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Post by martinshrew on Feb 26, 2021 9:36:02 GMT 1
To address your question, I must ask whether what you suggest is a verifiable "fact" or merely something gleaned from your normal reading material... As to the Labour Party, your description of Sir Keir Starmer as conducting a "neo-Liberal experiment" is, I assume, a joke, the notion in your mind being that he is insufficiently left-facing, and therefore impure...... I have deep admiration for people who can laugh at themselves.... You appear to harbour the rather touching dream that, provided that Labour moves further to the left, and continues its flirtation with CRT and wokeness, that everything in the Labour garden will be blooming for everyone's benefit..... Well, as I have said on another thread, as football fans, we are entitled to our dreams, and I do not begrudge you yours, poor misguided sap 🤣. You are, however bang-on as regards Sir Keir's limitations! I do not want Labour to move further to the left, I don't think that's possible.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 26, 2021 9:52:45 GMT 1
I do not want Labour to move further to the left, I don't think that's possible. Have you seen the current so-called leadership of the Labour party? If that is what you call too far left I wonder how far to the right you are.
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Feb 26, 2021 11:45:51 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2021 11:45:51 GMT 1
In general terms you are quite right, but to even hint at some sort of equivalence, avoids confronting the fact that this nonsense has gained much more traction in recent times, and much more than right-wing extremism ever has done in the past (Grand Wizards of the KKK in classrooms?), and therefore constitutes a "clear and PRESENT danger, as I suggested above. People are dying are they? Or offering the potential for violence? Only you wants to reduce this to such a single issue, and I fully understand why - because then you can cite any number of purportedly even-handed publications and "research" derived therefrom, in order to "justify" your opinion - you can play that game with someone more gullible, but not me. As you well know, my argument against CRT in particular, and wokeness in general, is that it inserts its racist divisive poison into society so insidiously, and, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't (yet) provoke death and violence directly, escapes proper analysis, and is much more dangerous in the medium- to long-term. If you can't recognise that, I can only assume that you don't WANT to, and you support these crackpot notions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 12:54:17 GMT 1
People are dying are they? Or offering the potential for violence? Only you wants to reduce this to such a single issue, and I fully understand why - because then you can cite any number of purportedly even-handed publications and "research" derived therefrom, in order to "justify" your opinion - you can play that game with someone more gullible, but not me. As you well know, my argument against CRT in particular, and wokeness in general, is that it inserts its racist divisive poison into society so insidiously, and, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't (yet) provoke death and violence directly, escapes proper analysis, and is much more dangerous in the medium- to long-term. If you can't recognise that, I can only assume that you don't WANT to, and you support these crackpot notions. There you go with the gaslighting again. What a deeply unpleasant individual you are.
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Feb 26, 2021 13:11:33 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2021 13:11:33 GMT 1
Only you wants to reduce this to such a single issue, and I fully understand why - because then you can cite any number of purportedly even-handed publications and "research" derived therefrom, in order to "justify" your opinion - you can play that game with someone more gullible, but not me. As you well know, my argument against CRT in particular, and wokeness in general, is that it inserts its racist divisive poison into society so insidiously, and, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't (yet) provoke death and violence directly, escapes proper analysis, and is much more dangerous in the medium- to long-term. If you can't recognise that, I can only assume that you don't WANT to, and you support these crackpot notions. There you go with the gaslighting again. What a deeply unpleasant individual you are. I had to Google "gaslighting" to learn its meaning, but its relevance escapes me.. in light of the fact that the accusation comes from YOU, I think its safe to deny it, for what it's worth. It may be better to address the matters at hand, rather than throw around accusations, meaningless though they may be. Specifically on the issue of "gaslighting" where in my post do I try to get you to question your sanity - I only, posited my point of view in contrast to yours.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 26, 2021 19:16:05 GMT 1
Not sure how we got from Harris to the Labour Party. I've read a few things over the years by Harris's dad. Interesting stuff. Not unassociated with my profile pic. excuse my ignorance if i should know who the chap is in your avatar, but i dont im presuming the photo is very old and if it is it then whoever it is deserves a mention as he looks very modern in his clothing and haircut, quite dapper i always presumed it was your grandad or someone lol, soz if im way off You've got the dapper bit quite right. But he was Italian. What you could do Pilch is do an internet search for Harris' dad and then infer backwards. Wikipedia name-drops the guy on Donald Harris's page.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 26, 2021 19:20:20 GMT 1
The racist divisive poison is already in society it wasn't created by critical race theory.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2021 19:26:26 GMT 1
excuse my ignorance if i should know who the chap is in your avatar, but i dont im presuming the photo is very old and if it is it then whoever it is deserves a mention as he looks very modern in his clothing and haircut, quite dapper i always presumed it was your grandad or someone lol, soz if im way off You've got the dapper bit quite right. But he was Italian. What you could do Pilch is do an internet search for Harris' dad and then infer backwards. Wikipedia name-drops the guy on Donald Harris's page. i did actually do a research image search on tin eye and google and got no hits, so just asked instead
