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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 18, 2021 16:46:07 GMT 1
Just seen on Twitter that there will be an announcement tonight on a breakaway league, comprising 6 English, 3 Spanish and 3 Italian clubs. PSG and Bayern have rejected their invitation “for now”. All hell is breaking loose with UEFA,, the National FAs, The Premier League, La Liga and Serie A all making threats about banning participating clubs from all their competitions and players from representing their countries. The clubs named are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs from England plus Barcelona, Atletico and Real Madridf from Spain and AC and Inter from Milan and finally Juventus. Greed as always motivates illogical decisions.
Fans groups from invited clubs do not appear to favour the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 16:50:31 GMT 1
Spurs?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Apr 18, 2021 16:53:08 GMT 1
Common abbreviation for ‘Tottenham Hotspur’. Fair enough that exkeeper used it in my view, it’s pretty widely accepted.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 17:27:55 GMT 1
4 days after liverpool dumped out of Europe they invite themselves back in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 17:28:39 GMT 1
Let’s hope fans turn their backs on them... but doubt it
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Post by welshdan on Apr 18, 2021 17:35:53 GMT 1
Whoever is trying to pull this together is obviously timing it to play on the loss of funds to owners due to COVID.
Money talks.
Will be interesting to see if this has legs or whether it’s a bargaining chip for better deals in existing competitions/tv deals
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 18, 2021 17:51:53 GMT 1
Bye bye, wont fooook off soon enough for me. Leaves the rest of normal clubs (us included) to get on with the real football.
They have talked about it long enough, let's get it done now.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 17:53:12 GMT 1
UEFA will be upset , they were just finalising details for their own corrupt European league
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Apr 18, 2021 18:00:58 GMT 1
Senior Uefa figures are furious that 11 major European clubs, including five from England, have signed up to a breakaway European Super League. BBC Sport was told last week of plans for some sort of confirmation about a European Super League. Uefa hoped to head off plans with a new-look 36-team Champions League set to be confirmed on Monday. Uefa said it will use "all measures available" to stop the "cynical project" of a breakaway Super League. The European governing body released a joint statement together with the English Football Association, Premier League Spanish Football Federation (RFEF), La Liga, and the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) as well as Serie A on Sunday. They said they will "remain united" in trying to stop the breakaway, using both judicial and sporting measures if required. They also reiterated Fifa's stance that players taking part in the Super League would be banned from all other competitions at domestic, European or world level and could be prevented from representing their national teams. In a separate statement, the Premier League said it condemned the proposal as it "attacks the principles of open competition and sporting merit which are at the heart" of domestic and European football. Juventus owner Andrea Agnelli, Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and AC Milan chief executive Ivan Gazidis would all have had a significant input into the Champions League discussions on Friday. However, it appears those clubs are among those to have broken ranks, to the fury of Uefa, whose president Aleksander Ceferin wanted to stave off a Super League threat. Spanish La Liga sides Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid are also part of the 11-team group, as are Italian Serie A club Inter Milan. None of the clubs concerned have responded to questions about the proposals. The Premier League said a European Super League would " destroy" the dream of fans that "their team may climb to the top and play against the best". It added such a league would "undermine the appeal of the whole game" and that they would work with the FA, the English Football League, Professional Footballers' Association, League Managers Association and fans to " defend the integrity and future prospects of English football". The FA said it will "not provide permission to any competition that would be damaging to English football" and will "take any legal and/or regulatory action necessary" to stop it. Bundesliga sides are opposed to the plans because the German model means commercial investors cannot have more than a 49% stake in clubs, so fans hold a majority of their own voting rights. It is understood French Ligue 1 side Paris St-Germain are not part of the 11-team group. Uefa said it thanked "those clubs in other countries, especially the French and German clubs, who have refused to sign up" to the breakaway league. "We call on all lovers of football, supporters and politicians, to join us in fighting against such a project if it were to be announced," they added. "This persistent self-interest of a few has been going on for too long. Enough is enough." Quite when the European Super League would start is unclear. However, world governing