:17:29 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago. Sky Sports people complaining is insanely hypocritical too. Sky put football behind a paywall in the first place.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 19, 2021 12:19:41 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago. Yep; taste of their own medicine time for many. The Premier League need to make the next move, and check whether it is possible to threaten them with expulsion at the end of this season. They would then not be eligible for any UEFA competitions next season. The PFA need to warn members about ineligibility for World Cup and Euros. Fan groups of those clubs are not happy and should let the clubs know that. I believe that some are already planning to do that. Make the greedy ones have second thoughts and be ready for their next move.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 19, 2021 12:21:58 GMT 1
Who is financing the £3,000,000,000 each of the 12 founder members are getting? From the Telegraph's coverage... A spokesperson for the American bank JPMorgan Chase has confirmed to Reuters that they are indeed the institution that are financially backing the breakaway Super League.
It is thought that the bank are stumping up more than €4 billion to back the project. In an interesting wrinkle, Ed Woodward, the Manchester United Chief Executive, was employed by the bank for 12 years before being recruited by the Glazers' following their takeover in 20
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2021 12:23:59 GMT 1
The whole slippery slope started many years ago, when Clubs were given the right to keep all their gate receipts, instead of having to give a significant % to the away team.
But the creation of the Premier League in 1992 is what really put the boot in to lower league clubs.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 19, 2021 12:33:18 GMT 1
I’m glad our club always consults the fans first , I’ll still delighted that they moved saturdays game for my benefit
And now they decide who can and who can’t have a free drink
Town might as well join the superleague and bring ricketts back , no relegation will suit us 🤣
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Post by harboroughshrew on Apr 19, 2021 12:35:23 GMT 1
I have never been a fan of Gary Neville but I am now after hearing his impassioned comments on this new development . Clearly the largely foreign or absent owners of the 6 clubs have little clue about how the vast majority of supporters will view this. Presumably UEFA had some wind of this and tried to placate them by introducing the historical coefficient in the new proposal for expanding the Champions League. Taking away the concept of jeopardy by not allowing relegation is clearly wrong and I think it would also take much away from this proposed new competition. I also suspect the 6 clubs will also be in breach of their obligations to the TV companies because they will effectively devalue the Premier League - there could be some interesting court battles ahead.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 19, 2021 12:56:24 GMT 1
Horrible idea but those in here saying good riddance I don't think fully understand the consequences that come with that. TV deals would plummet for the Prem which would affect every club in the football pyramid and most of them are already close to financial ruin. As for PSG they only said no because their bankroller is on the UEFA board, RB Leipzig are said to be joining and the cynic in me said Bayern didn't sign up only because they already have a monopoly on their own league. Dortmund are the one club I can see that said no on moral grounds. Quite how would plunging TV deals for the 'rump' premiership, affect every club in the pyramid?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 12:57:53 GMT 1
It'll be interesting to see the full details of this nonsense come out in due course. Up to 25 midweek fixtures - where's the space in the schedules for that? In order for it to work too many fighting factions are going to have to compromise and I can't see that happening, or if it's even possible even if everyone did come together. League Cup, FA Cup replays (was this season a one off or are they back from next season?), midweek / Monday night Prem games, Nations League, WC Qualifiers, winter break (in Europe)... absolutely no chance of clashes not occuring and then which fixture takes precedence?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 19, 2021 12:59:50 GMT 1
'New spots for elite clubs that failed to qualify'. Sheer hypocrisy on the part of UEFA, who themselves are pandering to the so-called 'elite clubs'. Isn't this the point of the whole thing though? Uefa now furiously backpedalling to accommodate these clubs The changes that have been proposed for the Champions League by UEFA were to try and meet these clubs halfway, they have been in the pipeline for some time. UEFA are looking to placate them for sure but for those who wish to break away the proposals don't go far enough. As yet anyhow, whether more concessions will be made beyond what has been proposed we wait and see.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 19, 2021 13:01:53 GMT 1
Horrible idea but those in here saying good riddance I don't think fully understand the consequences that come with that. TV deals would plummet for the Prem which would affect every club in the football pyramid and most of them are already close to financial ruin. As for PSG they only said no because their bankroller is on the UEFA board, RB Leipzig are said to be joining and the cynic in me said Bayern didn't sign up only because they already have a monopoly on their own league. Dortmund are the one club I can see that said no on moral grounds. Quite how would plunging TV deals for the 'rump' premiership, affect every club in the pyramid? The super league stoll needs access to the pipeline ofbyoung players and probably wants its players to br internationals for prestige. The legacy bodies would have to negotiate a price.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 19, 2021 13:04:04 GMT 1
Horrible idea but those in here saying good riddance I don't think fully understand the consequences that come with that. TV deals would plummet for the Prem which would affect every club in the football pyramid and most of them are already close to financial ruin. As for PSG they only said no because their bankroller is on the UEFA board, RB Leipzig are said to be joining and the cynic in me said Bayern didn't sign up only because they already have a monopoly on their own league. Dortmund are the one club I can see that said no on moral grounds. Quite how would plunging TV deals for the 'rump' premiership, affect every club in the pyramid? There's premier league funding that goes down the pyramid all the way to grass roots through the TV deal. Also premier league clubs buying/selling/loaning players to lower league teams. Value of the premier league goes down and so does every other team in the pyramid.