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 20:31:37 GMT 1
There you go with the gaslighting again. What a deeply unpleasant individual you are. I had to Google "gaslighting" to learn its meaning, but its relevance escapes me.. in light of the fact that the accusation comes from YOU, I think its safe to deny it, for what it's worth. It may be better to address the matters at hand, rather than throw around accusations, meaningless though they may be. Specifically on the issue of "gaslighting" where in my post do I try to get you to question your sanity - I only, posited my point of view in contrast to yours. I support these crackpot notions apparently. What I'm actually doing is being open to new ideas and thoughts. You're not fine, but no need to call them crackpot, because you don't agree them. And I stand by comment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 20:32:28 GMT 1
The racist divisive poison is already in society it wasn't created by critical race theory. Indeed, which is sort of the point, missed by some.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2021 22:06:37 GMT 1
I had to Google "gaslighting" to learn its meaning, but its relevance escapes me.. in light of the fact that the accusation comes from YOU, I think its safe to deny it, for what it's worth. It may be better to address the matters at hand, rather than throw around accusations, meaningless though they may be. Specifically on the issue of "gaslighting" where in my post do I try to get you to question your sanity - I only, posited my point of view in contrast to yours. I support these crackpot notions apparently. What I'm actually doing is being open to new ideas and thoughts. You're not fine, but no need to call them crackpot, because you don't agree them. And I stand by comment. Oh, all right then - having carried out due diligence, are you able to to confirm or deny that you subscribe to CRT. By the way, I too stand by my description of CRT, and I need no extra research to confirm that it would be beyond laughable if it weren't so racist and dangerous.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:20:12 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2021 22:20:12 GMT 1
The racist divisive poison is already in society it wasn't created by critical race theory. Indeed, which is sort of the point, missed by some. Whoever suggested it was? It exacerbates it grossly, and is therefore divisive, by setting people against each other purely on the basis of skin pigmentation - if you can't see that, you are a fool, and you won't reduce me to that level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 7:32:22 GMT 1
Indeed, which is sort of the point, missed by some. Whoever suggested it was? It exacerbates it grossly, and is therefore divisive, by setting people against each other purely on the basis of skin pigmentation - if you can't see that, you are a fool, and you won't reduce me to that level. Lol. Won't be reduced to my level and yet here you with the slurs again. Lol Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2021 9:50:39 GMT 1
The racist divisive poison is already in society it wasn't created by critical race theory. That kinda comes across as racism is out there anyhow so hows about some more racism. To tackle racism. In the workplace, in universities, in schools.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2021 9:57:36 GMT 1
Indeed, which is sort of the point, missed by some. Whoever suggested it was? It exacerbates it grossly, and is therefore divisive, by setting people against each other purely on the basis of skin pigmentation - if you can't see that, you are a fool, and you won't reduce me to that level. I think you are wasting your time. Its seems we are now at the stage that because racism exists, racism should be permitted. I think I've read that right anyhow.
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Feb 27, 2021 10:38:59 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 27, 2021 10:38:59 GMT 1
Whoever suggested it was? It exacerbates it grossly, and is therefore divisive, by setting people against each other purely on the basis of skin pigmentation - if you can't see that, you are a fool, and you won't reduce me to that level. Lol. Won't be reduced to my level and yet here you with the slurs again. Lol Thanks for the laugh. No worries - I try to please🤣🤣🤣
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Feb 27, 2021 10:46:09 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 27, 2021 10:46:09 GMT 1
Whoever suggested it was? It exacerbates it grossly, and is therefore divisive, by setting people against each other purely on the basis of skin pigmentation - if you can't see that, you are a fool, and you won't reduce me to that level. Lol. Won't be reduced to my level and yet here you with the slurs again. Lol Thanks for the laugh. By the way, my calling you a fool, was conditional upon your failure to accept my point (note the use of "if"; if you are, in fact, prepared to accept it, I gladly withdraw the comment, with deepest apologies!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 1, 2021 13:05:41 GMT 1
The racist divisive poison is already in society it wasn't created by critical race theory. That kinda comes across as racism is out there anyhow so hows about some more racism. To tackle racism. In the workplace, in universities, in schools. No. The racism is out there so let's point it and its impact.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 1, 2021 14:24:42 GMT 1
Racisim is wrong, bigotery based on a persons sexuality and gender identity is wrong, inequality because of your sex is wrong, intolerance of somone based on there faith is wrong or not having a faith is wrong and there are many forms of persecution/intolerance through the world which are equally wrong, use of technology to troll someone / bully them is wrong. many children are bullied at school . many people cary the harm all of this does to them in there head it infuences how they think, behave and view the world and the people around them and causes a lot of psycholgical harm, it impacts on the society we live in.
for me what is sadly lacking in our world is a lack of compassion and acceptance ,i stronly belive compassion should be taught in school from primary school up through the entire education system. it costs very little to set up and it has a profound effect were it is implemented.