body Fifa has already said it would not recognise such a competition and any players involved in it would be denied the chance to play at a World Cup. Serie A have called an emergency board meeting to discuss the matter. The Football Supporters' Association said it is "totally opposed" to the plans, which it said were "motivated by nothing but cynical greed". They added: "This competition is being created behind our backs by billionaire club owners who have zero regard for the game's traditions and continue to treat football as their personal fiefdom." It has been agreed the new-look Champions League will involve an initial phase where every club plays 10 matches each rather than the current group phase. In addition there would be play-offs, followed by a knockout phase. The most controversial aspect of the proposals surround the allocation of the four additional places, with two being reserved for the clubs ranked highest in Uefa's co-efficient table who fail to qualify for the Champions League through their domestic competition, but do secure some kind of European football. At the moment, Liverpool and Chelsea would be the clubs who benefited from that system if it was in place this season. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56794673
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 18:09:32 GMT 1
Common abbreviation for ‘Tottenham Hotspur’. Fair enough that exkeeper used it in my view, it’s pretty widely accepted. Sorry it was more of a sarcastic jibe as to why Spurs are considered a top 6 team 👍
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 18, 2021 18:21:27 GMT 1
I realised that immediately mate.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 18, 2021 18:27:17 GMT 1
Bye bye, wont fooook off soon enough for me. Leaves the rest of normal clubs (us included) to get on with the real football. They have talked about it long enough, let's get it done now. Our problem is that the Premier League would be severely downgraded in the eyes of the almighty Sky and subsequently any financial loyalty rewards that drip down to us and little clubs like Wrexham would become almost worthless. All the rich pickings would go to a few, selfish, greedy clubs and their mostly foreign owners.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 18:28:48 GMT 1
Just seen on Twitter that there will be an announcement tonight on a breakaway league, comprising 6 English, 3 Spanish and 3 Italian clubs. PSG and Bayern have rejected their invitation “for now”. All hell is breaking loose with UEFA,, the National FAs, The Premier League, La Liga and Serie A all making threats about banning participating clubs from all their competitions and players from representing their countries. The clubs named are Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs from England plus Barcelona, Atletico and Real Madridf from Spain and AC and Inter from Milan and finally Juventus. Greed as always motivates illogical decisions. Fans groups from invited clubs do not appear to favour the idea. I didn't even realise Real Madrid had an F team
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Post by Scarecrow on Apr 18, 2021 18:30:03 GMT 1
Agree with Gary Neville. Points deductions and suspensions from the champions league might be a temporary solution.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 18, 2021 18:38:10 GMT 1
Not so sure about point deductions and the like but I think he has it right here...
If they go, and it looks like they are ready to do so, then the leagues and UEFA need to stand their ground and expel them from domestic and UEFA competitions. That is a must. There is no way they should be able to compete in whatever league or cup competition they are currently participating in. For one thing, with the money they will make from this they would have a huge financial advantage over others...even more so than they enjoy now. It would be crazy.
No idea what PSG will do but you just get the feeling that Bayern won't be joining this. I think the structure of football here in Germany would see that blocked (even if they did want to join...which I doubt).
It will be interesting to see what happens for sure.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 18, 2021 19:19:12 GMT 1
The way forward is obviously our own Super League:
Hereford Crewe Chester Telford Wexscum Stockport. Town reserves Stafford Rangers Solihull Moors
Anyone I missed?
Games all sold out ... obviously !
Coybs
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 18, 2021 19:23:13 GMT 1
The way forward is obviously our own Super League: Hereford Crewe Chester Telford Wexscum Town reserves Stafford Rangers Solihull Moors Anyone I missed? Coybs Another former League club - Kidderminster.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 18, 2021 19:30:10 GMT 1
The way forward is obviously our own Super League: Hereford Crewe Chester Telford Wexscum Town reserves Stafford Rangers Solihull Moors Anyone I missed? Coybs Another former League club - Kidderminster. Yep, good spot exkeeper! Crickey, the grounds will be rocking!!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 19:41:59 GMT 1
I suggest we name this league the English Border League
EBL for short
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 18, 2021 19:48:59 GMT 1
No need for location explanation ... everyone will know this is the league they want to be in and one they would love to win!
Am on to the TV rights as I speak. Payola folks !