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Post by Luke on Apr 19, 2021 13:49:08 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago. Sky Sports people complaining is insanely hypocritical too. Sky put football behind a paywall in the first place. And you can guarantee that they - much like BT - will be submitting bids for the ESL as soon as the rights are put out to auction. Their business models compel them to do so. Ultimately, though, this isn't really a shock, is it? This has been coming for an awfully long time. And UEFA are as much to blame for this as the clubs who are planning to break away are. For far too long - as evidenced by the God-awful Champions League reforms that have been announced today - UEFA have pandered to these so-called elite clubs, giving them everything they want. But what they want is never, ever enough; they will always keep coming back and asking for more. Which leads us to disgusting, farcical situation we are in today. I'm also impossibly disappointed in both the Premier League (a renegade, breakaway league ultimately built on greed itself, lets not forget - but even so...) and the FA. Both organisations should have released a joint statement first thing this morning announcing that all six clubs were disqualified from all domestic competition with immediate effect. Even if the Super League proposals do not - for whatever reason - eventually come to fruition, the act of serving notice of their plans to push ahead cannot go unpunished. This has to be stamped on. Kick them out. Let them go.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2021 14:01:45 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/ministers-urged-to-take-action-over-european-super-league-planSpeaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.” Johnson added: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country. “These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities. They should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.” He must have watched the Gary Neville interview!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 14:02:38 GMT 1
Interestingly the top 6 in the PL at the moment are:
Man City, Man Utd, Leicester City, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool.
Spurs are 7th, Arsenal 9th.
So on merit, Leicester and West Ham should be in the "European Super League".....lol
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2021 14:06:35 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/european-super-league-the-death-of-football-say-fans-in-italyFootball fans in Italy have called the proposed European super league the “death of football” as it threatened to push Serie A into crisis. The official statement announcing the Super League led to a torrent of criticism of one of its greatest advocates, the Juventus chairman, Andrea Agnelli. His club, together with Inter and Milan, has expressed its willingness to join the new project. The front pages of newspapers in Italy described the news as a “crude idea”, while the Serie A League called an urgent meeting.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 19, 2021 14:18:46 GMT 1
A board member of a top 6 team said they expected a backlash and don't care. They secretly wished players would be banned from Euros & world cups and will play weakened sides in the Premier League.
SCUM.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 19, 2021 14:21:27 GMT 1
A board member of a top 6 team said they expected a backlash and don't care. They secretly wished players would be banned from Euros & world cups and will play weakened sides in the Premier League. SCUM. Have to remember there may be some artistic reporting from Sky Sports, who will be fearing on the value of their massive investment in Premier League tv rights for next season and beyond.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2021 14:22:30 GMT 1
A board member of a top 6 team said they expected a backlash and don't care. They secretly wished players would be banned from Euros & world cups and will play weakened sides in the Premier League. SCUM. sounds about right, but source?
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Post by northwestman on Apr 19, 2021 14:34:31 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 19, 2021 14:35:15 GMT 1
A board member of a top 6 team said they expected a backlash and don't care. They secretly wished players would be banned from Euros & world cups and will play weakened sides in the Premier League. SCUM. sounds about right, but source? http://instagram.com/p/CN2Qe-AlkV4
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 19, 2021 14:37:00 GMT 1
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Apr 19, 2021 14:42:11 GMT 1
Another beautiful gesture that will only increase the bond between the two clubs. Hope us and Scunny follow suit to complete the holy trinity.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 19, 2021 14:59:58 GMT 1
My initial thought when I heard this news was good, it gives an opportunity for reform of the EFL, introduction of rigorous financial fair play rules and it would lead to a more open competition for the league championship.
Then I realised that we’d just get a new moneyed elite, probably clubs with big potential audiences like Everton, Newcastle and Villa who would be off to join the ESL as soon as they could.
For me the death of top level football came when ownership moved from local men made good to oligarchs, sports washers and hedge funds with no loyalty or connection to the communities from which the clubs developed.
It’s strange to think that in my time living near Manchester, United were owned by a local butcher and City by the bloke who owned the record shop in Altrincham.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 19, 2021 15:44:51 GMT 1
Hilarious to hear Premier League fans - especially those whose teams do not feature in this self-selected "elite" - bleating that "it's all about greed." Did they think the PL was a charity which really had the long-term interests of the entire pyramid at its heart? They are now being jettisoned in the same way lower league clubs and fans were when the PL was set up 30 years ago. I think back a few months to Sean Dyche asking why Burnley should be expected to help bail out EFL clubs during the pandemic, and how grudgingly small the PL's offering was. Now their gravy train is at risk they cry out "but the pyramid, don't be greedy" ..... There's a lot of justifiable opposition to the proposal but a lot of the voices being raised have little or nothing in common with each other.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 19, 2021 15:51:20 GMT 1
Fans of clubs such as Everton, Newcastle, Wolves and Leeds all taking the moral high ground must be staggeringly deluded if they think their clubs would’ve turned it down had they been considered a ‘super club’.
The league’s been sordid and money oriented for ever and it only gets worse.
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 19, 2021 15:55:13 GMT 1
You've got to hand it to Daniel Levy. Harry Kane was likely to leave if he couldn't get Champions League football with Spurs. Levy's engineered it so no big club anywhere will get Champions League football.
Genius!
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Post by venceremos on Apr 19, 2021 15:58:04 GMT 1
Another beautiful gesture that will only increase the bond between the two clubs. Hope us and Scunny follow suit to complete the holy trinity. There's an irony in swapping "big six" shirts for out of date Grimsby shirts and then sending the big six shirts to Africa. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Africa is more of a target market for the breakaway league than Grimsby .....
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