Professor Paul Gilbert devloped this aprroach using a secular approach from buddist psychology
The Compassionate Mind Foundation was founded as an international charity in 2006 by Professor Paul Gilbert and colleagues including Drs Deborah Lee, Mary Welford, Chris Irons, Ken Goss, Ian Lowens, Chris Gillespie, Mrs Diane Woollands, Mrs Jean Gilbert and other supporters.
"The Compassionate Mind Foundation promotes an evolution and neuroscience informed approach to compassion which now forms the basis of a psychotherapy (Compassion Focused Therapy) and Compassionate Mind Training. The last 10 years have seen an expanding evidence base for both the therapy and Compassionate Mind Training for the alleviation of mental health difficulties and promoting wellbeing. It is now being used internationally in hospitals, prisons, schools and businesses. One of the greatest challenges facing humanity is how to stimulate compassion ways of thinking and problem solving for the benefit of all."
EDUCATING THE HEART 'My hope is that, one day, formal education will pay attention to what I call education of the heart. Just as we take for granted the need to acquire proficiency in the basic academic subjects, I am hopeful that a time will come when we can take it for granted that children will learn, as part of their school curriculum, the indispensability of inner values such as love, compassion, justice and forgiveness.' His holiness the Dalai Lama The Wisdom of Compassion with Victor Chan, Bantam press 2012
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 14:55:38 GMT 1
excuse my ignorance if i should know who the chap is in your avatar, but i dont im presuming the photo is very old and if it is it then whoever it is deserves a mention as he looks very modern in his clothing and haircut, quite dapper i always presumed it was your grandad or someone lol, soz if im way off You've got the dapper bit quite right. But he was Italian. What you could do Pilch is do an internet search for Harris' dad and then infer backwards. Wikipedia name-drops the guy on Donald Harris's page. Isn't that Piero Sraffa, who was an Italian economist. Would have thought everyone knew that.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2021 16:45:09 GMT 1
That kinda comes across as racism is out there anyhow so hows about some more racism. To tackle racism. In the workplace, in universities, in schools. No. The racism is out there so let's point it and its impact. Deploying racism to do so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Its a no for me that.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 1, 2021 18:51:58 GMT 1
No. The racism is out there so let's point it and its impact. Deploying racism to do so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Its a no for me that. No Deploying an analytical framework borrowed from critical legal theory. Like how a mechanic isn't a car.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 1, 2021 18:52:57 GMT 1
You've got the dapper bit quite right. But he was Italian. What you could do Pilch is do an internet search for Harris' dad and then infer backwards. Wikipedia name-drops the guy on Donald Harris's page. Isn't that Piero Sraffa, who was an Italian economist. Would have thought everyone knew that. It is high time he had a thread of his own on here.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2021 9:06:49 GMT 1
Deploying racism to do so. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Its a no for me that. No Deploying an analytical framework borrowed from critical legal theory. Like how a mechanic isn't a car. Each to their own. If you think what we are seeing (looking to what is being reported, looking to those links I provided above) is acceptable, needed, desirable or whatever, then of course that's on you, but plenty of us see it for what it is and its racism dressed as antiracism. This... ...isn't right. This should not be acceptable in the workplace, higher education and certainly not schools. That some deem it is.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 2, 2021 13:14:57 GMT 1
Very good see the positive comments from the US President and Vice President about the imprtance of workers being able to organise unions without employer intimidation. Trade unions are an important mechanism for making the economy and society function in a better way.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 2, 2021 13:17:01 GMT 1
It isn't what we don't know that harms us but the stuff we think is so that just isn't.
One of the problems in recent years is that cars have started thinking they are mechanics. This is one reason why my two cars have a combined age of 42 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 9:18:42 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/education/2020/nov/13/education-experts-counter-government-attack-on-critical-race-theoryBit old, but interesting no the less. www.uvm.edu/~vtconn/v31/Hiraldo.pdfWhat CRT actually is and how it can be, and, should used. Really, it's about grown up and hard conversations and not whataboutary, which detract from the actual issues. Whether there's a place in the UK for this, I don't know, but listening to the stories of the young people I mentor, probably. However, in the context of the US, absolutely.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 10, 2021 10:48:55 GMT 1
Biden now going after offshored profits. The plan is less than the electoral rhetoric and the outcome will be less than the plan but it's something in view of the lack of efficacy of Trump's tax cuts. I think all governments should look at the way that capital gains and different income streams are differentially taxed. NBC News
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2021 12:28:38 GMT 1
Very good see the positive comments from the US President and Vice President about the imprtance of workers being able to organise unions without employer intimidation. Trade unions are an important mechanism for making the economy and society function in a better way. As long as the members actually participate and don't let their union become a corrupt power in itself. I don't profess to know American history, but the word "Teamsters" comes to mind.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2021 17:11:31 GMT 1
Biden now going after offshored profits. The plan is less than the electoral rhetoric and the outcome will be less than the plan but it's something in view of the lack of efficacy of Trump's tax cuts. I think all governments should look at the way that capital gains and different income streams are differentially taxed. NBC Newsthat wont go down well with the big companies who supported him
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