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 18, 2021 19:56:28 GMT 1
Not so sure about point deductions and the like but I think he has it right here... If they go, and it looks like they are ready to do so, then the leagues and UEFA need to stand their ground and expel them from domestic and UEFA competitions. That is a must. There is no way they should be able to compete in whatever league or cup competition they are currently participating in. For one thing, with the money they will make from this they would have a huge financial advantage over others...even more so than they enjoy now. It would be crazy. No idea what PSG will do but you just get the feeling that Bayern won't be joining this. I think the structure of football here in Germany would see that blocked (even if they did want to join...which I doubt). It will be interesting to see what happens for sure. Gary Neville has it right... those clubs should be owned by the folks of the cities, not anyone but them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 20:00:16 GMT 1
Interesting what the National team selection will look like? and what the UEFA European Championship or the World cup, would look like? Surely it suits the smaller countries who's player aren't quite as good enough to get in the top 36 clubs would benefit, yes it would lower the standard but i would still be supporting England regardless of the standard.
Players have now got to choose money vs the National team, I am sure the players money would be pretty good at UK top flight level 40k per week, yeah there will be 200k a week in the Super league is it not time we started to cut players salaries?
How would this affect us? yes we would get less money but all the clubs would and the wages we pay would reflect that.
I know its a short career but how many 90's footballers are in the same position? For me its just get your head around you play football for the love of the game like the good old days. Football games would be be put on main stream TV and Sky would get the Super league.
I know how many Man U fans and Liverpool who laugh at me being a lower league fan they just don't understand until I say look what we produced in Hart and Edwards then they realise that some players come from the lower leagues. What you got to think that the Liverpool and Man U youth team will have no access to loan out the players to the lower league teams which means they have got to blood them or buy them at inflated prices from the likes of us. I don't think we will end up like the Welsh Premier league, there are too many big clubs who wont be involved for this to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 20:14:28 GMT 1
So is the idea that this bunch are going to play themselves over and over? Surely get boring pretty quick?
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Post by champagneprince on Apr 18, 2021 20:22:49 GMT 1
I can't believe that Wrexham haven't been asked to sign up for it. Notorious will be disappointed.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 18, 2021 20:27:36 GMT 1
Not so sure about point deductions and the like but I think he has it right here... If they go, and it looks like they are ready to do so, then the leagues and UEFA need to stand their ground and expel them from domestic and UEFA competitions. That is a must. There is no way they should be able to compete in whatever league or cup competition they are currently participating in. For one thing, with the money they will make from this they would have a huge financial advantage over others...even more so than they enjoy now. It would be crazy. No idea what PSG will do but you just get the feeling that Bayern won't be joining this. I think the structure of football here in Germany would see that blocked (even if they did want to join...which I doubt). It will be interesting to see what happens for sure. Centrist dad waking up to the neoliberal dominance of offshore wealth. Welcome aboard Gary.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 18, 2021 20:29:01 GMT 1
What would an England squad look like without any players from these clubs?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 18, 2021 20:33:07 GMT 1
I can't believe that Wrexham haven't been asked to sign up for it. Notorious will be disappointed. are we actually mocking a club that took our place in the European cup winners cup and knocked Porto out on the back of it ? we'll be mocking doncaster for being lumbered with Fejiri next
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 18, 2021 20:37:34 GMT 1
As said earlier, this is just leverage for a more lucrative cut of the tv money.
If I was a player, I would be livid if I couldn't play for any trophy or for my country. The players would never let this happen. And it's clearly only for money reasons so it's just a bargaining chip.
If it did happen somehow, I would not watch it. I don't think many would after the honeymoon period. The greed involved is disgusting...
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 18, 2021 20:40:14 GMT 1
Big money in Prem = diving / cheating
Mega money in Euro League = ?
Complete the sentence.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 18, 2021 20:46:48 GMT 1
So is the idea that this bunch are going to play themselves over and over? Surely get boring pretty quick? You'd think that but the popularity of the Champions League is enduring, the latter stages of which tend to be the same faces over and over. If the various leagues play this right it could actually be a net benefit but doubtlessly they will just roll over and let these guys have whatever cut of the TV rights they want to stay.
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